Originally posted by 753
SM can sing at non-corporeal "abstracts" to kill them
Hulk isn't a non-corporeal abstract.
It still stands that he defeated a god-like being's physical manifestation on par with the Celestials, who had no power limits and possessed reality control powers, that's a pretty big feat.
Superman couldn't seemingly harm a dying Darkseid when he achieved reality control powers.
So Hulk physically defeated a god-like being with apparently no power limits and reality control.
But Superman was not able to physically defeat Darkseid when he achieved control of reality.
Actually has Superman defeated physically a god-like being with reality control powers?
On the flip side Iron-Man soundly defeats an Onslaught possessed Hulk after flying at full speed from the atmosphere and soundly knocked Hulk out. Albeit it can be argued that an Onslaught possessed Hulk didn't really know how to use Hulk's body but the case is he got punched out.
So Superman moving at speed of light and flying from a far away area and using his telescopic vision can fly at full light speed and punch Hulk cold.
Originally posted by Badabing
It's nothing compared with what I just saw in the newest Hulk...shock
What did he do?
Originally posted by carver9
The feat isn't usable unless you are imply that Superman is going to bull rush Hulk near the sun and bfr both of them.
So is your argument that Supes "Could" Blitz Hulk to the Sun if he wants, but will chose not to?? I.e. This is a Good fight because Supes will Hold Back on his Speed Blitz and BFR abilities??
Originally posted by carver9
During the blitz, Batman even had time to get up off the ground, tilt his head and look up in the air at Superman taking DS to the sun. It wasn't ftl but it was pretty fast though. I don't even think it took seconds like you are assuming unless you have proof because there really wasn't any specific time given.
What about when Current Supes and Golden age Supes Flew to Intercept SBP in another system. Even if that took hours it would still have been much FTL speed.
They actually flew to Intercept SBP at that speed, and flew him all the way to Krypton right through its Red Sun.
I think that shows Supes could easily Fly into Hulk at FTL speeds, and Fly him to our Sun in seconds no problem.
Not to mention just the sheer force of him Flying into Hulk at that kind of speed, backed up by his own almost limitless Strength would certainly test Hulk's durability to his Max.
Originally posted by Zack Fairsome would say it's only when you take their personalities into account. in a tournament, SS should stomp SM as SM should stomp hulk, but even without pis, we dont use tournament style in the forums
Superman wins plain and simple. It is only when you dumb him down to Hulk's level that the gammatard has a chance. Same way Surfer has every single tool to defeat Clark, and is dumbed down to give Kal-El a chance.
Originally posted by 753
some would say it's only when you take their personalities into account. in a tournament, SS should stomp SM as SM should stomp hulk, but even without pis, we dont use tournament style in the forums
Well thats a whole different fight then. In that case Hulk Vs. Supes or Hulk vs Captain Marvel would be a good fight.
But then General Zod on the other hand or Black Adam would stomp Hulk.
Forget flying, Supes can even run over 2000miles per second:
But dnt tell me. You guys are gna say that doesn't mean he can fight at those speeds right??
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Superman wins plain and simple. It is only when you dumb him down to Hulk's level that the gammatard has a chance. Same way Surfer has every single tool to defeat Clark, and is dumbed down to give Kal-El a chance.
So Superman wins how?
Assuming they both go all out, last time I checked an all out Hulk destroyed a god-like being who possessed reality power. I don't recall Superman doing the same.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Forget flying, Supes can even run over 2000milesBut dnt tell me. You guys are gna say that doesn't mean he can fight at those speeds right??
If this is an all out match I assume Superman WILL use his speed of light. Heck he can go into outer space, use his telescopic vision, speed of light into Hulk with a punch. However Hulk has taken planet-impact attacks and shrugged them off specifically if he too is also all out.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Superman wins plain and simple. It is only when you dumb him down to Hulk's level that the gammatard has a chance. Same way Surfer has every single tool to defeat Clark, and is dumbed down to give Kal-El a chance.
Superman is going to HAVE to fight hulk hand to hand, his other powers are useless. The style of fight that you are stating Superman would fight in possibly only happened in 3 appearances out of the thousands of comics he has been in, Superman WILL get tagged by the Hulk, A LOT. I usually go by consistant showing,... I don't know what you all go by but using CONSISTENT showings, CIS showings, non making up craps showings... Hulk curbs him. Then we have to think of the fact that Hulk has our right punched beings to sleep that has blitzed him.
Now this is the kicker. Superman literally gets one shotted by current Hulk. Reason why. Superman cant handle beings that are as physically strong as Current Hulk. For all the power that he has, when he face someone on this level, he gets curbed and curbed bad. This is minus low showings, I'm referring to average.
Now if we are on the making up stuff route, current Hulk thunderclap through the entire battle until Superman passes out. A normal current Hulk thunderclapped Rulk to sleep, its no telling what recent thunder clap hulk could accomplish. That's the making up craps argument.
Hulk 9/10
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Forget flying, Supes can even run over 2000miles per second:But dnt tell me. You guys are gna say that doesn't mean he can fight at those speeds right??
Show me those combat feats. Captain America can Ser bullets in slow motion and has actually outpaced bullets. Can Hulk tag him?
