"It is a barbaric and needless sentance. Murder is lame but my point is, don't condemn it then commit it. Justifiable homicide is self defence, you're not defending anyone potentially by giving a guy the chair."
You are defending possible future victims of the murderer. As I said, killing a killer is the only way to insure they won't kill again. It sucks, but it's true. And like I said, I'm not going to whine over some worthless murderer dying. Has nothing to do with me.
"So, a man who has motive for murder (not justifying it) kills a man. So the government, with no motive for murder other than trying to cover up how shit their justice system is, kills him."
Again, their motive is a just punishment and the insure that said man won't kill another innocent person.
Again, I'm not saying every single person who commits murder should be executed. I'm saying in the extreme cases, like people who kill numerous people in horrible ways, such as Gacy or Bundy, should get it. They are the extreme cases. I don't think some guy who kills someone in a fit of rage should get it, not by a long shot. There's a difference between the two.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Yes I thinks its ok to kill a murderer, he didn't give taht choice to his victim, and personallly i like the idea of ridding the world of scum that doesn't serve any great purpose in life except for bad things."I'm not saying murder is right. Yes they deserve to be punished but it's hypocritical and wrong to say "Right you, you committed murder which is SO wrong. So erm....we're murdering you." It's like a kid throws a stone and it hits another kid in the face in the schoolyard. It's better for that kid to go and tell someone so that the other kid misses his lunch break or gets detention rather than throw it back and do the same thing. You are letting emotion overcome logic and common sense.
"Its like putting down a dog with rabis or a dog that is really mean and attacks a young girl"
Do you put down people with AIDS? No. Sit down. Dogs aren't mean for attacking girls. Sharks aren't mean for attacking people. People attack people all the time. It's life. As long as there's free will in all sentient beings there will be conflict.
"hypocrits? please, its strict justice, you kill someone, well we are gonna kill you, because well, your scum and serve no prupose in life."
So you don't think it's hypocritical to murder someone because you believe murder to be evil? If this is the case then you are an idiot. I don't mean that in an overly offensive way, it's just fact should that be the case.
"exactly my point, im not defending the murders, read my posts, your defending the murders. Your right its not fair, not fair to the families of the victim to have the MURDERER live but not the innocent person."
I'm not defending the murders or the murderers. I'm just saying that the death penalty is dumb. Because....like...it is:
"We think Murder is wrong. So whoever does it will be murdered."
Yeah, real justice in action there buddy.
-AC
Re-read my friggen point and stop taking out what I said out of context. Ok i will say it slower, WHEEENN the person murders someone, he is NOT INNOCENT (by my standards at least) and it is not MURDER to kill a murderer since the murderer is not innocent. And prison is much more to the liking of a murderer, why do they all appeal to get life then? BECAUSE its more appealing. Some times we gotta take the loll-pop outta of our mouths, stop acting like we are so perfect and send a few more of the inhuman sick people into the ground. They serve no point in life except to hurt others and kill them, is it not logical to take out he who kills INNNNOOOOCCCEEEENNNNTTTTT people? Instead of paying hsi way for 3 meals a day and other recreation. Death makes people scared which is why they argue for life, so i guess they prefer life. So if you want to play the whole 'life in prison is more torturing' it doesn't fly. Rationality went out the door when he killed someone. I just do not beleive that most of you do not realize the sickness of killing an innocent, harmless person, which is the EXACT opposite of murderers. And again, i am only for the death penalty is the crime is henious enough and there is sold concrete evidence.
"As I said, killing a killer is the only way to insure they won't kill again. It sucks, but it's true. And like I said, I'm not going to whine over some worthless murderer dying. Has nothing to do with me."
Then why go out of your way to make sure he is killed? Killing a killer is the only way to make sure they wont kill again? BS. Because if the justice system was better (which it can be) then there would be no need for it. If of course Life sentance meant what it says. The justice system suck so they cover up their faults by killing the murderer. Besides, who are the government to decide that someone officially lives or dies? That's as calculated a murder as you can possibly get. It's not about whining over the death of a murderer. I'm just saying, if you believe in sanctity of life then you believe it for all ages, persuasions and situations. Otherwise you are just being hypocritical.
"I'm saying in the extreme cases, like people who kill numerous people in horrible ways"
Then George Bush, most other governments and the entire armies of the world would get the chair.
"I only care about the fact that once they're dead they can never murder another innocent human being again."
Yes but why is it your problem? As long as you or your loved ones are not harmed you have absolutely no reason to worry about it.
"WHEEENN the person murders someone, he is NOT INNOCENT (by my standards at least) and it is not MURDER to kill a murderer since the murderer is not innocent."
Since when did Murder apply only if the human was innocent? If it comes on the news "Man murders woman". How do you know that the woman has no criminal record? Never shoplifted? Never committed any kind of crime? You don't. If by innocent you mean that they didn't do anything to deserve it, then shit happens. My aunt didn't deserve to get cancer and pass away but she did. That's life. As long as there is free will and humans to use and abuse it, murder will happen.
"And prison is much more to the liking of a murderer, why do they all appeal to get life then? BECAUSE its more appealing. "
You think that if prisons were harsh and unforgiving and life sentances were just that, prisoners would like it? I don't think so. Sadly in this day and age yes, it's better because it's easy to get out. However, it doesn't mean that the death penalty is necessary just because they justice system sucks. Instead of whiting out all the errors, iron them out and correct them.
"Some times we gotta take the loll-pop outta of our mouths, stop acting like we are so perfect and send a few more of the inhuman sick people into the ground. They serve no point in life except to hurt others and kill them, is it not logical to take out he who kills"
You're talking to a guy who hates the human race, so don't act like I have a sanctity of life complex here. I hate hypocricy, which is what the Death Penalty is. They serve no point other than to hurt others huh? So lets say Bill Gates committed murder. Give him the Death Penalty? He has a purpose here, maybe he murdered coz he just wanted to. What mark have you made on the world that puts you out of the pointless life ring then? None. So before you claim who is worthless and who isn't, think. I agree there's needless people whos deaths wouldn't bother me in the least. However, you are saying that they should purposely be put into the ground for being useless. What if a murderer had your view but actually did something about it? Those are the people you claim should be killed. You are such a contradiction.
I, however, rule.
-AC
Man, you talk like changing the prison system, and rehibilation structure is very simple. Each state has their own polocies on prisons. Refining the rehibilitation structure is somthing that is being focused on, it has been focused on heavily for the last decade. Changing the prisons and way they are taught within them costs the TAX payer alot of money. Prisons period cost alot of money. This country is going through enough hurles for the goverment to give any grants away to rehibilitating criminals. Prisons life and security has changed a great deal, atleast from what i read and hear from my Uncle who is a police officer.
Many state prisoners have rights to books, radio, drug rehab counselos three times a week.Education furtherment. Driving classes. Economy 101,and better living classes. These are just a few things they have at their disposal.shit i had to work and pay for all of those things their getting for free. Rehibilitation is somthing that is wanted NOT forced. you cannot force a criminal mind to change, it changes by free will. If these people truly want to change, they have more, MORE than enough mediums to go through to change theirselves. Instead they keep playing "the drug game" even in prison. they stay in gangs in prison and most of the times come out even more pissed off than before they went in, but this time they will do ANYTHING to not go back to prison. The rehibilitation structure is fine. These people already get more offered to them in prison than most people get offered in their entire lives. It isnt prisons that need to change, just some more laws.