Can the Silver Surfer beat Superman?

Originally posted by thesilverspider
Well not surfer if others agree or not.
Looking at the list only Strange and Thor wouldn't be considered cosmic by my definition.Maybe they are maybe not depends on what others think is cosmic or not.

Hence is the problem. Cosmic is a vague term. Nobody is really in much of a position to say if someone is cosmic or not. You could argue that someone is cosmic because of their power level (in which case everybody on my list is cosmic), their powersets (in which case Superman, Thor and Quasar aren't cosmic), their power nature (in which case the magic beings aren't cosmic), or their power source (in which case Thor, Odin and GL aren't cosmic).

Originally posted by Scoobless
"[b]cos·mic

Of or relating to the universe, especially as distinct from Earth.
Infinitely or inconceivably extended; vast: “a coming together of heads of government to take up the cosmic business of nations” (Meg Greenfield)."

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cosmic

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Quiet, you!

Originally posted by thesilverspider
Well that's not "Thor" That's "Warrior madness Thor" see the difference
Like "Sun-dipped superman" is different then "superman" Yes they are still the same person but their powers are greaty amped.

Why don't you post why Surfer can't beat superman. 😉

I don't think Surfer can beat Superman now. Energy absorbtion is useless now since his body abosrbs it so fast now, Kryptonite doesn't exsist in the Marvel universe (and if it did, Superman has dealt with it before, Lex is a good example), I think Supes is physically stronger, he fights faster, and could counter most of Surfer's energy blasts with his own. 🙂

Warrior Madness is still Thor though, it's not like he fled from battle.

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Warrior Madness is still Thor though, it's not like he fled from battle. [/B]

Comparing thor with wm thor is like comparing bruce banner with the hulk. Beating, or getting beaten, by one form literally tells us nothing about how one would do against the other.

Originally posted by dvampire
I don't think Surfer can beat Superman now. Energy absorbtion is useless now since his body abosrbs so fast, Kryptonite doesn't exsist in the Marvel universe (and if it did, Superman has dealt with it before, Lex is a good example), I think Supes is physically stronger, he fights faster, and could counter most of Surfer's energy blasts with his own. 🙂

Warrior Madness is still Thor though, it's not like he fled from battle.

Originally posted by slade10
Comparing thor with wm thor is like comparing bruce banner with the hulk. Beating, or getting beaten, by one form literally tells us nothing about how one would do against the other.

It's still Thor. 😕 When Thor was fighting Hulk, he was losing, but as the fight went on, he went into WM. There was no prep time in between battle, it's not like Superman when he goes to take a sundip. 🙂

Originally posted by thesilverspider
It doesn't matter if K-nite exist in the MU or not.Surfer uses his cosmic awareness to detect it and he shoots A blast with the same frequency as the k-nite radiation.Even without the weakness surfer is to much for supes.................. 😉

And again I said, with or without Kryptonite, Superman has dealt with it before.

Without the weakness, Surfer will lose even faster. 😉

Originally posted by dvampire
And again I said, with or without Kryptonite, Superman has dealt with it before.

Without the weakness, Surfer will lose even faster. 😉

Originally posted by dvampire
And again I said, with or without Kryptonite, Superman has dealt with it before.

Without the weakness, Surfer will lose even faster. 😉

you're funny

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Originally posted by thesilverspider
Well in your eyes supes is the strongest mother****er alive so trying to make you think otherwise is impossible............. 🙁

Nope. Try bringing an arguement next time.

People who I think can beat Superman:

1. Mr. Majestic

2. Dr. Strange

3. Orion

4. Captain Marvel

There's more, but I'll leave it at that. Now stop being bitter and bring an arguement please. 🙂

Originally posted by Scoobless
you're funny

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Indeed, to bad you havn't done anything to counter it! 😆

Originally posted by dvampire
Indeed, to bad you havn't done anything to counter it! 😆

Simple, Surfer could tell by "scanning" Gladiator that he has a weakness to a specific wavelength of radiation..... he can do the same to Superman and hit him with it

and Kryptonite does exist in the MU .... or at least Kryptonite radiation exists within the MU - Radioactive Man can reproduce it so it must

not forgetting that Surfer would also be able to use red sun radiation

maybe he'll get lucky and someone will save him ..... again!

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..... Of course Surfer is indestructible and has more than enough firepower to KO Superman..... but this all just speeds it up

EDIT: also note the bottom left of the scanned page..... 😄

Originally posted by dvampire
Nope. Try bringing an arguement next time.

People who I think can beat Superman:

1. Mr. Majestic

2. Dr. Strange

3. Orion

4. Captain Marvel

There's more, but I'll leave it at that. Now stop being bitter and bring an arguement please. 🙂

Just face it Surfer is well beyond supes in many aspects.Supes has only one advantage on Surfer and that's physical strength.What good is strength when you can't lay a finger on the person you're fighting.You're gonna come with the same half ass argument that surfer doesn't fight at light speeds.Of course he's not gonna be written to his full extent then he wouldn't have any challenge what's so ever.Surfer suffers from CIS almost as much as Flash and any Green lantern.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Simple, Surfer could tell by "scanning" Gladiator that he has a weakness to a specific wavelength of radiation..... he can do the same to Superman and hit him with it

and Kryptonite does exist in the MU .... or at least Kryptonite radiation exists within the MU - Radioactive Man can reproduce it so it must

not forgetting that Surfer would also be able to use red sun radiation

maybe he'll get lucky and someone will save him ..... again!

