Thor without hammer vs spider man, captain america, wolverine and daredevil

Originally posted by olympian
"EVEN IF you were right... IF wolverine was indeed amped.. how come no one has been able to prove that either eh"

Since you arent even sure if he was actually or -not- it seems it isent cut clear is it.

who says I'm not sure? 🤨 I don't know where the hell you're getting that from as I've pretty clearly stated how I feel on the matter a number of times by now... the only way that there is room for error on my part is if it's actually been stated that he was enhanced in some way shape or form other than his bones...in a comic I missed.. well I'm pretty sure I didn't miss any, but then again it's hard to keep up with EVERY title so maybe I'm mistaken.. maybe marvel is mistaken.. like I said, I have a guide that states all of death's weapons and advantages.. being "vamped up" definitely wasn't one of them.. so unless you can seriously prove he was amped then you need to concede to the fact that he most likelt wasn't...

because it's easier to prove that something exists than that something doesn't the burdon of proof lies on your head, not ours....

my IF comment is simply part of my larger argument which showed yours to be flawed.. cause it is flawed.. again.. IF he was... who de-vamped him? If he was..

thus even IF you were right for some reason, your argument's still pretty useless as wolverine would still have those powers... hmmmm

Originally posted by olympian
The fact is Apoc always improves existing models. Angel is one, Hulk was another. All the other knights the same thing.

to which I agree.. wolverine was improved with an adamantium skeleton.... nuff said....

yup jinzin fully correct

the comparison's to how these guys did against the hulk are inappropriate -- even without his hammer, thor is more powerful than the hulk. he is the GOD of the storm. lightning bolts and hurricane winds will screw them up so badly they wouldn't have a chance. hell, dd would be deafened by the thunder!

cap DID have a good showing against thor, but it wasn't a 'real' fight, and thor certainly didn't have 'bloodlust'. wolvie COULD cut thor, absolutely, but he can't do enough damage to win this fight. spidey can't do much but dodge and distract, but i don't think people understand what a GOD is, and what battling for 1000s of years means. could they group get in a few shots? depends on how thor fights. if he is shown using his powers to the max, it's unlikely they could even get CLOSE to him. wolvie is the only one that could withstand a solid hit, and he ain't withstanding more than a couple.

if thor is written like a knob, the group could take 1/10. if he's written properly he wins 10/10. if he goes warrior mad (TRUE bloodlust) we wouldn't even recognize who these 3 ever were . . .

wait wolverine took hits from hulk many a time and ur not gunna serously tell me thor hits harder then hulk lol. hell even spidermans taken hits from him and got back up from both hulk and thor

<<wait wolverine took hits from hulk many a time and ur not gunna serously tell me thor hits harder then hulk lol>>

so are you saying if thor gets his hands on wolvie he isn't gonna ko his runt ass? thor's WAYYYY smarter than hulk -- and he hits AS hard. or he could use the old 'toss wolvie into space' gimmick, if he wanted i suppose . . .

you ALMOST sound dangerously close to saying wolverine could beat thor . . . everyone KNOWS you can't be claiming that, right . . .?

no I don't assume he can thou he did defeat hercules. but don't assume thor can take wolverien out with a few punches because he can't. oh also hulk enraged hits harder then thor I hope u know that

Originally posted by leonidas
if thor is written like a knob, the group could take 1/10. if he's written properly he wins 10/10. if he goes warrior mad (TRUE bloodlust) we wouldn't even recognize who these 3 ever were . . .

er, i hope YOU'RE not saying wolvie beats thor, cresh . . .

that red cloth WAS what was left of spidey or dd, right, and not thor's cape . . . 😕

I don't think this team could KO Thor. But with Cap at the team at best they could do is halt him. It will be better for them to keep it out of Thor range.

Thor takes them out with minimal effort. This thread is, well, no comment.

"who says I'm not sure? I don't know where the hell you're getting that from as I've pretty clearly stated how I feel on the matter a number of times by now"

"because it's easier to prove that something exists than that something doesn't the burdon of proof lies on your head, not ours...."

First lets get something clear here. It was you who said he wasent improved, amped whatever you like to call it. You said against what i stated as fact that Apoc does do that with his knights. Its not an opinion of mine, we know he does.

