Originally posted by riceroost
Hey, OneDumbG0 - that was ONE DUMB GOd awful fight senario. Wolverine doesn't land a single. a SINGLE hit? Why am I not fuggin surprised??? Bull Fuggin Shit!! And people call me a fanboy!?!? Rediculous.
Thats because you are a fanboy 😉 or must I remind you... 😆 😄
Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine is god. You know, I know it, your Mom knows it, even your avatar knows it.
Originally posted by riceroost
And for the record Wolverine could get to Torch if he was only 50 feet away. Wolverine has jumped 50 feet straight up in a split second, so if Torch was only 50 feet in the air he wouldn't be safe from Wolverine.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I have every appearance of Wolverine you clown shoe. My copy is sitting 5 feet away from me right now in a long box.
Its not fanboyism. I took my cue from New Avengers #5. You should read it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Which is where I assume you get the whole taser idea from. Unfortunately for you in these forums 616 Wolverine operates at peak ability and peak ability for Wolverine means lightning bolts can't even phase him. Considering Spider-Woman's Venom Blast packs about 1/10 the power of a real lightning bolt this would not even remotely harm or slow down Wolverine in any way. There goes your worthless taser theory.
Spiderwoman hits Wolvie in the face with a bioelectric venom blast, thereby stunning him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0If you had read the issue you would know that Wolverine was already in bad shape. He had been in a plane crash and been fighting a small army of mutates for 6 hours before he ever came into contact with Jess and Luke. And if Wolverine had been there to kill her she would have been dead. He had plenty of time to just kill her. And as I've said before he wasn't even bothered by getting stabbed in the neck. He promptly throws her off and would have killed her if not for Cage's interference. And if you had read Bendis' interview you would know the only reason he did this was to pump up Jess since she's his new favorite. An accurate example of them fighting is in House of M where he KOs her with one elbow to the face when she has a gun on him.
She then proceeds to flip him over onto his back and stab him in the neck with his own claws. Wolvie couldn't do anything about it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!!! You do realize that Jessica has SUPER strength dont you? She can lift over 7 tons. Ultimate Cap's super soldier enhanced strength is at best only equal to 616 Wolverine's enhanced mutant strength. Jess is more than 3 times stronger than either of them. She also has SUPER speed, which explains how she could do anything to Wolverine in the first place. Cap has neither her strength, speed, or her enhanced hearing meaning he is incapable of doing to Wolverine what she could only do with writer's favoritism.
Spiderwoman then sat on his chest. Had she not recognized Wolverine, and had she Super Soldier strength, I'd assume she'd start 'piling on the damage.'
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No, my real problem is that you wrote a horrible biased account of the battle in which Wolverine fought like my crippled 97 year old great grandfather instead of one of the worlds's greatest hand to hand fighters.
Your real problem with the scenario I wrote, is that Wolverine won't be affected or stunned or halted in the least bit by any of the actions taken.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0super soldiers are weak dude. No stronger than Wolverine kicking himself. He takes a double handed sledge to the face from Hulk using a Redwood tree and that never slowed him down.
Supersoldier double kick to the gut.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0He's taken a stealth bomber at full speed to the face and not been hurt.
shield clonk to the head.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0electrocutes himself to hurt other people. Takes lighting bolts no problem...
taser stun,.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
fish gutting and grenade blowing in gut.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0All of this piled one after another might hurt him, but it would never get to that. Cap's momentumn would have been halted after the first or second move and Wolverine would have counter attacked. And most of the set-ups for the big damage would definitely not have hurt him. Kick to gut, throat shot, taser? Those 3 attacks Wolverine could easily just plow straight through without even worrying about.
You believe none of this will even give him pause for one second. You're delusional..
If you believe Cap could do all that crap to Wolverine without getting evicerated than you are clearly more delusional than I could ever hope to be.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0And I could and have posted examples of when similar, but more powerful attacks have not hurt him even slightly.
I can post examples of each and every time where such things CAN and HAVE stunned him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0SIGHHHHHHH...
Double kick to gut stuns him? Check (DD nails him with double kick in Wolverine #23).
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Oh really? And how the hell was Wolverine stunned? Was he knocked out? No. Was he lying on his back moaning? No. He was thrown off balance while hit from behind in the back of the head. Cap threw off his jump, that's it. Wow, you proved Cap can cheap shot someone. Good job. Stunned? NO.
