Originally posted by The Phantom
I'm not reading those. Are those agreements or not? Screw it I'm going mutual on the subject! That way I'm not wrong!
The links are a page someone has created, where they use quotes from the half-blood prince to support the idea that A) Dumbledore is not dead B) Dumbledore planned out his death scene with Snape C) Snape's Innocent.
I'm not sure if he is dead or not it has good and bad potential for the book seven storyline either way 🙂
http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview.shtml
there is an interview with jkr herself bout some stuff and i think that it is in part two that says "the hero always must go on alone"
like in book 1 how hermione coulda come with him but harry told her not to and he had to go on alone
Im kind of on the side that Dumbledore is actually really dead. But one part still confuses me, Why were Dumbledore and Snape arguing. Dumbledore was telling him there was something he had to do, and Snape didnt want to do it. Maybe dumbledore ordered snape to kill him so snape could continue to be the Dark Lords most trusted servant? i know it sounds strange and stupid, but im confuzzled. And yeah, why would Dumbledore plead for his life? Maybe he was pleading with him to do what he needed to do for the plan to be carried out.
Originally posted by willRules
http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/dumbledoreclues.html
The guy is so desperate for Dumbledore to be alive that he pulls Excuses out of nowhere, and puts them In ways that make everyone believe them.
Take this for Example:
Harry and Dumbledore are up on the top of the tower underneath the Dark Mark. Harry is wearing his invisibility cloak, Dumbledore ordered him to put it on before they mounted their brooms to ride to the top of the tower. Harry hears footsteps and looks around, but Dumbledore orders him with a gesture to retreat.
Harry draws his wand and backs away:The door burst open and somebody erupted through it and shouted, "Expelliarmus!" Harry's body became instantly rigid and immobile, and he felt himself fall back against the tower wall, propped like an unsteady statue, unable to move or speak.(HBP pg 584/545)
It's interesting to note that things are happening so fast, even Harry is momentarily confused:
He could not understand how it happened -- Expelliarmus was not a Freezing Charm -- Then, by the light of the Mark, he saw Dumbledore's wand flying in an arc over the edge of the ramparts and understood... Dumbledore had wordlessly immobilzed Harry, and the second he had taken to perform this spell had cost him the chance of defending himself. (HBP pg 584/545)
Why did Dumbledore freeze Harry? Harry was already invisible to their attackers and in no danger.
The only explanation could be that Dumbledore already knew, had already planned, that he would die this night (or appear to die), and not only did he not want Harry to become involved and possibly be injured himself, he needed Harry to be a witness, to be able to tell everyone else what happened.
Also:
While Dumbledore is trying to talk Draco out of killing him, Dumbledore proposes an interesting way out for Draco:"I can help you, Draco." "No, you can't," said Malfoy, his wand shaking very badly indeed. "Nobody can. He told me to do it or he'd kill me. I've got no choice." "He cannot kill you if you are already dead. Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine." (HBP pg 591/552)
Dumbledore then offers to expand his mother in the protection, and even Lucius when he gets out of Azkaban.
This is very interesting, isn't it? Draco doesn't take him up on it, but Dumbledore is saying he has ways that could make it appear that Draco died when he really hadn't. Doesn't that sound exactly like what we suspect that Dumbledore has planned for himself?
We've seen Fawkes come in at the last moment and save Harry's life in Chamber of Secrets:As Harry trembled, ready to close his eyes if it turned, he saw what had distracted the snake. Fawkes was soaring around its head, and the basilisk was snapping furiously at him with fangs long and thin as sabers -- Fawkes dived. His long golden beak sunk out of sight and a sudden shower of dark blood spattered the floor. (CoS pg 318/234)
And he also saved Dumbledore in Order of the Phoenix:
... one more jet of green light had flown at Dumbledore from Voldemort's wand and the snake had struck -- Fawkes swooped down in front of Dumbledore, opened his beak wide, and swallowed the jet of green light whole. He burst into flame and fell to the floor, small, wrinkled and flightless. (OotP pg 814/719)
We know Fawkes was nearby the tower, as he shows up after Dumbledore's "death". So, why didn't Fawkes come to save Dumbledore this time?
I think the fact that he didn't makes it possible to believe that Dumbledore didn't want his life to be saved, and this supports the theory that it was Dumbledore's plan all along to "die" up on that tower that night.