Therefore its up to you to show me If Wolverine was or -not- considering everyone is saying he beat Savage Hulk, something he regular wise never did. Show me why he was an exception to the rule.

So without fudging, where did he beat Savage? Where are the scans.

"my IF comment is simply part of my larger argument which showed yours to be flawed.. cause it is flawed.. again.. IF he was... who de-vamped him? If he was"

Where i come from, when someone makes an IF comment its becuase he is not sure about a matter. You show not to be, because you cant even tell me in an accurate manner wheter he was or not.

If doesnt cut it, pll are saying he - beat - Savage. That he -impaled- Hulk before without being the Grey version. That he can do that also to Thor and immortal Herc.

When all he did to those as far as i know was scratching them, nothing more. So as you can imagine im curious to see those events.

Lets see, first i want to clear some points.

We are talking here about regular thor, not king thor or another thor enbodyments. As we are talking about regular spider man, regular captain america, regular wolverine and regular daredevil. I could say that spidey could beat the hulk or another powerful people as captain universe, but we are talking here about regular spider man.

Second, this is a fight with thor without his hammer, and that things makes this fight much closer than some people things. 50% of thors power its in his hammer. He could do the best of his power and magic with his hammer. With his hammer, he could do his best. He isnt so good without his hammer.

This fight is without magic or god power, only a clear fight between thor and this team. Fist vs fist.

And there is some facts:

Thor without hammer isnt stronger than hulk. If you see the fights between thor and savage hulk, almost always the hulk is closer to the victory than thor and gets the best hints over thor. Even with his hammer. Same with juggernaut or wonder man That is a fact.

Thor durability isnt as great as savage hulks or juggernauts, and without his hammer, the team could damage him much more than many people thinks here. That is a fact.

Cap did pretty well against thor the times that he battled him. Thor respects him so much and cap is a so good fighter as thor or even more. That is a fact.

Spider man did pretty well against people like savage hulk, abomination, juggernaut or absorbing man or against the same thor with his hammer. He is a match for thor. That is a fact.

Wolverine did pretty well against savage hulk, wendigo, hercules or juggernautt, people like are so strong and durable, if not more, than a thor without his main weapon. That is a fact.

Daredevil did pretty well against mister hyde, a very strong guy who even thor with his hammer has difficults to beat him. Read daredevil fights against mister hyde and read thor fights against mister hyde. That is a fact.

Thor has been damaged by a kick from yellow jacket. A guy who is a worst fighter and much less athletic than cap, daredevil or wolverine. For not talk about spider man, who is at least 10 times stronger than yellow jacket.That is a fact.

Those are facts , not speculations. So, thor could get much more difficults in win this battle against many people thinks here.

<<Spider man did pretty well against people like savage hulk, abomination, juggernaut or absorbing man or against the same thor with his hammer. He is a match for thor. That is a fact.>>

facts? huh? spidey could not damage hulk -- even when he went UBER pissed. spidey was getting ToTALLED by abomination -- again, he couldn't hurt him and shehulk saved his arse. he trapped juggs in cement the first time - but again, could not hurt him. the second time he was even an annoyance! yet you think spidey himself is a match for thor?? your 'facts', are very wrong.

cap and thor -- it wasn't a real fight. again, this is bloodlust. what's cap gonna do against hurricane winds and lightning bolts?? cap and spidey could dodge around for a while (again, thor's speed is undderestimated though) but they aren't gonna get in close cuz thor will kill them.

dd is useless. hyde is about half of thor and dd only beats him with plot devices. you think his billyclub is gonna hurt thor?

wolvie CAN hurt thor, but not enough.

without his hammer he still has all his skill, his immortality, his strength, his storm control, his god force and his 'madness'.

this fight really isn't that close. the group could get some shots in, but that's it.

"Thor without hammer isnt stronger than hulk. If you see the fights between thor and savage hulk, almost always the hulk is closer to the victory than thor and gets the best hints over thor. Even with his hammer. Same with juggernaut or wonder man That is a fact."

And somehow you are trying to compare the Hulk with those streeth level chads?

You also left the fact that Thor has stalemated Hulk before without the hammer. Over an hour, with rage increase. And that while on another ocassion for example, he has been battered more than Hulk in a slugfest he still wasent down.

Just small details, you know.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Lets see, first i want to clear some points.

