Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Makes you wonder where he hides his Bannertech. He beats on Hiro Kala as WWH, changes to Banner and then swings out his Oldpower Taser from... a pocket in his pants???
Hulk's purple pants are made from tesseract macro-molecules. This allows them to stretch as well as stand up to insane damage because when one piece is broken the other molecules just pop into place like a soda bottle in a gas station drink rack. It also makes them a prime storage space 😛
Probably Stalemate
Probably a stalemate.
However the facts of Hulk are:
The Hulk possesses the potential for limitless physical strength depending directly on his emotional state, particularly his anger.[41] This has been reflected in the repeated comment, "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets." After probing, the entity Beyonder once claimed that the Hulk's potential strength had "no finite element inside."[42] His durability, regeneration, and endurance also increase in proportion to his temper.[43] Greg Pak described the Hulk shown during World War Hulk as having a level of physical power where "Hulk was stronger than any mortal—and most immortals—who ever walked the Earth."[44]
The Hulk's level of strength is normally limited by Banner's subconscious influence. When Hulk allowed Jean Grey to psionically "shut Banner off", he reached a scale of power on which he managed to overpower and destroy the physical form of the villain Onslaught, at a time when it had reached a level with the fictional godlike entities, the Celestials.[45]
I'm pretty sure Onslaught could do a number on Superman given:
Onslaught is a psionic entity with superior physical and mental power, possessing the combined abilities of Professor X, Magneto, Franklin Richards, and Nate Grey. At its prime, Onslaught is capable of telepathy, telekinesis, energy projection, sensing mutant presences, manipulating magnetic fields, and affecting reality itself. Onslaught can also enhance its physical size and strength.
Onslaughts powers were well over that of Omega Level. In Onslaughts first form, the one he had when he was one with Xavier. In this form, Onslaught has shown a wide variety of abilities including nearly limitless strength, and near indestructibility. Onslaught's psionic powers appeared limitless, appearing to surpass even that of Xavier in his right mind. He was especially powerful in the Astral Plane, where he appeared to have god-like abilities. Even Jean Grey's powers were completely useless against him. From what has been seen, he seems to have total mental control over anyone or anything he wishes, ranging from altering one's perception to believe they are someone or somewhere else (he demonstrated this by making Wolverine believe he was a wolf pup, and making Storm think she was a child), to most conceivable forms of telekinesis. Onslaught also possesed many forms of energy projection, all of which at high levels of power.
After fully evolving into his own, separate consciousness and having Professor X ripped from him in the Astral Plane, Onslaught evolved into a second form, less resembling Magneto and looking more like a cybernetic monster. In this form, his powers were increased to virtually godlike levels, including the ability to mass-manipulate (his complete takeover of all the Sentinels), create and reshape matter at will (shown when he created his citadel, and when he created a second sun to destroy Earth), and an apparent omniscience (as evidenced when he easily thwarted an attempt to sneak into his citadel). His physical strength was also shown to be at obscenely high levels; so much so he was able to literally rip the Crystal Gem of Cytorrak out of Juggernaut and throw him across North America and go toe-to-toe in a physical fight with the Hulk even after the Hulk's mind had been blanked and his strength and rage set to incredible levels thanks to Jean Grey 'shutting down' the subconscious influence that Bruce Banner normally exerted over the Hulk to stop him going too far.
For a time, Onslaught had these powers while still in his first form; the majority of these came from the absorption of Nate Grey and Franklin Richards. In the end, Onslaught's true body was revealed to be a mass of pure, psionic energy that was immune to all forms of physical attacks.
So after allowing Bruce to get shut down he overpowered an entity that was practically God-like.
Not to mention he has immense regenerating abilities as well as an inmense durability to "withstood the equivalent of core solar temperatures,[46] nuclear explosions,[47] and planet-shattering impacts."
That means Superman would be in for a long fight. The crossover where Superman won was voted by fans however in a real brawl it's up for grabs. Superman has a variety of powers but Hulk is built to keep going.
If he was able to destroy Onslaught's physical form who had reached a godlike level and could even shape reality.
Again:
"godlike levels, including the ability to mass-manipulate (his complete takeover of all the Sentinels), create and reshape matter at will (shown when he created his citadel, and when he created a second sun to destroy Earth), and an apparent omniscience (as evidenced when he easily thwarted an attempt to sneak into his citadel). His physical strength was also shown to be at obscenely high levels; so much so he was able to literally rip the Crystal Gem of Cytorrak out of Juggernaut and throw him across North America and go toe-to-toe in a physical fight with the Hulk even after the Hulk's mind had been blanked and his strength and rage set to incredible levels thanks to Jean Grey 'shutting down' the subconscious influence that Bruce Banner normally exerted over the Hulk to stop him going too far."