Shield clonk to head stuns him? Check (Cap nails him in head with shield toss in New Avengers #6)
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Taser-level electricty stuns him? Check (Wasp's biolelectric blast in Secret Wars #4 or more recently, the aforementioned Spiderwoman 'venom blast' in New Avengers #5).)
In Secret Wars Wasp never used her bio blast on Wolverine. Try reading the book and actually looking at the illustrations next time champ. Wasp kicks Wolverine who trips over Colossus. Wasp only uses her sting on Storm and Prof. X. And considering they were back on their feet in about 2 panels it wouldn't have done squat to Wolverine if she had used it. This was also Secxret Wars, where the X-Men were made to look VERY inexperienced and their ability was downplayed tremendously.
X-Men Vol. 2 # 62: Wolverine sustains a concentrated constant lightning strike from Storm. Wolverine assures her he wont kill Shang-Chi and she stops the lightning. Wolverine is fine afterwards.
Wolverine Vol. 2 # 14: Wolverine punctures an airplane's control panel and electrocutes himself and then shares the charge with a Vampire that was super charged by a cosmic level item into a being with massive regeneration and super human durability. The electric charge momentarily KOs the beast, but Wolverien is completely uneffected by being electrocuted.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I dont give two craps how Deadpool handles grenade blasts.Wolverine has a lot of healing feats that blow away Deadpool;s and you never know what is actually DP's healing and what is his immortality, so he is a bad example.
Grenade blast stuns him? Check (Just check out how f'ed up Deadpool is with his healing ability with a grenade exploding outside his torso rather than inside in Cable/Deadpool #30).
As for the grenade doing any lasting damage, that is not a safe bet either. Wolverine routinely takes point blank 100% power blasts from Cyclops to the gut. (Astonishing X-Men # 1) Cyclops can punch holes in mountains with his optic blast, which is thousands of times more destructive than any hand grenade. Wolverine takes that, plus a 3 story fall and flips back to his feet cracking jokes. In Secret War # 5 Wolverine's heart is exploded in his chest and he's back on his feet, perfectly fine by the next page. Grenade wont stop him. Slow him down maybe, but not enough for Cap to win the fight.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Actually I have provided an example for each of my rebuttles. Look above and be educated.
I'm the one posting examples and you've shown me absolutely NOTHING to say that this stuff WON'T affect Wolverine.).
Originally posted by OneDumbG0And I wonder why that is? This forum is horribly biased against Wolverine and in many cases vote against him even when they know he should win just to spite other Wolverine posters. They and you dont use common sense. Common Sense says Cap can't hurt Wolverine and Wolverine can kill Cap by landing a single trike. That means Wolverine takes the overwealming majority in a straight up fight: 8/10.
It seems from the KMC community its a 50/50 draw between Ult. Cap and Wolverine. I can live with that general consensus. 'Nuff said.
There is only one way Ultimate Cap could pull a 50/50 fight against 616 Wolverine:
Wolverine has no healing factor.
Wolverien has no adamantium skeleton.
Wolverine can't use his claws.
Now Cap can get 5/10 agaisnt Wolverine. Now he can hurt Wolverine and Wolverine can't kill him with a single strike. But 616 Wolverine's higher fighting ability rating (7 to Ult. Cap's 6) levels the playing field. Physically their strength and speed should be about equal.
Originally posted by riceroost
Unfortunately for you in these forums 616 Wolverine operates at peak ability and peak ability for Wolverine means lightning bolts can't even phase him. Considering Spider-Woman's Venom Blast packs about 1/10 the power of a real lightning bolt this would not even remotely harm or slow down Wolverine in any way. There goes your worthless taser theory.
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So wolverine is immune to lightning now eh? 😆
Originally posted by Grimm22He's shown several times to be able to stand up to a full force lightning bolt no problem you chuckling fool. Go read a damn comic and stop giggling over established facts....
So wolverine is immune to lightning now eh?
Like Wolverine cutting Thing wide open!!!
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And as such a measly taser will do nothing to him. Just look at House of M the Day After 1 shot. An FOH member hits Wolverine with an ENHANCED taser. Wolverine gets hit, takes the time to cut down a crucified burning mutant while being electrocuted and then knocks the fool out.