We are talking here about regular thor, not king thor or another thor enbodyments. As we are talking about regular spider man, regular captain america, regular wolverine and regular daredevil. I could say that spidey could beat the hulk or another powerful people as captain universe, but we are talking here about regular spider man.

Second, this is a fight with thor without his hammer, and that things makes this fight much closer than some people things. 50% of thors power its in his hammer. He could do the best of his power and magic with his hammer. With his hammer, he could do his best. He isnt so good without his hammer.

This fight is without magic or god power, only a clear fight between thor and this team. Fist vs fist.

And there is some facts:

Thor without hammer isnt stronger than hulk. If you see the fights between thor and savage hulk, almost always the hulk is closer to the victory than thor and gets the best hints over thor. Even with his hammer. Same with juggernaut or wonder man That is a fact.

Thor durability isnt as great as savage hulks or juggernauts, and without his hammer, the team could damage him much more than many people thinks here. That is a fact.

Cap did pretty well against thor the times that he battled him. Thor respects him so much and cap is a so good fighter as thor or even more. That is a fact.

Spider man did pretty well against people like savage hulk, abomination, juggernaut or absorbing man or against the same thor with his hammer. He is a match for thor. That is a fact.

Wolverine did pretty well against savage hulk, wendigo, hercules or juggernautt, people like are so strong and durable, if not more, than a thor without his main weapon. That is a fact.

Daredevil did pretty well against mister hyde, a very strong guy who even thor with his hammer has difficults to beat him. Read daredevil fights against mister hyde and read thor fights against mister hyde. That is a fact.

Thor has been damaged by a kick from yellow jacket. A guy who is a worst fighter and much less athletic than cap, daredevil or wolverine. For not talk about spider man, who is at least 10 times stronger than yellow jacket.That is a fact.

Those are facts , not speculations. So, thor could get much more difficults in win this battle against many people thinks here.

I repeat, we are talking about a clear fist fight. Not about magic, storms and that kind of things.

And again, we are talking about REGULAR THOR, not king thor.

And , i forget something, spidey did beat firelord, who is as powerful of almost as thor.

Also, did in his own pretty well against savage green hulk and wendigo, two beasts of level 100 or more.

Thor hammer is 50%of his power, without his hammer and without the use of magic, those four people would be a very dangerous match for him.

And daredevil did beat hyde not only with tricks, but with his fight abilities. Same with cap.

I think that you guys are underrating this team. This team could give thor a lot of troubles.

you're not trying to say because dd beats hyde that he can beat thor, i hope . . .? and, umm, why do you keep saying it's purely a 'fist fight'? that's not what the thread starter stated. just no prep. thor has all his other abilities -- just not his hammer.

and even without it, he kills these guys. too many powers. and it's YOU who are underestimating thor. the other heroes are good -- thor (along with MAYBE ss) is/was the best and most powerful.

ps-it's funny actually debating on the SAME side, olympian . . .

Thor did this to Loki and Fenris, both of which are leagues ahead of these street levelers. Both of which were armed with mystical weapons. Yeah, Loki looks like he has an Uru hammer. Oh, Thor was unarmed.

http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorbeatdown1bw.jpg

Why are people still thinking that these guys can take Thor down?

Originally posted by bakerboy
I repeat, we are talking about a clear fist fight. Not about magic, storms and that kind of things.
And again, we are talking about REGULAR THOR, not king thor.
And , i forget something, spidey did beat firelord, who is as powerful of almost as thor.
Also, did in his own pretty well against savage green hulk and wendigo, two beasts of level 100 or more.
Thor hammer is 50%of his power, without his hammer and without the use of magic, those four people would be a very dangerous match for him.
And daredevil did beat hyde not only with tricks, but with his fight abilities. Same with cap.
I think that you guys are underrating this team. This team could give thor a lot of troubles.

That's Classical Thor, bakerboy.
I dunno who you are, but your knowledge is very low, and your arguments have obviously no sense.
Thor is the Thunder God.
Not the god who needs the hammer to control weather.
Weather Control and Elemental powers are part of his being.Without his hammer his strenght is lowered by a bit and he's equal to demigod-Hercules, who would still own really this pathetic team you're supporting.

thor isnt really thor without the hammer is he, hes just samson.