616 wolverine vs ultimate captain america

Started by Shinkuu16 pages

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
OneDumbG0's version of the fight:
That was a horrible account of Wolverine, clearly biased, and made little sense.

1) Wolverine has snuck up on Daredevil, who has super senses, some of which may be even more powerful than Logan's. So how does Captain America detect him, who has no enhanced hyper senses and is not trained in assassination and stealth tactics to the degree that Wolverine is?

2) Logan distracted by Cap throwing his shield straight up? You seem to think Logan has the fighting instinct of a boot camp drop out. Cap throwing away his only means of protection against Wolverine is a tactical blunder the equal to Hitler and Napolean's march on Russia. Wolverine would not have hesitated.

3) A Tomoe Nagi throw would hardly knock the wind out of someone that can't be hurt by jumping off the Shield Helicarrier.

4) Ultimate Cap is at best only slightly stronger than Wolverine if even that, so pinning his arms and wrists in a completely motionless hold wont be easy. Even a slight movement by Wolverine will upset the balance allowing him to arrange his arm to cut at Cap.

5) It is nearly impossible to stab yourself in the neck with foot long claws that protrude from your own knuckles. And it is far too easy to simply retract them. Stabbing himself in the neck would not stop Wolverine anyway, only make him angry.

6) Wolverine keeping his claws extended to pin his own arm into the ground? I suppose he's been afflicted with massive mental retardation for the purposes of this fight?

7) Wolverine just sits there while Cap uses a taser that he doesn't normally carry? I'm sorry, but your reasoning escapes me there.

8) Logan being stunned by the taser is not likely either. He can get right back up from being struck by lightning and has used himself as a conductor to fry his enemies with little ill effect.

9) Wolverine calmly lying there waiting for a grenade to explode in his guts? Come on.

10) I find it highly amusing and completely unbelievable that Wolverine didn't manage to land a single strike to Cap in this story. A horrible attempt.

Hey, OneDumbG0 - that was ONE DUMB GOd awful fight senario. Wolverine doesn't land a single. a SINGLE hit? Why am I not fuggin surprised??? Bull Fuggin Shit!! And people call me a fanboy!?!? Rediculous.

And your entire idea of Cap's abilities is off by a mile. You think Ultimate Cap is several times stronger than Wolverine? Where the hell did you get that stupid idea. Because cap curled 550 lbs in the Gym? Wolverine with no adamantium has chucked a full double sided dumster across an alley 1 handed. Because Ult Cap caught a falling tree? Wolverine has picked up trees and used them as baseball bats. Because Cap has managed to hurt Hulk with punches and kicks? Wolverine has done the same damn thing. Prove he is in any way superior. I would love to see you try, because you will fail miserably.

You want the fight as it would happen? Fine:

Setting:

City, night. Area has been bombed recently. Buildings are toppled, spilling into the streets. Broken masonry is blackened by fires, still stubbornly refusing to be extinquished by the cold night breeze. Ultimate Captain America stands in one of the few clearings left in this urban wasteland, calmly waiting. The rogue agent designate Weapon X has seemingly flown off the deep end again. Cap knows Logan from the past and thinks that there may be more to the story, but Logan is too dangerous to be allowed any leeway. Shield gave the order and he'd be damned if he went back empty handed. Iron Man had incinerated the area on a fly-by earlier, under Shield intelligence putting Wolverine in the general location of a gun shop on the corner of 23rd and Main. Cap had checked the shop, what remained of it, and taken the liberty of arming himself with a MP5K 9 x 19 mm Luger. It was small and wouldn't encumber his shield useage. It wouldn't put Logan down, but it might distract him. Cap kept to the open ground. He knew playing hide and seek with Logan would get him nowhere, but a body bag, so he'd make the runt come to him. Then he'd get the job done.

Fight:

A sound to his left alerted him to another's precense, but turning in that direction was a mistake. Cap squeezed off a few rounds in the direction of the noise, while keeping alert for an attack from another direction. The fact that he was in the one patch of light left in this part of the city was the only thing that saved him.

Logan had come from above, leaping off a 4th story balcony from one of the few semi-standing buildings in the area. His shadow had hit Cap right before Logan did, giving Cap just enough warning to twist out of the way, getting his shield up between him and the flying attacker. The sickening sound of adamantium on adamantium broke the night silence and sparks flew.

Wolverine curled into a ball and rolled to a crouch. He detected a slight movement from his sparring partner and dove at blinding speed for the safety of the darkness. Bullets razed the ground behind him, kicking up dust and cracking cement. Cap stared into the darkness. He could faintly see 2 glowing orbs waiting out there for him and he grit his teeth.

"Why all the running away Jim? Afraid to see how poorly you match up against the original?"

A harsh laugh echoed back at him.

"Boy, I was slaughtering em' by the thousands before you were an itch in yer Daddy's pants."

A grim smirk rose on Cap's face, "As usual Jim...slaughtering the helpless is all your good for."

A feral roar exploded as Wolverine rushes out of the darkness. Cap had already started pulling the trigger, letting loose a hail of bullets at the oncoming Wolverine. He led Logan to the right, while launching his shield to the left. Wolverine noticed the shield and immediately tucked into a roll. He took a bullet to the shoulder, but avoided the shield, which rebounded off a fire escape and imbedded itself in a dumster, narrowly missing his head. With the shield temporarily out of play Wolverine didn't miss a beat. He stopped bothering with evasive manuevers and rushed at Cap. Cap recognized his disadvantage immediately and dropped the gun, ripping a large US Postal Service box off the sidewalk and bringing it down with all his might at Wolverine.

The metal box crashed into Logan's head, but his left arm ripped straight through the box, nicking Cap's jaw, drawing blood, but doing little damage. Cap swung low with a fast sweep, trying to knock Logan off his feet, but instinctively Wolverine launched himself straight up. While airborne he tore the box into 2 large pieces, flinging them away. He came down in a double claw thrust at Cap, but Cap was just fast enough to roll out of the way. He dove for his shield, wrenching it out of the dumster. He turned, expecting an attack, but Logan was still crouched, claws imbedded in the curb where Cap had been a split second before. He glared at Cap, not bothering to face him squarely, and calmly yanked his adamantium blades out of the sidewalk.

