Originally posted by SoljerThose dozens of people are all oblivious of the fact that Wolverine wins this fight by simply landing 1 strike. Cap can pound on Wolverine for a week straight and it wont matter.
Obviously you say? Tell that to the dozens of people that agree that Ultimate Cap wins the match.Obvious, hm? 😬.
Ult. Cap can't take Ult. Wolvy straight up. Therefor 616 Wolvy kills him.
And since when has it been assumed that Ult. Cap can't take on Ult. Wolverine in a fair fight? So he got the drop on Ult. Wolverine twice, Ult. Cap is not some douchebag with an inferiority complex who needs to beat people in straight up fights to feel like a man. If he can take someone down quick, he'll do it.
Seriously, I hate appreciating this version of Cap more than good ole 616 Cap, but Ult. Cap is a beast and a half. His tactical skills are off the charts considering how he's been able to take down Ult. Hulk, Ult. Thor and create counterattacks against an alien armada and the enforcers. He's beaten people straight up and with psychology. He messed around with Ult. Wolvie's head in 'Ultimate War' and with the Russian Supersoldier in 'Ultimate Nightmare.' He's extremely well equipped and able to utilize all sorts of weapons. Guys not afraid to use a jet into Ult. Skrull in 'Ultimates Vol 1' or use an advanced taser against Ult. Silver Surfer in 'Ultimate Extinction.' I really do think his utter asskicking ability is highly underestimated by people in these forums.
And Ult. Cap can take shots from 100 tonners too. Looks like he can do it pretty darn well in the following shot, considering he got up the next moment to fight Abdul. This is after SHIELD beat the crap out of him, drugged his ass up and he fought his way through dozens of Perun clones and Liberator footsoldiers. BTW, those Liberator footsoldiers sent the Statue of Liberty into the sea with their bare hands, just to give you an idea of how strong their combined might is.
Just look at this shot. That's a direct doublefist pound by Ult. Abomination with no shield. You can't even roll with a blow like that:
Originally posted by capt it up
helion also not every trained and extremely cocky. he makes mistakes like that all the time. also who said he had trouble? he simply had a sword thrown at him.
Mistakes like that all the time?!? 🤨
Its quite obvious you dont read New X-Men
He was fighting Nimrod and just tapped into his true power which puts him at power levels next to Magneto 😉
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Once I could forgive, but twice is ducking a fight. If I am confident I can kick someone's butt I dont take a weapon to the fight, or sneak in an attack when they are otherwise occupied. You only do that if you have doubts about your own ability.
And since when has it been assumed that Ult. Cap can't take on Ult. Wolverine in a fair fight? So he got the drop on Ult. Wolverine twice, Ult. Cap is not some douchebag with an inferiority complex who needs to beat people in straight up fights to feel like a man. If he can take someone down quick, he'll do it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Oh yeah, he's a tactical genius all right. He tried to fight Hulk hand 2 hand (stupid), he took down Thor by having every super soldier on the planet glomp the poor guy (No a dogpile is not tactical brilliance), and they took down the alien invasion by throwing the Hulk at the problem. (Yeah it takes a Doom level intelligence to come up with that plan.)
His tactical skills are off the charts considering how he's been able to take down Ult. Hulk, Ult. Thor and create counterattacks against an alien armada and the enforcers.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Which just makes me laugh my ass off. Millar has somehow given Captain America at least level 6 superhuman durability even though his bio has him below Wolverine in durability, he's not bulletproof, has no unbreakable skeleton, has no forcefield, and he does not have even an Ult. Wolvy level healing factor. How much does Millar love Cap? Let me count the ways...
And Ult. Cap can take shots from 100 tonners too.
Regardless, taking blunt force from Abomination (Who doesn't look to be anywhere near Hulk's level in the Ultimate Universe) still doesn't negate the fact that the guy is going down after 1 or 2 adamantium claw strikes. When Millar decides to give Cap the ability to regenerate his heart, lungs, or brain in 5 seconds, then this might change, but not until then.
Originally posted by riceroostUlt. Abomination was Hulk's equal in strength and was overwhelming him at the start of the fight. Only problem was that Ult. Abomination could not match Hulk's self augmenting strength. But at the beginning of the fight, you see that Hulk is throwing around them big ole Crimson Dynamos (easily 20 tons each) with one hand. I might be able to toss around a 20 lbs dumbell, but give me good footing and both my arms and I can bench, squat, dead lift, pull down 100 lbs quite easily. Even assuming Ult. Abomination ultimately proved weaker than Ult. Hulk doesn't undo the simple logic that he was easily a 100 tonner.
How much does Millar love Cap? Let me count the ways...Regardless, taking blunt force from Abomination (Who doesn't look to be anywhere near Hulk's level in the Ultimate Universe) still doesn't negate the fact that the guy is going down after 1 or 2 adamantium claw strikes. When Millar decides to give Cap the ability to regenerate his heart, lungs, or brain in 5 seconds, then this might change, but not until then.
