F4 fanboys!
xmarksthespot has put forth the most likely solution. shadowcat turns emma intangible (which she likely wouldn't even need to do, considering that holding the opinion sue>faster>emma is a defiance of all logic). colossus could at the very least stalemate thing, and with beast it's no contest: thing is going down.
that leaves torch and reed against emma, beast, shadowcat, cyclops, colossus...you get the idea.
aside from the fact that shadowcat cannot be harmed by any of the F4.
Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee
F4 fanboys!xmarksthespot has put forth the most likely solution. shadowcat turns emma intangible (which she likely wouldn't even need to do, considering that holding the opinion sue>faster>emma is a defiance of all logic). colossus could at the very least stalemate thing, and with beast it's no contest: thing is going down.
that leaves torch and reed against emma, beast, shadowcat, cyclops, colossus...you get the idea.
aside from the fact that shadowcat cannot be harmed by any of the F4.
That's a good strategy. Except that ur ignoring the fact that IW can not only block telepathy (demonstrated by her fight with Psi-Lord) but Reed has provided the F4 with telepathy blocking technology in their costumes i.e. their "fight" with X-Man. But that is good thinking.
Torch's Supernova is said to produce an omnidirectional blast of heat surpassing 1,000,000 degrees. A focused Nova blast reaches unknown extremes however. More recently, its been stated that Torch can match a small star, destroy a moon, and vaporize a hemisphere. This kind of power would make short work of any of these X-Men, including Wolverine. Shadowcat would survive but by herself she's not much of a threat, considering any memeber of the F4 can avoid her and IW could also arguably repel her.
Telepathy-blocking technology all the time? Sounds a lot like prep/plot device to me. Oh and in the "fight" that you like to refer to in order to make some kind of spurious assumption that Sue's powers somehow act faster than telepathy, telepathy seems to affect her and the other FF just fine - within her forcefield.
Torch's nova-level flame has been stated to reach 1,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit (I specifically say Fahrenheit because temperatures in Fahrenheit hyperbolize SI unit temperature) and using it has been stated to exhaust him.
Shadowcat can phase more than just herself. And there is more evidence of her being able to pass through Sue's forcefield than to the contrary.
Well thats the scope of understanding u have of IW. Her fields r not generic. Each one is specific to the task at hand and she can produce a field for blocking telepathy... She makes fields that are soft or porous for catching people, fields that are sound proof so she wont be detected, fields that allow sound so she can communicate through them, fields that do or do not allow in heat, fields that dont even allow LIGHT itself through. And yes, even fields for blocking telepathy; i dont think there is a better example than her fighting Psi-Lord. She can also produce a resonance and attack phasing individuals.
Why is anti-telepathy a plot device? If all it took to beat the F4 was a mediocre telepath dont u think Dr Doom would have simply used a morlock to fight the F4 rather than elaborate schemes which involved freeing Tryos, nursing him back to health, and then empowering him with the powercosmic; or stealing and amplifying the power of a Watcher and taking the F4 head on?
Practically everyone in the MU has access to anti telepath tech these days and yet the most technologically advanced super team on Earth should only have it as a plot device?
She can cover their skin in a forcefield....she routinely has one around her skin at all time in case Dr.Doom, Skrulls, Mad Thinker, etc. try a sneak attack. She covered Reed's skin in a forcefield when he fought Grey Gargoyle and was so tactful about it neither Reed or GG knew he had it until Gragoyle grabbed Reed's face.
"She routinely has one around her skin at all times"? Sue Richards is secretly Superman?
Human Torch's heat is self-generated. A skin-tight forcefield that allows heat through but not telepathy. As well as allowing the propulsive forces in order to fly out and the oxygen to sustain HT's life and any flames in and the forcefield allows CO2 out.
Thing attacks via physical force. A skin-tight forcefield that allows force out but not in and that allows air in and out and blocks telepathy.