Continued:

Wolverine and Cap faced each other and squared off, 15 feet apart. This is where things get interesting. Wolverine predictably rushed at Cap going for a wide swing fo disembowel the Sentinel of Liberty. Cap crouched, shield at the ready, prepared to counter-attack. Wolverine pulled up short on his wide left slash and launched a straight right thrust over the top of the shield at Cap's exposed head. Cap ducked just in time and grabbed Logan's extended arm. He rammed the shield arm and shoulder into Logan's body, while pulling Logan's extended arm with all his strength. Cap launched Logan into the side of the dumster behind him, hard. Logan slid to the ground and Cap held the shield high, preparing to send the rim crashing into Logan's exposed face.

Wolverine lashed out with his leg, catching Cap in the knee. His knee didn't break, but his balance waivered and the feral sent his other foot straight into Cap's exposed midsection. Cap stumbled back from the blow a few steps and Logan was up in a flash, with murder in his eyes. Cap met his charge with a hard slash of his own shield, aimed at Logan's face. The mutant ducked the blow, but Cap snaked his other hand around Logan's head and pulled him into a knee strike. Logan barely got his left hand up in time to absorb the impact. He was now under Cap's guard with a free hand. He wrapped his right arm around Cap's balancing leg and launched himself upright, flipping the leader of the Ultimates over his shoulder. Cap landed on his back and got his shield up over his head in time to avoid Logan's follow up thrust. The claws shrieked off the shield again and imbedded into the pavement. Cap saw his opportunity and curled into a ball, launching both feet at Wolverine's face, while he couldn't cover up.

The kick impacted hard, flinging Logan free of his prison and into the bars of the fire escape. Cap launched the shield at Logan's head. He barely ducked it, only to have it rebound off the escape's steps and return to Cap. Cap grabbed his weapon and rushed at Logan full speed with his shoulder lowered. Wolverine got to his feet, but couldn't get out of the way. He took the charge head on. Cap rammed into Logan for all he was worth. The 2 men broke through the railing, the steps behind it and crashed into the wall of the collapsed building, cracking the bricks. Wolverine was slightly winded by the force, but fought on, grabbing Cap's head with both hands and headbutting him on top of the skull with all his strength. It wasn't the ideal strike, but from that position it was all he had. Wolverine's adamantium head made the blow particularly painful and Cap stumbled back, phased.

Wolverine barreled into Cap and they crashed to the ground, with Wolverine on top, the shield between them. Wolverine forced the edge of the adamantium disk under Cap's chin, pinning him there, while raising his right hand for the killing blow. Cap's hand desperately reached for something to block Logan's strike with and he found the discarded machine gun. He pointed the weapon at Logan's head and fired. 10 rounds went off right next to Logan's ear. He was able to swing out of the way, 2 bullets grazed him, but it was the noise that hurt more than anything. His sensitive hyper senses sent him reeling from the blast.

Cap's fist crashed into Logan's face, sending him sprawling. Cap gripped the shield with both hands and lunged at Logan's downed body, sending the rim at his face. Logan got a hand up in time, but still took most of the blow to his temple. Cap grabbed the gun and fired at Logan's head again. This time 2 bullets collided with his forehead and a 3rd skidded off his cheek and tore off his ear. Blood exploded across his face and he lashed out in pain. The adamantium claws raked across Cap's chest as he spun with the blow, but imbedded themselves in his right arm. Cap felt the bone in his upper arm cut clean through and pain exploded in his bicep. He grit his teeth in pain, but launched his left elbow into Logan's face with all his weight behind it. Logan felt his jaw wrench painfully and his head slammed back against the manhole cover he was laying on. Cap tried for another jarring elbow and Wolverine's head bounced back off the iron cover again.

Cap grimaced in pain as he shoved the machine gun barrel muzzle into Logan's neck with his injured arm and tried to work the trigger. Logan's knee came up into his groin and pain exploded in his midsection, crippling him. The claws slid out of Logan's left fist, straight into Cap's right lung. The pain exploded in him even more violently and he involuntarily squeezed the trigger, sending the remaining 4 bullets in the clip into Logan's throat Logan gagged, blood filling his mouth, but still able to fight on. He twisted hisleft fist and rammed his claws into Rogers's chest to the hilt, at the same time flicking his right wrist and severing Cap's right arm a couple inches above the elbow. Cap coughed violently and blood spattered Logan's face. Cap slumped against Logan's chest, but grabbed Logan's face with his good hand, going for his eye socket. Wolverine's right eye exploded in the socket just as he slid 12 inches of adamantium up into Cap's sternum with his right hand.

Rogers glared at Logan with hate in his eyes.

"...can't...beat me..."

The American super soldier sputtered blood again and collapsed, unmoving against Logan.

Wolverine grit animal-like teeth and shoved the motionless Ultimate off him. He took several moments to collect himself, pressing a hand against his bleeding throat to aid his healing factor in stopping the blood loss and climbed to his feet. He held one clawed hand at the ready, half expecting the Captain to get back up, but the growing blood pool around Rogers told the story. Logan's enhanced hearing finally kicked back in from the ruptured ear drum. He heard a pulse. It was weak, but he was alive.

Wolverine rummaged through Roger's utility belt and found a com-device. He switched it on and ground out through still healing vocal chords, "...Fury...nggggh...come get your soldier boy *COUGH*... before he...bleeds out..."

Logan dropped the small radio and ran for the darkness, He was hurt, but healing quickly. He looked over his shoulder at a worthy opponent. From the edge of the shadows he called back, "Next time...I'll kill ya..."

He turned away again and sprinted toward his stashed transport. When he was a good 80 yards away he heard a faint whisper, "%@*&...you..."

Hey, OneDumbG0 - that was ONE DUMB GOd awful fight senario. Wolverine doesn't land a single. a SINGLE hit? Why am I not fuggin surprised??? Bull Fuggin Shit!! And people call me a fanboy!?!? Rediculous.

Agreed its not like slower-non agile beings have not tagged U.Cap.

Kleiser, Russian Super-soilder, U.Hulk, Goblin, Nightowl(human martial artist) etc etc.

Originally posted by capt it up

what does ultimate capt brign to the table that 616 logan does not have?

