Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by supessucks
As I said before tron, Crossovers are irrelevant (they are popularity contests, readers vote for who will win). I noticed you didn't include the final page. Superman did not knock out Hulk out. He calmed him down. If he hadn't Hulk would have become stronger than Superman, and could have possibly won. Superman admits Hulk's strength throughout the comic. Mind you, this is pre-crisis Superman. Current day Superman is not nearly as invulnerable. One of Darksied's punches sent him through a wall in the Justic League Cartoon.

Im sorry, but you cant just bring what happens in the cartoons! They dont go with the comic books and as I have seen, they make the characters weaker than they really are!

If you seen alot of the comic books where Superman and Darkside meet, Superman kicks his ass and then some.

If it was pre-crisis Darkside, then I would understand cause the Pre-Crisis Superman was extremely cautius against even him!

Originally posted by supessucks
K3VIL, Your arguement is unsupported. I did not say that Hulk would beat Superman. I said he is stronger than Superman. This was proven in the Marvel vs. DC crossover, when Hulk knocked Superman clear out of Metropolis.

Im sorry, You say this is proof, you mention in your other post that Crossovers arent valid!??!!

You are contradicting yourself buddy, even though you say that Superman can win in previous posts, you contradicting yourself here big time in your representation of Hulk being stronger than Superman.

Danny I didn't say superman couldn't win. I said Hulk is stronger. Strength isn't everything; Superman could use his other powers to some avail against Hulk.

Originally posted by supessucks
Danny I didn't say superman couldn't win. I said Hulk is stronger. Strength isn't everything; Superman could use his other powers to some avail against Hulk.

Nah bro, I wasnt debating with you about the Superman having potential to win. I was simply commenting on the reasoning you gave he was stronger than Superman, well one of them, and that was the one battle with the Cross-Over.

You said in your previous post that CrossOvers arent valid and yet you mention a crossover with them to support your arguement on that Hulk is stronger than Superman

I know, I accidently deleted my previous post. Hulk knocking Superman out of Metropolis is as irrelevant as Superman withstanding Hulk's punches.

Originally posted by supessucks
As I said before tron, Crossovers are irrelevant (they are popularity contests, readers vote for who will win). I noticed you didn't include the final page. Superman did not knock out Hulk out. He calmed him down. If he hadn't Hulk would have become stronger than Superman, and could have possibly won. Superman admits Hulk's strength throughout the comic. Mind you, this is pre-crisis Superman. Current day Superman is not nearly as invulnerable. One of Darksied's punches sent him through a wall in the Justic League Cartoon.

I didn't include it cause I didn't have it unfortunately, but I do now. Thanks supremthor.😉

srakastic my original point is still very valid. im not trying to intellectualize a hulk victory as u put it, im saying, if hulk fights supes he would need to be written in a dc way ( his powers enable this as his strength is infinite) or have supes fight with marvel comic restraints. it sa pointless argument having a dc ''we can do what we want'' supes fighting a marvel ''lets be more realistic'' hulk. who would win is down to writers. if its a brawl of course hulk should win, if supes uses flight etc its more interesting but you have to ask whats he got that will knock out the hulk, i dont think he is strong enough too, his lazers wouldnt huert after a while, and his speed is only useful if his punches are hurting. all this is my opinion, however and to make it fair i think u either hype up BOTH characters , or have Both with more realistic power levels

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Okay supremthor. Let me simplify:

Hulk has done things that Superman hasn't done. He has lifted heavier things than Superman has.

Originally posted by supessucks
K3VIL, Your arguement is unsupported. I did not say that Hulk would beat Superman. I said he is stronger than Superman. This was proven in the Marvel vs. DC crossover, when Hulk knocked Superman clear out of Metropolis.

Being knocked out of Metropolis means that Superman is under Hulk in terms of strenght?You gotta be kidding me.Superman punch Lobo into a spaceship that was floating over the Earth, i means he punch Lobo into the space, understand?And without effort.He doesn't need to enrage or get angrier.And i don't see why the writers must make happy you fanboys writing a comic in which Superman acts like a poor dumb granting Hulk to reach his strength level and see the end of the fight with the most idiot superpowered being saying: I SMASH YOU HULK SMASH!.
Superman is hella strong.
Hulk is potentially hella strong.
He gets knocked before he can become hella stronger than Superman.
So Hulk lose.End of Debate.I'm sick of people that cannot use brain cause they are in Fanboy Mode ON

Everyone would appreciate it if you would keep your stupid fanatical comments to yourself, Thank you.