Reed stretches and Invisible Woman expands the forcefield to exactly the right shape, and this forcefield also blocks telepathy while allowing oxygen in and out, force out, and preventing force from coming in.
Meanwhile she also has to put up a skin-tight forcefield that allows oxygen in, CO2 out, and prevents telepathy and force from entering.
She does all this simultaneously before Emma Frost can use telepathy... methinks your somewhat stretching.
in this fight there are only 2 things to worry about
1) If human torch has to he will go supernova and that will take out all the x men
2) I dont know if any of the ff will be able to take out shadow cat and all she has to do is just start phasing threw people and she could take out the whole team.
So I think im going to have to go with the x men on this one just because of shadow cat
Originally posted by Wynndar
Well thats the scope of understanding u have of IW. Her fields r not generic. Each one is specific to the task at hand and she can produce a field for blocking telepathy... She makes fields that are soft or porous for catching people, fields that are sound proof so she wont be detected, fields that allow sound so she can communicate through them, fields that do or do not allow in heat, fields that dont even allow LIGHT itself through. And yes, even fields for blocking telepathy; i dont think there is a better example than her fighting Psi-Lord. She can also produce a resonance and attack phasing individuals.Why is anti-telepathy a plot device? If all it took to beat the F4 was a mediocre telepath dont u think Dr Doom would have simply used a morlock to fight the F4 rather than elaborate schemes which involved freeing Tryos, nursing him back to health, and then empowering him with the powercosmic; or stealing and amplifying the power of a Watcher and taking the F4 head on?
Practically everyone in the MU has access to anti telepath tech these days and yet the most technologically advanced super team on Earth should only have it as a plot device?
Wow. Those light-blocking forcefields must be pretty dark inside.
Just thought I'd mention that. I'm also under the assumption that Shadowcat can indeed phase through IW's forcefield. Since, you know, she breaks down into atoms and such to phase through things.
I agree with earlier statement, I think Shadowcat could indeed take out the entire Fantastic Four herself.
She isn't just putting up a forcefield around Reed. She's doing this.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAll before Emma Frost can use telepathy. Because she's Flash-in-drag. As well as having a Superman biofield.
Human Torch's heat is self-generated. A skin-tight forcefield that allows heat through but not telepathy. As well as allowing the propulsive forces in order to fly out and the oxygen to sustain HT's life and any flames in and the forcefield allows CO2 out.
Thing attacks via physical force. A skin-tight forcefield that allows force out but not in and that allows air in and out and blocks telepathy.
Reed stretches and Invisible Woman expands the forcefield to exactly the right shape, and this forcefield also blocks telepathy while allowing oxygen in and out, force out, and preventing force from coming in.
Meanwhile she also has to put up a skin-tight forcefield that allows oxygen in, CO2 out, and prevents telepathy and force from entering around herself.
Shadowcat can phase through matter, energy and force. So what exactly do you propose Invisible Woman's fields are made of?
your seriously doubting her forcefield, if most cosmic powers/evil geniouses can't solve the field, i don't think she will. Yes they do have anti-telepathic tech, can't remember the issue, and storm only ever goes nova as last resort. I think either team can win with proper writing. Thing and colossus would be a fun fight to watch even though some people think stalemates are boring. I think unless torch gets hit right off, he owns cyclops. He has the agility of spiderman in the air when he is on his game. I think the dynamic of the team is sue/reed because i think as a strategist IW would put a shield around them to give him time to formulate a plan while the others are trying to get in, i like it when she puts up a hundred shields as layers.
A resonance from hyperspace.
Im not implying she has to do all that, She could either protect the team until Emma is delt with. And thats only assuming the F4 dont have telepathy blocking tech...which they do.
Both strategies, IW protecting the whole F4 and making them invulnerable while Torch Nova blasts the X-Men, and Emma mind wiping the F4 and Kitty phasing them to death, are cheap idealistic arguments.
I think the F4 would out last the X-Men in a straight up realistic battle.