The ability to fight Hulk without a jobber aura 😄

Originally posted by Grimm22
The ability to fight Hulk without a jobber aura 😄

again every thing is a jobber aura. not to mention the fact ult capt jobber aura is huge

Originally posted by capt it up
again every thing is a jobber aura. not to mention the fact ult capt jobber aura is huge

How so? 😐

You have no facts to back that up, just a bias opinion

Originally posted by capt it up
ya and he almost got killed by x-23 in a danger room sensoin

He saved Laura in the Danger Room 😐

Not the other way around.

Laura killed a projection monster in the "Danger Cave"

Oh and Helion >x1000000000000 Wolveirne ✅

I'm pretty sure 616 Wolverine would take Ultimate Cap, but I am positive riceroost writes their fight ten times better than OneDumbGO. That is how you write an unbiased fight between two combatants like Wolverine and Cap.

Originally posted by Shinkuu
I'm pretty sure 616 Wolverine would take Ultimate Cap, but I am positive riceroost writes their fight ten times better than OneDumbGO. That is how you write an unbiased fight between two combatants like Wolverine and Cap.

Roost just has nothing better to do when he's not working in his secret lab trying to make a logical explanation as to why Wolverine could stab Thanos 😆

Originally posted by Grimm22
Roost just has nothing better to do when he's not working in his secret lab trying to make a logical explanation as to why Wolverine could stab Thanos 😆
How is that any different than you playing dungeon master and proclaiming why Wolverine can't cut Thing?

All I said was the guy wrote a very nice battle story. It did not seem very biased in favor of anyone. Cap's attacks did manage do damage Wolverine, there was no healing from bones, Cap was written as the tough super soldier that he is, and Wolverine did not dodge every single bullet fired at him with super sonic speed. Much better than the previous mockery that was posted by OneDumbGO. I might even steal it and use it on Fanfiction.Net.

I may be mistaken, but Wolverine did cut Thanos in one of those Infinity minis didn't he? Didn't do anything to him if I remember, but it did happen.

Riceroost, I can understand your criticism of my fight, but it wasn't written for your benefit. I wrote it in response to someone asking, how it could be at all possible for Ult. Cap to inflict enough damage to beat Wolverine.

If anything, I gave Wolverine credit to the fact that only an immense amount of damage in a short period of time would actually work to beat Wolverine and you had Ult. Cap fist-fight him and shoot him with a gun.

Are you kidding me? What the hell is Ult. Cap thinking the whole time? Fist fighting him and trying to shoot him? How in the world is that going to do anything to beat Wolverine? You may not like my version which is fine, but at least my Ult. Cap was playing for a win. You clearly created a situation where Ult. Cap could never win by making him stupid enough to believe that guns and fists would be enough to kill Wolverine.

Ult. Cap isn't Captain America with a gun. He's an a$$hole. He'll use any available weapons like nades, gas grenades, tasers, distractions, kicks in the nads, and use your own weapons against you, ANYTHING to win. He's macho, but not stupid. Who in their right mind would try to beat Wolverine with their fists and a gun?

Like Ult. Cap said in Ultimate Nightmare #5, "Fighting isn't about glory. Fighting isn't about pride. This is the mistake that crazy scum like you always make. Fighting's about winning." You may be angry that Wolverine got punked, but that was a scenario for damage infliction to prove a point. Wolverine's been punked before worse than this. At least I didn't write him out of character. Next post, I'll try to defend the veracity of my scenario anyway, although it wasn't written for that purpose.

Originally posted by Shinkuu
1) Wolverine has snuck up on Daredevil, who has super senses, some of which may be even more powerful than Logan's. So how does Captain America detect him, who has no enhanced hyper senses and is not trained in assassination and stealth tactics to the degree that Wolverine is?
Granted. I did that as an intro. Ult. Cap has sensed traps though that even advanced scouts and Ult. Ironman with all his tech and scanners couldn't however (Ultimates #10). Either way, fine. Wolverine sneaks up on Ult. Cap and eviscerates him. Ok. That'll win him 1 or 2 battles and I already gave Wolverine 3/10. Other eight times, he'd either fail to sneak up on him or just stand toe to toe.
Originally posted by Shinkuu
2) Logan distracted by Cap throwing his shield straight up? You seem to think Logan has the fighting instinct of a boot camp drop out. Cap throwing away his only means of protection against Wolverine is a tactical blunder the equal to Hitler and Napolean's march on Russia. Wolverine would not have hesitated.
He didn't hesitate. He was already in midleap. It was a small distraction at best to break his concentration enough to avoid countering Ult. Cap's attempted wrist grab. Plenty of people have grabbed Wolvie's wrists to avoid being stabbed like DD (Wolverine #24). I gave Wolverine enough credit that if Ult. Cap were bracing for a wrist grab, Wolvie could counter it. I had Ult. Cap styart with his shield so that Ult. Wolvie would think he was just trying to block it. I'm giving Wolvie credit here, Ult. Cap has to think two steps ahead AT LEAST to get an edge.
Originally posted by Shinkuu
3) A Tomoe Nagi throw would hardly knock the wind out of someone that can't be hurt by jumping off the Shield Helicarrier.
You're right. Simply being flipped over isn't going to do anything. Which is why I had Ultimate Cap double kick him in the gut to knock the wind out of him. I didn't leave the wind being knocked out of him for the ground. I left it to Ult. Cap. It certainly left an impression on Ult. Hulk (Ultimates #5).
Originally posted by Shinkuu
4) Ultimate Cap is at best only slightly stronger than Wolverine if even that, so pinning his arms and wrists in a completely motionless hold wont be easy. Even a slight movement by Wolverine will upset the balance allowing him to arrange his arm to cut at Cap.
Ult. Cap is Spidey level strength at worst. Aside from other strength feats posted, he's ripped open steel plating his one hand (Ultimates #1), knocked out the Hulk with his fist (Ultimates #5), fallen from 600 feet into water with no parachute for a covert op (Ultimates 2 #1), able to puncture fingerholds into solid stone slab (Ultimates 2 #8), etc. In any case, he is at least Wolverine's strength and when you're sitting on top of a person, you've got leverage. Go ahead and have someone sit on your chest and pin your arms the way I've stated. You're kidding me right? I don't even need to argue strength with that kind of leverage. On the ground with a weight of a person on top with no breath, no hip movement, no back muscles, leverage and you're saying you can't pin a man's arms when the only thing that you could use are your triceps against a man's pure pressing power and full weight?
Originally posted by Shinkuu
5) It is nearly impossible to stab yourself in the neck with foot long claws that protrude from your own knuckles. And it is far too easy to simply retract them. Stabbing himself in the neck would not stop Wolverine anyway, only make him angry.