If you are arguing for the HULK, you have just violated your own request.

There is no way that the hulk can beat someone who not only is he stronger, has heat vision, can fly but is simply far too fast for the hulk to fight. There is no way that the Hulk could beat him, well unless he had some kryptonite that is.

Its clear who the fanboy(s) is(are) here, anybody who would pick the hulk.

hulk on a physical level,nothing to fear, all hulk has to fear are writers that need to give supes a right royal whipping, read my earlier post as to how hulk and supes fighting is not on a level plaing field whilst both fight on their previous histories from their previous comics, remember dc has all its heros doing vastly huge things. doomsday was a hulk rip off, he killed supes, remember so see what happens when they fight with both heros powers written qwithin the boundries of either marvel, more constricted realistic, or dc ,huge unrealistic feats. dont judge hulk in the way u r as marvel writers would not have him doing he things dc would have written for him

Alot of you guy's are going off of Hulk being "stronger" than Superman, which is a weak argument in my honest opinion..First off just mere strength alone doesn't win a fight, like I said Superman is not just a brawny slugger like the hulk, that would be a degradation to superman's character if he just simply tries to match a being in which he stated numerous times was "insanely" powerful blow for blow..Supes versatility is his strength(Speed, heat vision, high-class strength,X-ray vision, ice breathe) Superman was "modeled" to be the "perfect" Superhero, his battle intellect is his strength, his "fight conscious" mind is his strength, now tell me how many times did you see Superman merely beaten to death by a big, strong, mindless, "tough guy"(and dont say Doomsday because he had matching speed, was more fight conscious, and Superman KILLED him in the midst of his own demise)

You guy's give the hulk way too much credit, like someone stated b4, the hulk is "potentially" stronger than Superman and Superman may know that because he's a smart fighter, But the picture posted where Superman stands up unaffected by the hulk's blow shows that Superman is "levels" above the green guy from the get-go...The hulk put everything in that one blow and it didn't even "move" the man in blue, that should tell all you "fans" something but then again you're fans and you tend to just dismiss things of that nature...

Now tell me "really" who would you guys bank on if you didn't know both characters long enough to develop a favoratism, in one corner we have a damn near mindless raging beast whom strength grows with his anger(mind you one becomes mentally blinded with rage) who's battle tactics take a back seat to rage and blind agression, vs a person whom stood unmoved from one of the formers hardest blows, IS conscious of the battle he's in(has a mind to apply with his powers), designed to be the "near perfect" Super-hero, had to be weakened just because his strength was unbearably strong WITHOUT anger to feed it, has WAY more powers to work with(can experiment freely), even "weakened" its up for debate whether the hulk can beat him.Superman is a damn fighting genius, he beat geniuses(Braniac, Brainiac2000) AND faced off against the hulk on two occasion(one unofficial), the other a draw in which Superman bested the hulk last right before teaming up..

Now with all that give me a "fair" argument on the hulks behalf....

dont judge hulk in the way u r as marvel writers would not have him doing he things dc would have written for him

You have GOT to be kidding me. You can only judge hulk based on his capabilities. The thread was made, so I responded with the OBVIOUS winner.

People picking the hulk are obviously just fanboys.

well what a stupid thread then ( forget crossovers they are lame) why judgehulk written in 1 universe against superman written in another, then use supermans previous exploits as a way of him defeating hulk, makes no sense, hell wonder woman, lobo etc all do mre in credible things than hulk, marvels top powerhouse. forget the histories really here, superman moving a planet, so what, hulk would if he was written by dc ( though he did smash a planet twice the size of earth) , but like i said forget history, as what supes does in dc ( aswell as most dc characters) is 10 times more powerful than marvel, and bloody ludicrous. od course a supes is more powerful than hulk as he is in dc, hulk in dc well how powerful would he be?
* why u shouldnt use crossovers is batman kicked hulk in his stomoch and fed him sleeping pills to knock him out in 1, i mean sheesh.