So Bruce Banner out of the way Hulk is quite powerful.
Read through a few pages of this and Iv noticed No One has answered how Hulk is going to even hit Supes.
He cant without PIS.. So theres no way Hulk can win. At best he can stalemate (assuming he can take absolutely everything Supes can throw at him- Doubtful) but even in that scenario Supes can always BFR him.
So people please stop making arguments for Hulk Winning this until you answer how Hulk can even hit Supes.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERhulk can hit superman. superman wins the majority here
Read through a few pages of this and Iv noticed No One has answered how Hulk is going to even hit Supes.He cant without PIS.. So theres no way Hulk can win. At best he can stalemate (assuming he can take absolutely everything Supes can throw at him- Doubtful) but even in that scenario Supes can always BFR him.
So people please stop making arguments for Hulk Winning this until you answer how Hulk can even hit Supes.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERyou are lumping pis and cis together. superman does not blitz continuously in his fights, it's just not part of his personality, furthermore, the hulk excells at calculating trajectories and anticipating positions - this is how even the savage hulk levels cities without killing anybody, he maintains a type savant-like geniality even in this form - which is how he tags objects far faster than him. of course there is a limit to the speed gap he can overcome, but the levels of superspeed SM employs on average are within this range (of course, he could blitz Hulk faster than he can tag, if he steps up his game, but it's out of character). Hulk also has a very effective AoE attack in the form of the thunderclap.
Without PIS? How?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You're right, Hulk is too one dimensional. Once Superman steps it up and starts using his speed, flight, and ranged powers Hulk is going to get shut down.
He isn't going to have time to step anything up once Hulk grabs him out of the air and start pounding on him with his FAR superior strength. Speed isn't an issue in this fight either, especially with CIS on. Current Hulk by far is the strongest in this battle. Supes only chance of winning would be to bfr him.
Originally posted by 753
you are lumping pis and cis together. superman does not blitz continuously in his fights, it's just not part of his personality,
Oh yeah in terms of the way the plot would probably go (and has gone) Supes isn't going to use his full speed, will prob get into a slug fest, and that way its a good fight.
But realistically, if Supes decides to go all out, theres no hope for Hulk even touching Supes.
Originally posted by 753
furthermore, the hulk excells at calculating trajectories and anticipating positions - this is how even the savage hulk levels cities without killing anybody, he maintains a type savant-like geniality even in this form - which is how he tags objects far faster than him. of course there is a limit to the speed gap he can overcome, but the levels of superspeed SM employs on average are within this range (of course, he could blitz Hulk faster than he can tag, if he steps up his game, but it's out of character).
Again if Supes is seriously holding back then this is all fine.. But not if he fights as fast as he can.
And why do we have Hulk using all his abilities to hit speedsters but have Supes holding back on his speed? That makes no sense to me.
Originally posted by 753
Hulk also has a very effective AoE attack in the form of the thunderclap.
Supes can outrun the thunderclap if he likes, or even just hit Hulk before he can clap his hands. Or even just be behind the Hulk the whole time.
Either way, even if Supes holds back at first, as soon as he realises the kind of strength he's dealing with, he will use his superior speed to win, at which point Hulk will not even be able to touch Supes.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh yeah in terms of the way the plot would probably go (and has gone) Supes isn't going to use his full speed, will prob get into a slug fest, and that way its a good fight.But realistically, if Supes decides to go all out, theres no hope for Hulk even touching Supes.
Again if Supes is seriously holding back then this is all fine.. But not if he fights as fast as he can.
And why do we have Hulk using all his abilities to hit speedsters but have Supes holding back on his speed? That makes no sense to me.
Supes can outrun the thunderclap if he likes, or even just hit Hulk before he can clap his hands. Or even just be behind the Hulk the whole time.
Either way, even if Supes holds back at first, as soon as he realises the kind of strength he's dealing with, he will use his superior speed to win, at which point Hulk will not even be able to touch Supes.
You are talking crazy.
So you admit that Thor can take 10/10 against Supes via soul drain or God blast at the beginning of the fight? So you admit that Surfer can take 10/10 against Supes via going intangible and then creating a black hole in Supermans skull? Is this what you agree to or are we going to stop bringing up all of this fairy tale, never happened in a comic nonsense?
Let me know buddy so I can surface the Surfer vs Superman thread.