6) Wolverine keeping his claws extended to pin his own arm into the ground? I suppose he's been afflicted with massive mental retardation for the purposes of this fight?

Spiderwoman did it in New Avengers, that's where I stole the move (New Avengers #5). So no, its not impossible to make Wolvie stab himself. It would be far too easy to retract them if Ult. Cap gave him even a second to figure out what the hell is going on. That's one wrist grab in mid air with a double kick in the gut, flippin over onto his back, followed by sitting on his chest and stabbing him. Try imagining a cartoon action scene, that's 2 seconds tops. You;re right it would make Wolverine severely angry, which would work against him thinking smartly and simply retracting his claws. Also, having the breath knocked out of you would make it hard too.
Originally posted by Shinkuu
7) Wolverine just sits there while Cap uses a taser that he doesn't normally carry? I'm sorry, but your reasoning escapes me there.

8) Logan being stunned by the taser is not likely either. He can get right back up from being struck by lightning and has used himself as a conductor to fry his enemies with little ill effect.

9) Wolverine calmly lying there waiting for a grenade to explode in his guts? Come on.

So now we're taking away his taser? Why? How do you know he doesn't normally carry it? He's brought it out from his belt once before where he's got a whole bunch of stuff. Why not a taser? Cops carry tasers all the time. He had an extra nasty taser that f'ed up Ult. Surfer from his belt. I mean, Batman uses an acid Batarang once in his life and people still allow him use of it in KMC fights. I thought if they used it in the comics, you can use it in KMC. This isn't some one-time special nuke arrow, its a taser and he's used it. Explain the KMC rules again as to why I can't use it. Maybe I didn't read em right?

Wolvie can get right back up, and I agree. The taser is only there to stun him for another two seconds for Ult. Cap to stick a grenade in. Wolverine isn't calmly lying down there. He just got the wind knocked out of him, got stabbed in the neck and been jolted by several thousand volts of electricty with his face charred off and just been literally gutted like a fish. He's not taking a coffee break. The grenade goes off in three seconds. I even wrote that throughout all this crap he's been attempting countermoves and starts getting up from the grenade blast a few seconds later.

Originally posted by Shinkuu
10) I find it highly amusing and completely unbelievable that Wolverine didn't manage to land a single strike to Cap in this story. A horrible attempt.
That's fair enough. Someone wanted to know how it could even be possible for Ult. Cap to inflict enough damage to put Wolvie down. I just obliged. The fight takes seconds and it had to be quick. Wolvie's healing ability is too good. You need to inflict a lot of damage quickly in order to win. Knock the wind out of him, allowing you to stab himself in the neck to pin him down and essentially disarm him, fry his face off with a few thousand volts of electricity, gut him and cause a grenade to explode inside him followed by a money shot. Would it go that way everytime? No. But I think its very clearly possible and gives an example of how Ult. Cap can actually beat the immortal a$$kickar pwnerz Wolverine. Apparently, nobody likes quick fights that have to do with actual strategy and needs an extended Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon kind of fight. I don't think Ult. Cap would be stupid enough to go fists and bullets against Wolvie. If he did that, he'd lose. Even I agree with that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Riceroost, I can understand your criticism of my fight, but it wasn't written for your benefit. I wrote it in response to someone asking, how it could be at all possible for Ult. Cap to inflict enough damage to beat Wolverine.
A 2-year old could understand and criticize your post. It was rediculous. And your post fails to relate how Cap could damage Wolverine enough to beat him because there is no concievable way Cap would get that many hits of that magnitude in that span of time. It is impossible.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If anything, I gave Wolverine credit to the fact that only an immense amount of damage in a short period of time would actually work to beat Wolverine and you had Ult. Cap fist-fight him and shoot him with a gun.
BS you gave Wolverine no credit from start to finish. And for the record 616 Wolvy would have laughed off that assault. Taser?Ha, disemboweled?So what, blown up?what's new.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Are you kidding me? What the hell is Ult. Cap thinking the whole time? Fist fighting him and trying to shoot him? How in the world is that going to do anything to beat Wolverine? You may not like my version which is fine, but at least my Ult. Cap was playing for a win. You clearly created a situation where Ult. Cap could never win by making him stupid enough to believe that guns and fists would be enough to kill Wolverine.
Cap goes after Wolverine every single time they meet with guns/fists. Your Cap was acting wildly out of character by carrying a cosmic level weapon around to fight Wolverine, a friggin street level character.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ult. Cap isn't Captain America with a gun. He's an a$$hole. He'll use any available weapons like nades, gas grenades, tasers, distractions, kicks in the nads, and use your own weapons against you, ANYTHING to win.."
And Wolverine wont do the same? Wolverine is worse than an *******. He is a MASS MURDERER. He is a walking Holocaust in yellow spandex. Wolverine is not above using explosives, Shiar flight boots, even SENTINELS to get the job done.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He's macho, but not stupid. Who in their right mind would try to beat Wolverine with their fists and a gun?
So in short you are admitting Cap has no chance against Wolverine unless he has a plot device, massive one-sided prep, or Wolverine suddenly forgets 1000+ years of combat knowledge. Thanks for clearing that up. All you had to say was: Wolverine takes it 10/10.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Like Ult. Cap said in Ultimate Nightmare #5, "Fighting isn't about glory. Fighting isn't about pride. This is the mistake that crazy scum like you always make. Fighting's about winning."
And that is why Cap will lose. He fights to win, Wolverine fights to kill. Cap can't kill Wolverine. Wolverine can kill Cap with a jab.