well what a stupid thread then ( forget crossovers they are lame) why judgehulk written in 1 universe against superman written in another, then use supermans previous exploits as a way of him defeating hulk, makes no sense, hell wonder woman, lobo etc all do mre in credible things than hulk, marvels top powerhouse. forget the histories really here, superman moving a planet, so what, hulk would if he was written by dc ( though he did smash a planet twice the size of earth) , but like i said forget history, as what supes does in dc ( aswell as most dc characters) is 10 times more powerful than marvel, and bloody ludicrous. od course a supes is more powerful than hulk as he is in dc, hulk in dc well how powerful would he be?
* why u shouldnt use crossovers is batman kicked hulk in his stomoch and fed him sleeping pills to knock him out in 1, i mean sheesh.

Yeah but the funny thing is, somehow, there are still people picking hulk to win.

Im not using crossover comics, im just using their abilities and how a match would go if they faced off. This isnt one of those could go either way type of deals, its cut and dry. Hulk has one dimention, hes strong. Big deal, supes has that (strength that exceeds what hulk brings) and then some. Most importantly being speed but not to forget flying, heat vision and super breath.

You cant say that Supes in Marvel would be less powerful anyway, you cant make realisitically make that argument. If you take Supes DC counterpart, if written properly he would beat the hulk aswell.

A writer could make Batman beat supes or Spiderman beat Dormmamu or whatever but you know its not realistic given what they are capapble of.

u r though by saying supes is stronger than hulk, well er yeah in the dc universe when everything is magnified 100 times over. thats my point. by their characteristics hulk couldeasily be written to be stronger than supes very quickly ( within the bounds of limitless strength), and in a brawl that would suffice. im not saying supes couldnt devise a way to use his powers to win, just ot in a brawl

oh and see the hulk v gladiator site, he got his ass handed to him by hulk, and all the super fans cant take it

My god. In no way can Hulk beat Superman. Superman would have no problems with the Hulk. Tough guy do you honestly think Hulk can win? Sh!t Superman could probably take Juggy and Hulk on at once. And another thing Do you think that Marvel is gonna let one of their 3rd string characters(Gladiator) defeat the Hulk. Come on man thats bad for bussiness.

oh and see the hulk v gladiator site, he got his ass handed to him by hulk, and all the super fans cant take it

I know thats the way it was written but its no better than those crossovers. Hulk with his capalities should not have beaten Gladiator. Look if anybody can beat anybody, there is no sense in arguing anything. Like ive previously stated, a writer can write in anything they want really. They can have daredevil beat Galactus if they feel like but based on their powers, there is no way that should happen. THe same holds true for Hulk vs Gladiator or Superman.

I dont particularly like either character but these hulk fans will argue that hulk beats anybody.

u r though by saying supes is stronger than hulk, well er yeah in the dc universe when everything is magnified 100 times over. thats my point. by their characteristics hulk couldeasily be written to be stronger than supes very quickly ( within the bounds of limitless strength), and in a brawl that would suffice. im not saying supes couldnt devise a way to use his powers to win, just ot in a brawl

Yes exactly he is stronger, thats exactly what I said. It really doesnt matter if DC has more amped up characters, because this thread asks who wins. You cant give hulk additional powers, you judge him based on what hes written to do. Even if they were at equal strength (Which they arent) superman is still far too fast, among other things hes brings to the table.

Supes wins this one easy.

in that case all dc heros trounce marvel so what a stupid thread lol. all im saying is even up the playing field, your looking at a hulk bound by marvels restrictions, hell their charcters top group is the 100 tonne class for heavens sake, yet supes ( lobo, wonder woman, etc) all start out with power thousands above this. if hulk was a dc character , the nature of his actual character would put him into this league. .like i said with lobo v juggie, all ud have with a dc character is supe sthrowing a planet on hulk, then a solar system then a universe then a multiverse, basically he can do what he wants. except be stronger than hulk as hulk has no limit to his strength, except the limits imposed in a marvel universe

look what dcs version of hulk did to supes