The whole "Avada Kedarva doesn't make you fly back!" argument makes no sense. Who ever said spells do exactly the same thing every time? His nonverbal spell thing contradicts him here- Who says none of the other Death Eaters there didn't blast him off at the same time?
Several times in the course of the Harry Potter books, J.K. has told us that the Avada Kedavra is not a curse you can make lightly.In Goblet of Fire, the fake Mad Eye Moody tells his DADA class:
"Avada Kedavra's a curse that needs a powerful bit of magic behind it -- you could all get your wands out now and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I'd get so much as a nosebleed." (GoF pg 217/192)And in Order of the Phoenix, we learn more about Avada Kedavra when Harry tries to curse Bellatrix:
Hatred rose in Harry such that he had never known before. He flung himself out from behind the fountain and bellowed "Crucio!" Bellatrix screamed. The spell had knocked her off her feet, but she did not writhe or shriek with pain as Neville had -- she was already on her feet again ... "Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy?" she yelled. "You need to mean them, Potter! You need to really want to cause pain -- to enjoy it ..." (OotP pg 810/715)
If Snape was really working on Dumbledore's orders to make it look to the world as if Snape had killed him, even if he had used the real Avada Kedavra, if he had not really meant it, if he really didn't want to kill Dumbledore, then isn't it possible that the curse didn't kill Dumbledore, but only injured him badly?
From these passages, it certainly seems that J.K. wants us to know that Fawkes is doing some healing! Perhaps Fawkes is not powerful enough to bring someone back from the Avada Kedavra, but what if Dumbledore was not really hit by an Avada Kedrava, and instead hit with half a spell, or a spell to make him appear dead (as explained in the clues above)?
(I don't really believe Fawkes was attacked, I'm just saying that for the sake of Argument.)
Dumbledore's wand was lying on the tower still. Does J.K. mention Harry's wand when he's eating Lunch? You just don't talk about things that aren't important at that time.
The last time we really saw Dumbledore's body was when Harry is kneeling over it shortly after he has been killed by Snape the previous day.Now, we see Hagrid carry the body of Dumbledore into his funeral, but it's covered:
Hagrid was walking slowly up the aisle between the chairs. He was crying quite silently, his face gleaming with tears, and in his arms, wrapped in purple velvet spangled with golden stars, was what Harry knew to be Dumbledore's body. (HBP pg 643/599)
We never really see Dumbledore's body at the funeral. How do we know it was there at all?
As part of the funeral service, a fire ignites around the body of Dumbledore, and when it subsides, his body is encased in a white marble tomb.Again, we don't see the body, either before or after the fire.But more importantly, no one lights the fire, it just happens on its own. A body bursting into flame on its own. That sound like anyone we know? We've seen Fawkes do that several times now in the course of the Harry Potter books, and you know what happens to Fawkes after every time it does.
You're poking into something you know nothing about. Perhaps all Wizard Funerals happen like this. Perhaps it's something special for Dumbledore?
And, there you have it. I've just prove how each of those can be wrong.
... I'm bored. ermm
Wasn it strange that dumbledore seemed so calm about harry's story about snape arguing with Draco of Voldemorts plan? like snape had already told him? and why is it exactly that jk rowling dedicated the title to snape and the chapter where he made the umbreakable vow. its obvious that hes a double agent and that dumbledore isnt dead. There is also the time where hagrid told harry that he saw dumbledore and snape arguing and snape disagreed. snape would have not told dumbledore about the plan if he really did want him dead. he needed to seem like he killed him cause he had no other choice, he made an unbreakable vow.
Originally posted by jg unit
Wasn it strange that dumbledore seemed so calm about harry's story about snape arguing with Draco of Voldemorts plan? like snape had already told him? and why is it exactly that jk rowling dedicated the title to snape and the chapter where he made the umbreakable vow. its obvious that hes a double agent and that dumbledore isnt dead. There is also the time where hagrid told harry that he saw dumbledore and snape arguing and snape disagreed. snape would have not told dumbledore about the plan if he really did want him dead. he needed to seem like he killed him cause he had no other choice, he made an unbreakable vow.
Originally posted by jg unit
I MEAN IS
Originally posted by jg unit
I AM 100% SURE THAT DUMBLEDORE IS ALIVE.
HE WAS WAY TOO WISE TO NOT HAVE SEEN THAT COMING
Originally posted by jg unit
i guess we will see who is right when the final book comes out
Oh, and dumbledore's dead.