Originally posted by riceroost
A 2-year old could understand and criticize your post. It was rediculous. And your post fails to relate how Cap could damage Wolverine enough to beat him because there is no concievable way Cap would get that many hits of that magnitude in that span of time. It is impossible.
BS you gave Wolverine no credit from start to finish. And for the record 616 Wolvy would have laughed off that assault. Taser?Ha, disemboweled?So what, blown up?what's new.
Cap goes after Wolverine every single time they meet with guns/fists. Your Cap was acting wildly out of character by carrying a cosmic level weapon around to fight Wolverine, a friggin street level character.
And Wolverine wont do the same? Wolverine is worse than an *******. He is a MASS MURDERER. He is a walking Holocaust in yellow spandex. Wolverine is not above using explosives, Shiar flight boots, even SENTINELS to get the job done.
So in short you are admitting Cap has no chance against Wolverine unless he has a plot device, massive one-sided prep, or Wolverine suddenly forgets 1000+ years of combat knowledge. Thanks for clearing that up. All you had to say was: Wolverine takes it 10/10.
And that is why Cap will lose. He fights to win, Wolverine fights to kill. Cap can't kill Wolverine. Wolverine can kill Cap with a jab.
Here I thought I was addressing the concerns of someone who actually had a point to make. You're an idiot. I posted examples and supported all the examples and tactics from actual comic scenes. You want to hate, thats fine. Don't act like your hating actually makes sense or can even pass for anything like an argument. Just a few points to point out how you're probably the single worst debater to a thread I've ever dealt with. I'm just going to point out how many times you were wrong:

1) Calling a taser a 'cosmic level weapon?' Beyond retarded. I'm assuming you didn't read Ultimate Extinction? If you didn't, you can ask for scans, don't assume that this was some Ultimate Nullifier weapon you retard. It's a taser.
2) Saying that having a taser is 'massive one-sided prep?' Pretty retarded. I asked you where it says we can't use items that characters have used and conceiveably would usually have? You avoided the question, which makes you look ignorant or straight up whipped on the point. I vote the latter.
3) Wolverine has 1000+ years of combat knowledge? Thanks to you, several of my brain cells just died from reading that amount of stupid. I'm reporting that to my health insurance company.
4) When did we agree to reduce this matchup to preschool logic? And I quote, "Cap fights to win. Wolverine fights to kill. Cap can't kill Wolverine. Wolverine can kill Cap with a jab." Gee, thanks for the recap Einstein.
5) No conceivable way Ult. Cap could get those kind of hits? I just showed you how. I just showed you how, using moves that have been used in actual comics. Some of them, DIRECTLY AGAINST Wolverine. Grab wrists to avoid being clawed? Check. Stab Wolvie with his own claws and throw him onto ground? Check. Use a taser? Check. Stick a grenade into his guts? Well I forgot to post an example of that, but it happens to Deadpool in Cable/Deadpool #30 and you can see the effects on someone who arguably has better healing powers than Wolverine in the following scan:

I can be quite nasty too in my criticisms when I want to be. So lets begin: Your fanfiction is utter sh1t. It reads straight out of a Street Fighter video game fight. People have set amount of energy and person with most hits and damaging combos wins. There's a reason you NEVER see fights like yours in comics. Because they suck and have no point. You give absolutely no thought to what both of the characters are thinking or what they are strategizing. You throw them together in a brawl. For someone who believes Wolverine is a 1000+ year combat genius, you turned him into a Bruce Lee extra. Ult. Cap continues grabbing for his gun throughout the fight? Ult. Cap headbutts Wolverine?! What's the point of all this? Where is it all going? What are the intentions of the characters throughout the fight? Wolverine is trying to stab Ult. Cap, fine. What is Ult. Cap trying to do the whole time? Shoot Wolverine?

There has to be motive behind characters, not just action. There has to be a point to a narrative, not just a conclusion. Do you know what this is generally called? Its called a plot. Every narrative needs it and so does yours. Your story can be reduced to this, "Cap fights to win. Wolverine fights to kill. Cap can't kill Wolverine. Wolverine can kill Cap with a jab." Sound familiar? Except in your two post version, you wasted our time by adding filler in between those sentences.

Maybe writing isn't your stuff, but your reading interpretation skills are utter sh1t also. Every single move I had Ult. Cap did was purposeful. A two or three part maneuver building on top of each other. Straight up, Wolverine would kick the crap out of anyone who shot a gun or threw a fist without thinking ahead. If that's the way you think Ult. Cap fights, then you haven't read him at all, and if that's the case, go read something and shut the f()ck up and then come back here.

Give Wolverine no credit? I didn't write, "Ult. Cap fights to win. Wolverine fights to kill. Ult. Cap can win. Wolverine can't kill Ult. Cap. Ult. Cap wins with a punch to the face." Ult. Cap couldn't just grab Wolvie's wrists, he would see that coming unless distracted/tricked. Wolverine would kick his way out of the Vale Tudo mount, he can counter it unless stunned further. Wolverine was stunned only for seconds with each move, not out for the count like any other person would normally be. Wind knocked out and stabbed in the neck? He's still kicking. Face clonked by shield and face fried off, he's trying to get up. Grenade just blown in his gut, he's still managing to get up. Apparently you've convinced yourself that several thousand volts of electricity doesn't hurt Wolverine and he'd fight like nothing happened. Grenade in the gut that probably blows through his chest cavity and rips his lungs apart? Yeah, who cares, Wolverine can still get up and fight with his 1000+ years combat experience. Apparently he learned "No Lungs Kung Fu" 800 years ago. Sit down son. You're outclassed. Your hating skills are also ant sh1t compared to when I take my gloves off.

Originally posted by Shinkuu

I may be mistaken, but Wolverine did cut Thanos in one of those Infinity minis didn't he? Didn't do anything to him if I remember, but it did happen.
Ya, it happened. But it is still pis. Don't even try to justify it, unless you want to go against forum rules.

In fact it one ups the forum rules.
Spiderman vs Firelord.
Wolverine is roughly equal to Spiderman.
Thanos is way, way more powerful than Firelord.

