X-men vs FF

is that some kind of Rule or something? She has attacked whole teams in the past, hordes of Skrulls, Doombots, etc. Why not these X-Men? She can punch a hole through Galactus's chest, make the whole planet Earth invisible, shatter the armor of Exitar and destroy his brain; you are underestimating IW.

Wolverine not knocked out by Nova flame? U have serious issues. Wolverine's skin is no more durable than yours or mine. Every once of flesh on his body would be vaporized instantly. Torch has burned a hole straight to the core of the planet and caused the Earth to expand, Burned a hole through the planet Mars, Wolverine is out of his league...every cell, every organic molecule in his body will vaporize and he will die!!!....just be a skelaton like in Hulk's Future Imperfect, granted that he doesnt melt that too.

u do understand wolverien skin is more durable then a normal humans he just not bullet proof. his boneswith out metal are far more denser then a normal humans also. by the way this is comic u most under stand does not fallow same logic as real life.
wolverien was quite fine after havok who was less then a foot away from him unleash a full exstent of his power at once. which totaly destroyed the biulding they were in.
who castle full of gas blow up with wolverine in the middle he easlily survive.
nuke fell right on him he easlily survived. andriod incencrated wolverin body all that was left was skeleton he survived that as well.
from comic evidence wolverine would clearly survive.

um...thats pretty marginal. Titanium Steel Alloy would vaporize at 1,000,000 degrees....Torch's hottest flame is an unknown temp higher. Havok is not the Torch. Wolverine was fine in that instance, so was the material around them. Torch's best Nova blast could destroy a moon. Against Exitar he unleashed enough nova flame to vaporize a hemisphere! Wolverine is outclassed. Wolverine never came back from a skeleton under his own power in a continuity issue. And in this case he would have no cells, no protien to synthesize...HE WOULD CLEARLY BE DEAD.

venom on the run he did it and mighty fast actauly. oh by the way when havok did do that blast the whole biulding was gone there was nuthing left of hit. oh hovak normal blasts are hotter then the outer layer of the sun. full power blast no telling how hot it was. so yes wolverine would survive a nova.

Its obviously not that hot. If it were Torch going Nova much more than a castle would be getting scorched. Agasint Exitar the narrator explicitely said Torch could have destroyed a hemisphere...Wolverine's outclassed. Venom on the run wasnt continuity and u know it. And Black Panther kicks wolverine's short @ss.

first off the castle one was full of gas and blow up that had nuthing to do with havok. I havok destroyed a good part of the citty with wolverine with wolverien standing next to him when he let out all his power. balck panther is out classed by wolverine it a joke to think other wise

No not really...Black Panther is first class...wolverine is street level crimefighter. U know u might have had an argument but u've revealed your clear bias. U think Havok can produce the same destruction as the torch. Somehow a castle = a hemisphere to u. And wolverine outclasses Black Panther? hmm...last time I checked, T'Challa was one of the most brilliant humans on Earth...Wolverine's an old canadian farmer.

If they fight relying on their powers alone the X-Men win.

wynnder first off no. I said havok destroyed haft a city. second wolverine is A class he. black panthe ru could put on street level but wolverien no way wolverine in every way but intel is superior to panther.
wynnder u trying to say a dude who has gone toe to toe with hulk on some many occassions is street level? when has black panther ever given any one near hulks strength level a fight

Originally posted by wolverine8888
wynnder first off no. I said havok destroyed haft a city. second wolverine is A class he. black panthe ru could put on street level but wolverien no way wolverine in every way but intel is superior to panther.
wynnder u trying to say a dude who has gone toe to toe with hulk on some many occassions is street level? when has black panther ever given any one near hulks strength level a fight

Black Panther has beaten Magneto, Namor, Ironman, Dr. Doom,the Fantastic Four...oh wait...Wolverine too...has his own defense against Galactus...Jeez....Wolverine has a plaid shirt and a pair of Wranglers...

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If they fight relying on their powers alone the X-Men win.

Please Elaborate, Each member of the F4 has higher showings than each member of this XM team, they also have more impressive individual and team victories. Oh and each one has more powerful abilities.

Are we still trying to assert that Invisible Woman or Human Torch can act faster than telepathy?

And why in the hell would Reed have a weapon that would somehow hurt Shadowcat in a non-prep fight?

Shadowcat makes Emma Frost intangible. Emma Frost uses Human Torch, Thing and Reed Richards to kill Invisible Woman and then shuts off the remaining FF's minds.

