Originally posted by PVS
no, the intention is more: "judge them quickly and hang ASAP".
to which i have to ask, "whats the rush?"
Serve the revenge quicker? So that public thinks that someone is doing something about ''it''?
Death Penalty is disturbing - noone actually agrees yet as to why it is implemented for, deterrance or revenge or some other radnom reason noone thought of yet.
Not to mention that the difficulty of deciding what is worth a death penalty highly rests upon judges own thoughts and prejudices...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The reason I say that, Milla, is because if they appeal and evidence says "Oh yeah, he's actually innocent." then what do the courts say?"Shit, he could be dead in a few years, and we'd have been wrong."
Lest we forget, not all appeals are successful, even if the man is actually innocent.
-AC
I know, I concured.
As you said, 1% error margin is just too much.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's the problem, there are no facts. You can only ever be 99% sure, and when you are dealing with a human life (because you will be dealing out, in the event there is no afterlife, eternal death) 1% margin of error is too much.-AC
AC did you just say there are NO facts? Then all those years of forensics and Scientific research and DNA and blah, blah, blah which I have seen you guys support in the past are NOT facts? I'm gonna remenber that next time I see the so-called evolution thread.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
AC did you just say there are NO facts? Then all those years of forensics and Scientific research and DNA and blah, blah, blah which I have seen you guys support in the past are NOT facts? I'm gonna remenber that next time I see the so-called evolution thread.
only the most educated guess can be made. evidence can be planted, people can be framed. there is a .00001% chance that O.J. really didnt do it. there is never absolute certainty. all they can hope for is lack of doubt, which is not the same as being certain.
Originally posted by PVS
only the most educated guess can be made. evidence can be planted, people can be framed. there is a .00001% chance that O.J. really didnt do it. there is never absolute certainty.
90% of people make up stuff 😛
but seriously if your gonna state stuff back it up with articles you find on the net
Originally posted by El_NINO
90% of people make up stuff 😛but seriously if your gonna state stuff back it up with articles you find on the net
Knock yourself out...education all around.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
AC did you just say there are NO facts? Then all those years of forensics and Scientific research and DNA and blah, blah, blah which I have seen you guys support in the past are NOT facts? I'm gonna remenber that next time I see the so-called evolution thread.
Enough to make a greatly educated guess, not a fact.
-AC
Originally posted by El_NINO
90% of people make up stuff 😛but seriously if your gonna state stuff back it up with articles you find on the net
fair enough. and if you're going to call me out for not presenting sources, please read my post and point it out. especially considering that the entire post consisted of general observations of reality. people have actually been framed: www.peoplewhohavebeenframed.com
there are plenty of occurances where people were put to death and later found to be innocent, all of which are listed: www.occurances where people were put to death and later found to be innocent.com
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
www.deathpenaltyinfo.orgKnock yourself out...education all around.
thats good but whats your point? Its like me giving you this website www.google.com and asking you to tell me what you think.
Originally posted by PVS
fair enough. and if you're going to call me out for not presenting sources, please read my post and point it out. especially considering that the entire post consisted of general observations of reality. people have actually been framed: www.peoplewhohavebeenframed.com
there are plenty of occurances where people were put to death and later found to be innocent, all of which are listed: www.occurances where people were put to death and later found to be innocent.com
Im not calling you out, ive noticed some people not backing up what they say.
Death Penalty in California is Very Costly
According to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, housing an inmate in California's corrections system costs an average of $34,150 per year, though that figure is higher for those on death row or serving a sentence of life-without-parole. In capital cases, a more expensive investigation and prosecution process, as well as long and complicated appeals, raises the costs significantly. Only about 1% of homicides in the state are tried as capital cases, but those cases cost taxpayers two to three times more than non-capital cases. Critics of the death penalty argue that the money spent on death sentences would be better spent on police, mental health and child abuse prevention than on executions. "To spend so many millions of dollars on such a small number of capital trials really doesn't make much sense," said Lance Lindsey of Death Penalty Focus.The News-Sentinel's investigation revealed the following facts and figures for California:
$7.4 billion: 2006-07 budget for the California Corrections Department.
$250 million: Average cost of 11 executions in 27 years.
$114 million: Costs of death penalty to taxpayers (annual).
$34,150: Average annual cost of housing an inmate in state prison.
9,000: Average number of pages of court transcripts in capital cases.
645: Inmates on death row.
$200: Cost of lethal injection chemicals.
49: Average age at time of execution.
33: Death Row inmates who died of natural causes.
17.5: Average time spent on Death Row.
13: Inmates executed in California since 1978.
It can be said that its too expensive to have the Death penalty simply because of housing costs
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
So when a forensic scientist matches the DNA of the victim with that of the murderer...is NOT a fact but actually an educated guess?amazing
then the possibility that the suspects blood was planted at the scene or that the circumstances were not as they are thought to be.
the only fact they likely have determined is that the suspects dna was found at the crime scene....nothing more.
Even in the cases of people admitting to the crime can't be taken for granted. Loved ones covering up for loved ones etc.
I'm not saying that there aren't forensic ways to make a VERY pinpoint guess or deduction, but you cannot be 100% sure and with the death penalty, any other percentage is too little.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Even in the cases of people admitting to the crime can't be taken for granted. Loved ones covering up for loved ones etc.I'm not saying that there aren't forensic ways to make a VERY pinpoint guess or deduction, but you cannot be 100% sure and with the death penalty, any other percentage is too little.
-AC
Okay, you do accept that there is forensic tests that can prove a person guilty, right?
Now, if you're saying you cannot be 100% then by all means you can't have justice at all. If you say the death penalty kills innocent people...then life in prison is equally bad. You taken an innocent man and put him in jail for the rest of his/her life. Hasn't the prisoner been put in an even more dangerous situation by keeping him with all the backstabing inmates? You do know that life in prison is life under fear...right? Oh sure you release him if innocent....with all the trauma inside him.
There are forensic tests that can prove certain things, but there are all kinds of things that can and have happened which have resulted in innocent men and women being killed/jailed or jailed then killed.
So what you said can be reversed. If it were as easy as forensics, we'd have total justice. It hardly ever is, which is why killing the man or woman isn't the answer.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Now, if you're saying you cannot be 100% then by all means you can't have justice at all. If you say the death penalty kills innocent people...then life in prison is equally bad. You taken an innocent man and put him in jail for the rest of his/her life.
Let's be honest, life imprisonment for a crime you didn't commit, with access to family visits, isn't as bad as eternal death for a crime you didn't commit.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Hasn't the prisoner been put in an even more dangerous situation by keeping him with all the backstabing inmates? You do know that life in prison is life under fear...right? Oh sure you release him if innocent....with all the trauma inside him.
Can we stop pretending that it's as bad as death?
-AC