Even though he only stabbed him. If you look at the history of Thanos, even a new born can smell pis.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1) Calling a taser a 'cosmic level weapon?' Beyond retarded. I'm assuming you didn't read Ultimate Extinction? If you didn't, you can ask for scans, don't assume that this was some Ultimate Nullifier weapon you retard. It's a taser.
I'm sorry, when you say that his taser somehow hurt the Silver *uckin Surfer I naturally assumed it had to be some rediculous amped up 5 million volts kind of deal. Now that I 've actually read all of Extinction I can further call you on your terrible opinions. Ultimate Surfer is a complete *ussy, plain and simple. The fact that he was hurt by Cap hitting him with his shield in the first place proves this beyond a shaow of a doubt. Normal tasers like the one Cap was carrying that effect pussified Ult. Surfer will not do diddly squat to Wolverine. He takes lightning bolts no problem. He electrocuteds himself to hurt his enemies. Wont even phase him for that precious 2 seconds Cap needs in your story. So right there Cap dies.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
3) Wolverine has 1000+ years of combat knowledge? Thanks to you, several of my brain cells just died from reading that amount of stupid. I'm reporting that to my health insurance company.
It goes like this jack*ss. Wolverine was taught by Ogun. Ogun is the greatest human martial artist in the Marvel Universe. Ogun was a sorceror who lived over a 1000 years. When Ogun trained Logan he was looking for a new host body. When he does this he implants his own martial skills into his student's brain. Therefor Wolverine has knowledge from Ogun of his 1000 years worth of combat experience, training, etc.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
4) When did we agree to reduce this matchup to preschool logic? And I quote, "Cap fights to win. Wolverine fights to kill. Cap can't kill Wolverine. Wolverine can kill Cap with a jab." Gee, thanks for the recap Einstein..
Your welcome Mary Ann. I thought it might be of some service to a lower life form like yourself. Pretty simple. Even *uckin Bizzaro could get the message. Cap can't kill 616 Wolverine. Wolverine can kill Cap with one blow. Get a *uckin clue. Cap can bring every party favor he can find, it wont matter. Taser? Lightning bolts dont work. Stab him in the throat? Wolverine took down 4 of the deadliest assassins on the planet with a dagger shoved in his throat the entire fight. Not only did it not hurt him, he was talking just fine with it in his neck. He later uses it to attack one of the assassins. Disembowel him? Like that would stop him. Blow him up? Nuke anyone? Get a clue. Pin Wolverine to the ground? If he can make Blob get off his chest he can make anyone get off.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
5) No conceivable way Ult. Cap could get those kind of hits? I just showed you how...
Yeah, without Wolverine doing ANYTHING about it. Wolverine was helpless in your senario and Cap just kept piling on the damage while Wolverine sits there pinning himself letting it happen. Your senario reeks of fanboyism on your part.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I can be quite nasty too in my criticisms when I want to be. So lets begin: Your fanfiction is utter sh1t. It reads straight out of a Street Fighter video game fight.
First of all, Street Fighter is the greatest fighting game of all time, so you need to shut the eff up and recognize.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ult. Cap continues grabbing for his gun throughout the fight?.
WTF are you talking about? You are clearly illiterate. Cap grabbed for the gun once, in a desperation move when he was stunned and Wolverine was about to impale him in the face. The gun had a strategic value as well, as Cap was using it to set up his shield ricochet earlier in the fight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ult. Cap headbutts Wolverine?! What's the point of all this? Where is it all going?
Again your illiteracy astounds me you simpleton. Wolverine headbutted Cap dumb@ss, not the other way around. Metal skull...DEEEEEERRRRRRR?!?!?!?!? Stop beating yourself with the stupid stick you ugly child.

For reference here is the sentence from my fight:

"Wolverine was slightly winded by the force, but fought on, grabbing Cap's head with both hands and headbutting him on top of the skull with all his strength."

Get hooked on phonics, not on LSD.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What are the intentions of the characters throughout the fight? Wolverine is trying to stab Ult. Cap, fine. What is Ult. Cap trying to do the whole time? Shoot Wolverine??
Wolverine is trying to stab Cap in the face. Cap is attempting to land the 2-handed shield plunge into Logan's face or neck, as it is the only way he can really hurt the guy.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
There has to be motive behind characters, not just action.??
Really? What was Wolverine's motive in your version of the events? Stand there like a labotomy volunteer while Cap hammers away? Great motivation there Shakespear, you really captured Wolverine's essence.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Every single move I had Ult. Cap did was purposeful. A two or three part maneuver building on top of each other.
Yeah, but in a REAL fight there is give and take. When you are evenly matched against someone you do not deliver a massive 15 hit infinite combo for the KO victory, which is exactly what Cap did in your story. And you compare my fight to Street Fighter. Bow your head in shame. No fighter worth his salt just lets you do something like that to them without retaliating a single time. It's unheard of. Good fighters can break their opponent's attack rythym with a counter blow in an attempt to begin their own attack pattern. You will find such tactics littered throughout my fight if you know where to look. Doubtfull in your case. Your fight does not read like a real fight, it reads like a beatdown on the computer in Practice Mode in Street Fighter. You talk about Bruce Lee? Remember Daniel-San, "Boards no hit back." Wolverine does.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Straight up, Wolverine would kick the crap out of anyone who shot a gun or threw a fist without thinking ahead. If that's the way you think Ult. Cap fights, then you haven't read him at all, and if that's the case, go read something and shut the f()ck up and then come back here.
Oh, what and Wolverine doesn't know how to think ahead? Wolverien doesn't know how to plan? Wolverine can't set sh1t up? You are *ucking ignorant if you think Wolverien can't come up with a plan the equal to anything Cap can whip up. Did you know that Wolverine's mental processes can beat 4 seperate chess computers in his head at the same time while he's doing his maximum physical output? Did you know a badly wounded Wolverine prepped on the fly to beat an army of Hydra that they were under attack by the FF, the X-Men, and the Avengers, but in reality it was just little old wounded Wolvy kicking their @sses the entire time? You talk about thinking ahead, yeah thats great, only problem for you is you forgot that Wolverine can do it too.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
apparantly Wolverine learned "No Lungs Kung Fu" 800 years ago./B]
That's just it Sunshine. Wolverine has proven time and time again that he will fight on with half his digestive system hanging out. He will continue to fight, even though Sabretooth just ripped his heart out of his body and his healing factor is not working, he will get back up, even though there is a pipe stuck in his brain, he will commence to kick your @ss even though he just impaled himself through the lungs to get out of that restraint harness.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]Sit down son. You're outclassed. Your hating skills are also ant sh1t compared to when I take my gloves off.
You are beaten, you have no point, and your opinions suck.