BTW, since when have we seen that Ult. Cap isn't bulletproof? I mean, nobody's been able to tag him yet. Yes, Millar loves Ult. Cap, but that doesn't change the fact that if that's the way he's written, that's how he'll perform against Wolvie.
Lastly, those were honestly funny retorts on his tactics. But he accomplished a lot more in those instances than what you decided to highlight for humor's sake. He's used psycology and weapons more often than you think. And while you may think it simple, he totally played Ult. Hulk three times, messed with Ult. Wolvie's head, distracted the Russian supersoldier and nixed Ult. Silver Surfer with a taser. Just look at Ultimates #8. Did you see what SHIELD had to do to take Ult. Cap down? They sneak attacked him when he had no equipment or warning, while worried for Bucky's safety, pumped him full of tranquilizers, used dozens of SHIELD supersoldiers and fully equipped Marines and Mandroids on him. That is a feat clearly on Wolvie's level. You can't argue that. And if you think its not, than I'm just arguing with an Ult. Cap hater or a Wolvie fanboy who refuses to think that anybody can do what Wolvie does.
Maybe I'll just write a 'OneDumbG0 version of the fight' to illustrate what I think Ult. Cap could actually do to take Wolvie down because its obvious you can't even begin to fathom how Ult. Cap could take Wolverine down.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Go ahead. It'll be a funny read to me. You'll somehow have Wolverine completely unable to land even a single solid blow against Cap, while Cap will use Level 7 superspeed to pummel Wolverine 400 times in 1 minute and Cap tells War Stories to Logan to soften him up for the killing blow, which somehow KO's Wolverine because Cap suddenly has Level 7 strength too. Here's my version of the fight.
Maybe I'll just write a 'OneDumbG0 version of the fight' to illustrate what I think Ult. Cap could actually do to take Wolvie down because its obvious you can't even begin to fathom how Ult. Cap could take Wolverine down.
Cap: Says some rediculous John Wayne dialogue.
They fight.
Within the first 60 seconds Wolverine manages to land a crippling blow by hitting Cap once.
Cap: Says some more John Wayne dialogue to try and act tough.
Wolverine laughs and says: "Yeah the Duke is good, but I was always a little more of a Clint Eastwood fan."
Cap spits at Logan because Ultiamte Cap is a hard-ass like that.
Cap: "Dont you know who I am??? I am god damned Captain America you #$%@*&!er!!!!! You can't kill me!"
Wolverine wipes the loogie off his face, while wondering where exactly Cap gets all his strange dialogue.
Cap gets impaled through the chest and face several times.
Originally posted by riceroost
Go ahead. It'll be a funny read to me. You'll somehow have Wolverine completely unable to land even a single solid blow against Cap, while Cap will use Level 7 superspeed to pummel Wolverine 400 times in 1 minute and Cap tells War Stories to Logan to soften him up for the killing blow, which somehow KO's Wolverine because Cap suddenly has Level 7 strength too. Here's my version of the fight.Cap: Says some rediculous John Wayne dialogue.
They fight.
Within the first 60 seconds Wolverine manages to land a crippling blow by hitting Cap once.
Cap: Says some more John Wayne dialogue to try and act tough.
Wolverine laughs and says: "Yeah the Duke is good, but I was always a little more of a Clint Eastwood fan."
Cap spits at Logan because Ultiamte Cap is a hard-ass like that.
Cap: "Dont you know who I am??? I am god damned Captain America you #$%@*&!er!!!!! You can't kill me!"
Wolverine wipes the loogie off his face, while wondering where exactly Cap gets all his strange dialogue.
Cap gets impaled through the chest and face several times.
I agree with your version on the fight
That was hilarious, but in all honesty he's got an excellent point.
If these two go at it they will land roughly even number of blows against one another. And even given Ultimate Cap's strength enhancements his blows are still at best only going to have a 10% damage effect on Wolverine at best, while Logan's single blows will deal out 40% initially.
As the fight wears on the damage Cap dealt Logan will quickly lessen down to 5% per blow, but the blows Logan lands will worsen from bloodloss to 50% on Cap.
Logically Cap, even a brick like his Ultimate version, can't take more than a handful of hits from Wolverine, be it Ultimate or 616. And anyone that says Cap will land 10 blows for every 1 Logan lands is just kidding themselves and not giving Wolverine his due.
OneDumbG0's version of the fight:
Ult. Cap stands in the middle of the street on an alley corner. Wolverine stalks him and attempts to sneak out of the shadows of the alley into Ult. Cap's blindside. Just as he's about to turn the corner, Ult. Cap says quietly, "Come out, punk. Or can you not fight me toe-to-toe?"
Wolverine obliges and steps out and stands a few paces from Ult. Cap. Ult. Cap says, "I've been ghosted before. Big noisy fights are usually my fare, but I wouldn't be alive now if I couldn't detect a trap or an assassin." Wolverine shrugs and is half-impressed and adds cockily, "So this is John Wayne on steroids." Ult. Cap draws his shield up in front of his chest and motions to Wolverine to come get some.