Originally posted by riceroost
And as such a measly taser will do nothing to him. Just look at House of M the Day After 1 shot. An FOH member hits Wolverine with an ENHANCED taser. Wolverine gets hit, takes the time to cut down a crucified burning mutant while being electrocuted and then knocks the fool out.
I thought HOM didn't count because it's not considered canon. 🙄
I guess than it's safe to use the evidence of Black Panther wrecking and embarassing Sabretooth then, eh?
Originally posted by Metalmanx......
I thought HOM didn't count because it's not considered canon. 🙄I guess than it's safe to use the evidence of Black Panther wrecking and embarassing Sabretooth then, eh?
It's from House of M: THE DAY AFTER. If you had actually bothered to read the book you would know it takes place AFTER HOM, hence the subtitle "THE DAY AFTER". It's in continuity big guy.
When I saw this forum the first thing that came to my mind was
Fanboy War!!!!
That being said, I have to tell you something.
riceroost-Ult. Cap actually has Spiderman level strength. Doesn't matter much to Wolverine when he has his healing faactor, is fighting to win, and Cap being not as fast as Spidey, but just to let you know.
OneDumbG0-you are referencing Deadpool being 'effed up by a grenade, but you forget that he doesn't have the luxury of an adamantium skeleton holding together his body and the protection (however small) it grants to Wolverine's organs.
As a huge Ult Cap fan with most of his comics, and his respect thread on Comicvine I am on the fence as far who could win. Ultimate Cap can indeed win. He is as skilled, stronger, as fast, more durable, and has less morals. He also regularly uses guns and grenades with his shield.
Plus he has a 2-0 record against Ultimate Wolverine who is by feats as impressive as 616, only with better high end healing feats.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
As a huge Ult Cap fan with most of his comics, and his respect thread on Comicvine I am on the fence as far who could win. Ultimate Cap can indeed win. He is as skilled, stronger, as fast, more durable, and has less morals. He also regularly uses guns and grenades with his shield.Plus he has a 2-0 record against Ultimate Wolverine who is by feats as impressive as 616, only with better high end healing feats.
Originally posted by GroggyGrunt
Wait, Ultimate Cap is in the 10-ton range now? WTF happened?
We never got a statement of his strength level. What we do have is feats of tanking 100+ toner hits consistently with little to no damage for durability. We also have feats that show consistently in the 5 ton range. He also has many consistent feats of seriously harming 100+ toners with strikes too. He raw strength wise matches Ultimate Spider Man in lock up. Also his bio shows his strength as a 4 in power rating. Meaning he is in the same power rating range of 616 Spider Man or 616 Green Goblin. He was meant to be pretty tough like WW2 era Cap.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
We never got a statement of his strength level. What we do have is feats of tanking 100+ toner hits consistently with little to no damage for durability. We also have feats that show consistently in the 5 ton range. He also has many consistent feats of seriously harming 100+ toners with strikes too. He raw strength wise matches Ultimate Spider Man in lock up. Also his bio shows his strength as a 4 in power rating. Meaning he is in the same power rating range of 616 Spider Man or 616 Green Goblin. He was meant to be pretty tough like WW2 era Cap.
Feats-wise, I didn't know we were talking about Ultimate Spider-Man. 616 Spider-Man-wise, I didn't know we were talking about bios. I'm a bit confused.
My mistake, there are certain heroes that I always default to the classic versions for, as opposed to current versions as the forum rules stipulate. 616 Spider-Man can basically be described the same as you have described Cap, except you'd have to notch up all the numbers rather significantly.
Originally posted by GroggyGrunt
Feats-wise, I didn't know we were talking about Ultimate Spider-Man. 616 Spider-Man-wise, I didn't know we were talking about bios. I'm a bit confused.My mistake, there are certain heroes that I always default to the classic versions for, as opposed to current versions as the forum rules stipulate. 616 Spider-Man can basically be described the same as you have described Cap, except you'd have to notch up all the numbers rather significantly.
If your confused on versions, then know this about Ultimate Marvel characters. They exist in a different Universe and have different lives than 616. Ultimate Cap is rather different than 616 Cap in many ways. Including stats. Also unlike 616 Cap ultimate Cap carries guns and grenades a lot into fights.