Originally posted by Shinkuu
How is that any different than you playing dungeon master and proclaiming why Wolverine can't cut Thing?

All I said was the guy wrote a very nice battle story. It did not seem very biased in favor of anyone. Cap's attacks did manage do damage Wolverine, there was no healing from bones, Cap was written as the tough super soldier that he is, and Wolverine did not dodge every single bullet fired at him with super sonic speed. Much better than the previous mockery that was posted by OneDumbGO. I might even steal it and use it on Fanfiction.Net.

I may be mistaken, but Wolverine did cut Thanos in one of those Infinity minis didn't he? Didn't do anything to him if I remember, but it did happen.

Use your delusion 🤣

Originally posted by riceroost
I'm sorry, when you say that his taser somehow hurt the Silver *uckin Surfer I naturally assumed it had to be some rediculous amped up 5 million volts kind of deal. Now that I 've actually read all of Extinction I can further call you on your terrible opinions. Ultimate Surfer is a complete *ussy, plain and simple. The fact that he was hurt by Cap hitting him with his shield in the first place proves this beyond a shaow of a doubt. Normal tasers like the one Cap was carrying that effect pussified Ult. Surfer will not do diddly squat to Wolverine. He takes lightning bolts no problem. He electrocuteds himself to hurt his enemies. Wont even phase him for that precious 2 seconds Cap needs in your story. So right there Cap dies.
Well, this is my last post because really, 1) I have no patience for you and 2) this has turned into a hating match, which is something that I never want to engage in. Ult. Silver Surfer took a compressed gas explosion point blank with no damage. He took a several story fall onto his head without a scratch. He also was bulletproof. Thats a decent amount of durability, which is beyond the point. Your point is, "Wolverine is not affected by electricity." No. That is EXACTLY your point. He's been shocked by electricity and moreso, he has shocked himself to get to his enemy. The electricity would not even stun him for two seconds. That is your point. I call absolute bullsh1t on your assumption. I disagree with it totally. Nothing I've seen, and I've read a whole lot, has shown me that several thousand volts directly to his face wouldn't stun him for two seconds. I mean, Spiderwoman's bioelectric 'venom blasts' to his face have stunned him (New Avengers #5).
Originally posted by riceroost
It goes like this jack*ss. Wolverine was taught by Ogun. Ogun is the greatest human martial artist in the Marvel Universe. Ogun was a sorceror who lived over a 1000 years. When Ogun trained Logan he was looking for a new host body. When he does this he implants his own martial skills into his student's brain. Therefor Wolverine has knowledge from Ogun of his 1000 years worth of combat experience, training, etc.
Nice to see that he still gets managed to get punked from behind by Namor (Wolverine #45), Molly Hayes a 14 yr old mutant (Runaways #12), Wrecker (New Avengers #7), Thing (FF v. X-Men #3), Daredevil (Wolverine #23)... need I go on? Like I said, Wolvie's skills are up there. But your so-called 1000 years of experience doesn't really mean diddly-squat. It puts him in the top-tier of fighters. Ult. Cap is right up there with him. But instead of making this a fighting skill ranking debate, your point has already been duly noted several posts ago: Wolverine can hold his own. It'd take a tough and smart and effective fighter to even begin to beat him. Bottom-line, a man with strategy has to fight him to beat him, not to match him move-for-move. Exactly the scenario I wrote.
Originally posted by riceroost
Your welcome Mary Ann. I thought it might be of some service to a lower life form like yourself. Pretty simple. Even *uckin Bizzaro could get the message. Cap can't kill 616 Wolverine. Wolverine can kill Cap with one blow. Get a *uckin clue. Cap can bring every party favor he can find, it wont matter. Taser? Lightning bolts dont work. Stab him in the throat? Wolverine took down 4 of the deadliest assassins on the planet with a dagger shoved in his throat the entire fight. Not only did it not hurt him, he was talking just fine with it in his neck. He later uses it to attack one of the assassins. Disembowel him? Like that would stop him. Blow him up? Nuke anyone? Get a clue. Pin Wolverine to the ground? If he can make Blob get off his chest he can make anyone get off.
Near everybody in this thread has conceded that death is not the only way for Ult. Cap to win. This has been resolved early on in the thread, nimrod. Was Wolverine beaten at the end of Wolverine #25? Yes. Was he dead? No. He was beaten to all crap and knocked out by a scene ending moneyshot. The whole point of my scenario was to demonstrate how someone like Ult. Cap could inflict similar damage to lead up to that knockout 'moneyshot.' It looks like you've missed the entire beginning of the debate. Backtrack and do us a favor, read. Your point: Wolverine can't be killed, and that is the only way he can be beaten. Yeah, we've covered that already. If that was the cusp of your argument, you could have relied on that alone and not wasted your breath.

Originally posted by riceroost
Yeah, without Wolverine doing ANYTHING about it. Wolverine was helpless in your senario and Cap just kept piling on the damage while Wolverine sits there pinning himself letting it happen. Your senario reeks of fanboyism on your part.
Its not fanboyism. I took my cue from New Avengers #5. You should read it. Spiderwoman hits Wolvie in the face with a bioelectric venom blast, thereby stunning him. She then proceeds to flip him over onto his back and stab him in the neck with his own claws. Wolvie couldn't do anything about it. Spiderwoman then sat on his chest. Had she not recognized Wolverine, and had she Super Soldier strength, I'd assume she'd start 'piling on the damage.' Your real problem with the scenario I wrote, is that Wolverine won't be affected or stunned or halted in the least bit by any of the actions taken. Supersoldier double kick to the gut, shield clonk to the head, taser stun, fish gutting and grenade blowing in gut. You believe none of this will even give him pause for one second. You're delusional. I can post examples of each and every time where such things CAN and HAVE stunned him. Double kick to gut stuns him? Check (DD nails him with double kick in Wolverine #23). Shield clonk to head stuns him? Check (Cap nails him in head with shield toss in New Avengers #6). Taser-level electricty stuns him? Check (Wasp's biolelectric blast in Secret Wars #4 or more recently, the aforementioned Spiderwoman 'venom blast' in New Avengers #5). Fish gutting stuns him? Well you're right on this one, this doesn't stop Wolverine in the least bit. But at that point in the battle, the taser's effects were the mechanism for the stunning and the gutting was designed to allow an internal grenade blast. Grenade blast stuns him? Check (Just check out how f'ed up Deadpool is with his healing ability with a grenade exploding outside his torso rather than inside in Cable/Deadpool #30). I'm the one posting examples and you've shown me absolutely NOTHING to say that this stuff WON'T affect Wolverine. Your arguments are better off focusing on how Wolverine should or would counter Ult. Cap's strategem, not on your delusion that Wolverine would somehow not be fazed at all by this type of damage.
Originally posted by riceroost First of all, Street Fighter is the greatest fighting game of all time, so you need to shut the eff up and recognize.