🙂

..... Of course Surfer is indestructible and has more than enough firepower to KO Superman..... but this all just speeds it up

Originally posted by demigawd
Hence is the problem. Cosmic is a vague term. Nobody is really in much of a position to say if someone is cosmic or not. You could argue that someone is cosmic because of their power level (in which case everybody on my list is cosmic), their powersets (in which case Superman, Thor and Quasar aren't cosmic), their power nature (in which case the magic beings aren't cosmic), or their power source (in which case Thor, Odin and GL aren't cosmic).

A "cosmic" is a being whose sphere of operations is, minimally, interstellar and as such possesses the power necessary to operate in this theater, a power based on physics.

If you have interstellar-level power, but it's not based on physics, in my book you are not a cosmic. You may be capable of cosmic-scale or cosmic-like operations, but strictly speaking, a cosmic u aint.
If your power is based on physics, but you're not "star-worthy," you're not a cosmic. Even if you can operate nicely within a star system, a cosmic u aint.

The Silver Surfer is a cosmic because he has power based on physics which allows him to function on an interstellar scale.
Superman has the potential to be a (short-term) cosmic. His power is based on physics, but he is not capable of starflight...unless (I'm presuming) he sundips. Even then, it's temporary.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Simple, Surfer could tell by "scanning" Gladiator that he has a weakness to a specific wavelength of radiation..... he can do the same to Superman and hit him with it

and Kryptonite does exist in the MU .... or at least Kryptonite radiation exists within the MU - Radioactive Man can reproduce it so it must

not forgetting that Surfer would also be able to use red sun radiation

maybe he'll get lucky and someone will save him ..... again!

🙂

..... Of course Surfer is indestructible and has more than enough firepower to KO Superman..... but this all just speeds it up

Wow, your using crossovers now! But that scan also proves that Superman doesn't go down to red sunlight and Krytonite that easy like I said. "Kryptonite doesn't exsist in the Marvel universe (and if it did, Superman has dealt with it before, Lex is a good example)". This isn't just going to be a energy blasts fight, Superman can counter most of Surfer blasts with his own energy attacks, he has long attacks too, and I think he's superior in close combat. 🙂

Originally posted by thesilverspider
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He failed! 😄

Indeed, Orion would put a whippin' on Superman.

Superman's powerset isn't powerful enough to handle cosmics without PIS/CIS.

Heat vision: Won't do much against a being who can handle stars exploding without a scratch. It's next to useless, it would only serve to push SS back a little.

Ice Breath: Useless against someone who spends his entire life in space where there is little heat if any. SS has been able to handle Absolute Zero.

Midlevel speed: Superman can't fight at lightspeed. He can fly, but there's really no proof he can fight at that speed...only at really high speeds. Surfer can fight at the same speed as Superman and fly hundreds of times faster.

High level Durability: Superman's durability is high, but not higher than Surfer's.

High level strength: Useless against someone who is nearly as strong, just as durable and 100x faster.

....That's all superman has. The rest is passive powers.

Surfer has:
Low end Time manipulation.
High end Molecular Manipulation.
High end Energy control/Manipulation.
High end blasts.
Mid-high end Telepathy.
mid level TK.

Superman couldn't win 2/10

Originally posted by long pig
Indeed, Orion would put a whippin' on Superman.

Superman's powerset isn't powerful enough to handle cosmics without PIS/CIS.

Heat vision: Won't do much against a being who can handle stars exploding without a scratch. It's next to useless, it would only serve to push SS back a little.

Ice Breath: Useless against someone who spends his entire life in space where there is little heat if any. SS has been able to handle Absolute Zero.

Midlevel speed: Superman can't fight at lightspeed. He can fly, but there's really no proof he can fight at that speed...only at really high speeds. Surfer can fight at the same speed as Superman and fly hundreds of times faster.

High level Durability: Superman's durability is high, but not higher than Surfer's.

High level strength: Useless against someone who is nearly as strong, just as durable and 100x faster.

....That's all superman has. The rest is passive powers.

Surfer has:
Low end Time manipulation.
High end Molecular Manipulation.
High end Energy control/Manipulation.
High end blasts.
Mid-high end Telepathy.
mid level TK.

Superman couldn't win 2/10

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I tell ya', it's embarrasing sometimes to see the lengths at which Superman fanboys go to defend MY favorite character. Alas, even I know when he's facing a superior opponent.

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Originally posted by dvampire
But that scan also proves that Superman doesn't go down to red sunlight and Krytonite that easy

are you on crack?.... as soon as he gets hit with it he drops to the floor and can't defend himself

look again:

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Originally posted by dvampire
Superman can counter most of Surfer blasts with his own energy attacks

ok.... now i know you're on crack

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