Logan lunges at Ult. Cap with claws drawn. Instead of bracing for the claw impact with his shield, Ult. Cap tosses his shield straight up. Logan did not expect this and for that split second surprise, Ult. Cap is able to time his maneuver and grabs both of Wolvie's wrists in Logan's mid leap. Cap leans back with the momentum and monkey rolls straight backwards. Ult. Cap's strength prevents Wolverine from breaking the grip in mid roll and prevents him from even twisting his wrists. As he falls backwards, Ult. Cap quickens the natural momentum of Logan's leap by leaning his back on the ground and double kicking Logan in the gut and flinging him straight over Ult. Cap's head. This knocks the wind out of Wolverine who lands on his back behind Rogers, his wrists still held in Ult. Cap's grip. Ult. Cap flips back on top of Wolverine and sits on his chest Vale Tudo style. He uses his super soldier strength to jam Wolvie's left arms' claws straight into his neck. Cap than jams his right arm's claws into the left arm, pinning his left arm in that position.
Wolverine has been stabbed many times before and struggles. He has no leverage or strength enough to break his arms free. He's about to kick Ult. Cap in the back of the head except he's distracted by Ult. Cap whistling in his face as if a bomb was falling down. Logan's eyebrow raises in question and Ult. Cap smiles and leans his head away just at the instant where his shield whizzes straight down on top of Logan's face from the air where Cap threw it. It hits the bridge of his nose and stuns Wolvie for another second.
Having pinned Wolvie's left arm with his right arm, Ult. Cap is free to use only one arm to hold Wolvie's claws in place with his super soldier strength. He opens up one of his little satchels on his belt and brings out a taser like the one he used against Ult. Surfer. Ult. Cap squats up and applies the taser to Logan's eyes. He continues to hold Logan down with one arm since his glove is a non-conducive fabric and insulates Cap from electricity. Ult. Cap gives him the whole charge until Logan's face is literally melted away.
He tosses the taser, and with the same hand grabs a survival knife and plunges it into Logans gut and creates a six inch cut. As soon as he makes the cut, Ult. Cap flicks the knife away and grabs a fistful of guts, most likely his liver and some intestines and tosses em aside. Logan would try to stop him if he wasn't so stunned by the electricity. Ult. Cap now takes a grenade out with his free hand and jams it into Logan's gut which had started closing up at that point, but super soldier strength was enough force to stick the grenade into the healing wound. At this point, Ult. Cap finally lets go of Wolverine's right arm and walks over calmly to collect his shield which had bounced away a few yards from them. The grenade explodes as Cap turns back to Logan.
Healing abilities not withstanding, Wolvie's a mess but manages to sheath his claws from his throat and arm (he should have thought about that before, but Ult. Cap was so frigging quick that everything happened in seconds) and starts to brace himself to get up, guts spillign all over the place. Ult. Cap walks over, stomps Logan in the balls. He calmly kicks him over onto his face and Ult. Cap finally delivers a money shot to the back of the head shield blow just like 616 Cap did in 'Enemy of the State.' The concussion of the blow with Ult. Cap's strength and Wolverine's already fried brain causes Wolverine's brain to shut down momentarily and he drifts into unconsiousness. Ult. Cap calls in the SHIELD containment crews and walks away with this line, "Funny thing is. I don't even know who John Wayne is. After my time, apparently. But if people's references to him are any indication, I'd like to meet him."
Happy reading. Ult. Cap 8/10.
Originally posted by capt it upI didn't write that example of a fight for you. But if you want a list:
Wolverine wins I wanan see some reason for why ult capt wins. not some dumb ass fan fiction that makes no sense at all.what does ultimate capt brign to the table that 616 logan does not have?
- Ultimate Cap is many times stronger than Wolverine.
- Ultimate Cap is faster than Wolverine.
- Ultimate Cap can plan out one-on-one fights in a few moments time better than Wolverine.
- Ultimate Cap has equal fighting ability if not greater fighting ability than Wolverine.
- Ultimate Cap has plenty of nifty stuff. His shield is great first of all and is a projectile weapon. The knife and grenades are standard on his belt and you can see em all the time on his belt. I'm assuming one of those little pockets has a taser. I mean, he's actually used one in his fights. I didn't even bother equipping him with a machine gun, which he'll probably carry around as he does half the time in action scenes. Ult. Cap does not shy away from guns. I don't think he needs em though.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I didn't write that example of a fight for you. But if you want a list:- Ultimate Cap is many times stronger than Wolverine.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
- Ultimate Cap is faster than Wolverine.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
- Ultimate Cap can plan out one-on-one fights in a few moments time better than Wolverine.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
- Ultimate Cap has equal fighting ability if not greater fighting ability than Wolverine.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
- Ultimate Cap has plenty of nifty stuff. His shield is great first of all and is a projectile weapon. The knife and grenades are standard on his belt and you can see em all the time on his belt.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm assuming one of those little pockets has a taser. I mean, he's actually used one in his fights.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I didn't even bother equipping him with a machine gun, which he'll probably carry around as he does half the time in action scenes. Ult. Cap does not shy away from guns. I don't think he needs em though.