Wolverine is trying to stab Cap in the face. Cap is attempting to land the 2-handed shield plunge into Logan's face or neck, as it is the only way he can really hurt the guy.

I've played SF2 all my life. Every single game. SF2 and all its incarnations, SF3, SF vs. series and Capcom vs. series and the Capcom vs. SNK series. It's a great series, but comic fights don't work out that way. Your scenario is a joke because Ult. Cap is trying to cut up his face or neck with his shield. And yet, you've already concluded that such attacks won't kill Wolverine and killing Wolverine is the only way to win. You've set up a conclusion from the very start and therefore everything in between is mere filler with one inevitable consequence. Let's not even mention that fact that Ult. Cap is trying to shoot Wolverine. You'd like to think you've written an unbiased account of a fight. But if you've played SF2 at all, you've reduced their battle to a 'poking fest' (if you've played SF2 at all, you'd know what that means) with no combos or strategem in mind whatsoever. Unless your point is that Ult. Cap is stupid enough to go blow for blow with Wolverine, drop it. You're done on this point.
Originally posted by riceroost
Really? What was Wolverine's motive in your version of the events? Stand there like a labotomy volunteer while Cap hammers away? Great motivation there Shakespear, you really captured Wolverine's essence.
Yeah, but in a REAL fight there is give and take. When you are evenly matched against someone you do not deliver a massive 15 hit infinite combo for the KO victory, which is exactly what Cap did in your story. And you compare my fight to Street Fighter. Bow your head in shame. No fighter worth his salt just lets you do something like that to them without retaliating a single time. It's unheard of. Good fighters can break their opponent's attack rythym with a counter blow in an attempt to begin their own attack pattern. You will find such tactics littered throughout my fight if you know where to look. Doubtfull in your case. Your fight does not read like a real fight, it reads like a beatdown on the computer in Practice Mode in Street Fighter. You talk about Bruce Lee? Remember Daniel-San, "Boards no hit back." Wolverine does.
Real fights are not give and take. You only take when you want to give. My Wolverine's strategy was the same as yours. Try to gut Ult. Cap. So don't criticize my rendition of Wolverine's thought processes when your version resorts to the exact same, hypocrite. Did you notice how many steps Ult. Cap had to think ahead to cut off Wolverine's counter attack options? Wolverine hits back when he's given the chance and he'll win if given the chance. Ult. Cap can't give him that chance. Again, its all down to you believing Ult. Cap's fighting skills and tactics aren't worth shit and he wouldn't recognize this. But as I've repeated before, you just don't like that I wrote a scenario where Wolverine couldn't land a single shot and never attacked the veracity of such a strategem which is clearly supported by examples. Deal with it.
Originally posted by riceroost
Oh, what and Wolverine doesn't know how to think ahead? Wolverien doesn't know how to plan? Wolverine can't set sh1t up? You are *ucking ignorant if you think Wolverien can't come up with a plan the equal to anything Cap can whip up. Did you know that Wolverine's mental processes can beat 4 seperate chess computers in his head at the same time while he's doing his maximum physical output? Did you know a badly wounded Wolverine prepped on the fly to beat an army of Hydra that they were under attack by the FF, the X-Men, and the Avengers, but in reality it was just little old wounded Wolvy kicking their @sses the entire time? You talk about thinking ahead, yeah thats great, only problem for you is you forgot that Wolverine can do it too.
That's just it Sunshine. Wolverine has proven time and time again that he will fight on with half his digestive system hanging out. He will continue to fight, even though Sabretooth just ripped his heart out of his body and his healing factor is not working, he will get back up, even though there is a pipe stuck in his brain, he will commence to kick your @ss even though he just impaled himself through the lungs to get out of that restraint harness.
Your Wolverine hasn't been written that way since his fight with Elektra in the 'Onslaught' storyline. Common Wolverine these days in 1-on-1 fights is Wolverine just charging through the pain hoping his healing factor will bail his a$$ out the whole time. And usually it does. The Wolvie you described would never be beaten. Brain fried, organs torn up, nuked, etc. Wolverine can't be beaten. Superman can't beat Wolverine the way you described except through BFR or ice breath. If that's your point, just stick with it. Then realize how infantile and elementary that point is when Wolverine's been clearly bested by less.
Originally posted by riceroost
You are beaten, you have no point, and your opinions suck.
Bottom-line, my opinions are backed up by sources in comic books. Most of them are very recent. You have not refuted them in the least. Which is smart, because when I call you out on them, you have the lick of sense to shut up and recognize you're owned. You can sing about Wolverine's feats, but in the end, you're a simple Wolvie fanboy who squaks a whole lot but who's gibberish is simply reduced to this: "Wolverine can't be hurt, stunned, slowed down or killed. Therefore Wolverine wins." That opinion doesn't suck. No. It downright "10 dollar whore with herpes sucks my left nut." Argument is over. We've both criticized each other, both hated on each other, I'll let you have the last word in a reply if you want, but you're clearly beaten by the veracity of my supported examples. The only way you'll get any respect out of me, is by addressing the points I made. Otherwise, I declare this thread done with whatever hating reply you manage to conjure up, which most likely will avoid having to address all the examples I've used to support them. It seems from the KMC community its a 50/50 draw between Ult. Cap and Wolverine. I can live with that general consensus. 'Nuff said.