Wolverine8888 I agree with you that Logan could survive a Nova blast but that is if shadowcat makes him go intangible otherwise hes screwed. You also said that IW could only attack one person at a time this is untrue she could attack every x-man at once, except for possibly Shadowcat, it depends........

As for those who said Cyclops could take Torch out, yes he could but that is assuming those two are fighting each other, cyclops might be fighting Reed or ben or sue. I just said Sue and emma have to fight and colossus and Thing. Any members of the FF or X-men can help their teamates out...........

Originally posted by armandovalles
FF wins. Invisible Woman traps all the X-Men in a forcefield with Johnny who goes Supernova, killing them all except Colossus, since he could probly take the heat, and Wolverine, who'd heal from it. Then Invisible Woman puts a bubble around Wolverine's head, cutting off his air supply while Ben pounds on him, knocking him out quickly whie Reed and Johnny hold off Colossus. Then it's the FF vs Colossus, Colossus is screwed.

Is everyone underestimating torchs nova flame? The old official handbook from the 80's said torch can go up to 1,000,000 degrees. Over the years just like the other ff he has gotten stronger or more skilled he can mostlikely go hotter than that in order to penetrate the core of earth. Colossus melts some where around 12,000 according to c17 or metalman which ever has that book. Wolverine would NOT heal from that. Havok averages around 50,000 degrees this is 1,000,000+.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
no no he wouldent. he was right next to havok when havok let all his power out at once and wolverine was not even paying attention and he was fine but he did get nocked out but that was because he got hit in the back full force from it when he was not watching because some one was controling havok bod and havok just all of a sudden let it all out.(the blast destroyed the biulding they were in fully). wolverine survived also a direct hit from a nuke befor. he survived a whole castle full of gas with him in the middle of it blowing up. there are many other examples byt u get the piont wolverine will survive it

Wolverine would NOT heal from that. Havok averages around 50,000 degrees this is 1,000,000+.

No one on either team would survive a nova flame with the exception of IW.

wynndar no black panther has never beaten wolverine. if u call that little throw a win u are quite stupid. that like saying captain america hit thor in the head with his shield so captain one the fight.
First contest of champions BP fought wolverine and wolverine would of killed him if not thing came.
also since u obviosly wrong about black panther ever beating wolverine then I gunna assume him beating namor.magneto are both bull shit too.
any ways if u dident know wolverine beat namor in 30 seconds last time they fought.

wolverine8888, Havok's blast can level a city at full force, if not more.
Wolverine going through one of his blasts, was mere crap writing.
Since when Wolverine has invulnerability?
Since when a blast that can level a small mountain cannot phase Logan?
xmark Emma has human reaction time and reflexes.
Fight begin, she try to telepathy control one of the FF4, meanwhile, Torch can easy fry her, or Reed can punch her and knock her uncoscious.
A small injury like a stone in the head, make Emma unable to perform even crowd control during an attack against mutants made from civilians.She'll go down fast and easy.

no he got hurt but he lived was up a couple pannels later

Originally posted by life is cruell
Is everyone underestimating torchs nova flame? The old official handbook from the 80's said torch can go up to 1,000,000 degrees. Over the years just like the other ff he has gotten stronger or more skilled he can mostlikely go hotter than that in order to penetrate the core of earth. Colossus melts some where around 12,000 according to c17 or metalman which ever has that book. Wolverine would NOT heal from that. Havok averages around 50,000 degrees this is 1,000,000 .

Originally posted by K3VIL
xmark Emma has human reaction time and reflexes.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Fight begin, she try to telepathy control one of the FF4, meanwhile, Torch can easy fry her, or Reed can punch her and knock her uncoscious.
A small injury like a stone in the head, make Emma unable to perform even crowd control during an attack against mutants made from civilians.She'll go down fast and easy.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
One million degrees Fahrenheit is the limit if I recall which is roughly 500,000 Kelvin. Shadowcat phased survived the heat of a nuclear explosion at the very epicentre where temperatures reach tens of millions Kelvin.

I'm well aware and as much as I like the FF logically I have to go with the x-men. I wouldnt even consider torch going nova in this fight because i like to stay within character just fighting to the best of their ability in this case he really wouldnt need to go nova.

oh if what xmark said is true then wolverine would deffently survive seeign how he took a direct hit form a nuke and lived.

Originally posted by willRules
If torch goes supernova then logan is screwed, unless shadowcat helps out there..........anway logan may not (and in fact due to his lack of range attacks) fight the Torch who is literally outof reach. Logan is also screwed if he fights IW. She could kill him but she doesnt need to when she can knock him out for the fight........

torch can't go super nova. he would kill his whole team.