Originally posted by IssacFrosthulkd didnt actually beat onslaught now did he? just destroyed his shell and sped him up along his development. it i still a massive feat of course
So Superman wins how?Assuming they both go all out, last time I checked an all out Hulk destroyed a god-like being who possessed reality power. I don't recall Superman doing the same.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERhe can fight at those speeds and nobody is claiming he cant. were claiming that non speedster bricks still do well against him and so would the hulk
Forget flying, Supes can even run over 2000miles per second:But dnt tell me. You guys are gna say that doesn't mean he can fight at those speeds right??
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well thats a whole different fight then. In that case Hulk Vs. Supes or Hulk vs Captain Marvel would be a good fight.But then General Zod on the other hand or Black Adam would stomp Hulk.
If everyone you've named fight in character, they are literally going to lose against Hulk, badly.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman is going to HAVE to fight hulk hand to hand, his other powers are useless. The style of fight that you are stating Superman would fight in possibly only happened in 3 appearances out of the thousands of comics he has been in, Superman WILL get tagged by the Hulk, A LOT. I usually go by consistant showing,... I don't know what you all go by but using CONSISTENT showings, CIS showings, non making up craps showings... Hulk curbs him. Then we have to think of the fact that Hulk has our right punched beings to sleep that has blitzed him.Now this is the kicker. Superman literally gets one shotted by current Hulk. Reason why. Superman cant handle beings that are as physically strong as Current Hulk. For all the power that he has, when he face someone on this level, he gets curbed and curbed bad. This is minus low showings, I'm referring to average.
Now if we are on the making up stuff route, current Hulk thunderclap through the entire battle until Superman passes out. A normal current Hulk thunderclapped Rulk to sleep, its no telling what recent thunder clap hulk could accomplish. That's the making up craps argument.
Hulk 9/10
You know ...you had me until the 9/10.
Nice try though.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me those combat feats. Captain America can Ser bullets in slow motion and has actually outpaced bullets. Can Hulk tag him?
I posted you Super-Fast combat feats from the Superman Respect thread.
Deflecting bullets is one thing, Running 10 times faster than a bullet is a whole other league.
Do you honestly believe that he can Run several times faster than sound, but not fight at those speeds. Im not even talking flying at Lightspeed now, which he can do.
Originally posted by 753
he can fight at those speeds and nobody is claiming he cant. were claiming that non speedster bricks still do well against him and so would the hulk
Because he holds back on his speed (and strength for that matter) in combat. But when faced with a serious enough threat, Like Hulk would be, he has no problem using a lot more of the power at his disposal, (as long as he can get him away from civilians first.)
Originally posted by 753
hulkd didnt actually beat onslaught now did he? just destroyed his shell and sped him up along his development. it i still a massive feat of course
Allow me to state he overpowered and destroyed, the physical part of Onslaught who was already on par with Celestials. He beat the physical manifestation of a being who has reality powers. How in heck will he even beat someone who can control reality? Not to mention a plethora of psionic powers. Heck Onslaught could make anyone believe whatever he wanted. Didn't do much good against Hulk who without Banner's influence had no rage limits or by extension no limits to his rage fueled powers such as his strength and his insane durability and regeneration.
In an all out match as everyone is stating people think Superman would win hands down. I say it could go either way. People here are making arguments that are quite valid about Superman but forget or dismiss Hulk's feats as well.
I'm unbiased I'd say the fight will be good but to claim Superman will easily beat Hulk in an all out match when Hulk defeated a being far more powerful then himself... Well that's quite illogical.
And Hulk can whistand core solar temperatures. Not outer but core solar temperatures. Last I check that's 15,000,000 kelvin. That's quite a feat of durability and his insane regeneration.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Because he holds back on his speed (and strength for that matter) in combat. But when faced with a serious enough threat, Like Hulk would be, he has no problem using a lot more of the power at his disposal, (as long as he can get him away from civilians first.)
You do realize Hulk also holds back?
Originally posted by IssacFrost
Allow me to state he overpowered and destroyed, the physical part of Onslaught who was already on par with Celestials. He beat the physical manifestation of a being who has reality powers. How in heck will he even beat someone who can control reality? Not to mention a plethora of psionic powers. Heck Onslaught could make anyone believe whatever he wanted. Didn't do much good against Hulk who without Banner's influence had no rage limits or by extension no limits to his rage fueled powers such as his strength and his insane durability and regeneration.In an all out match as everyone is stating people think Superman would win hands down. I say it could go either way. People here are making arguments that are quite valid about Superman but forget or dismiss Hulk's feats as well.
I'm unbiased I'd say the fight will be good but to claim Superman will easily beat Hulk in an all out match when Hulk defeated a being far more powerful then himself... Well that's quite illogical.
And Hulk can whistand core solar temperatures. Not outer but core solar temperatures. Last I check that's 15,000,000 kelvin. That's quite a feat of durability and his insane regeneration.
I agree with everything else however, hulk would give superman a good fight. I persoanlly believe SM would take a majority, well see how this new WBH under a degree of control and with banners intellect turns out. I might change my vote in the future
Originally posted by IssacFrost
You do realize Hulk also holds back?
A point I was actually going to bring up.. So what chance does Hulk have then exactly with a guy who at the very least is several times faster than sound, at most light speed+
A guy also strong enough to move planets, and with Heat Vision Hotter than Stars.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
A point I was actually going to bring up.. So what chance does Hulk have then exactly with a guy who at the very least is several times faster than sound, at most light speed+
A guy also strong enough to move planets, and with Heat Vision Hotter than Stars.
An invalid point since both are considered NOT holding back. That means Hulk's Bruce influence is out of the equation. Superman is NOT holding back that means his moral isn't in play. Both are going all out until one goes down.
Hulk has shown the brutal strength to hold a planet together twice the size of Earth.
Also as Hulk is also NOT holding back that means his rage level is unlimited which fuels his insane durability and regeneration. Hulk can whistand CORE solar temperatures as well as planet-impact (which means the kind that will probably destroy the planet)
I'm not stating points in Hulk's favor I'm just stating what most people here don't seem to understand. Everyone seems to be familiar with Superman and have no clue how ridiculously powerful the Hulk is as well.
With Banner out of the Equation Hulk has no rage limits. Thus his rage fueled strength, durability and regeneration are going to be insane.
Originally posted by 753
why do you say he was on par with celestials exactly? because franklin was stated to be at their level? that is ok, I suppose, onslaught clearly knew his way arround with the power, but in terms of feats he is quite below them. remember that it was jean and cbable who sheltered them from onslaught's psionic attacks and jean was the one who released the mindless hulk. he needed external help to achieve that level. still massive feat and all
He usurped Franklin Richards and Nate Grey's powers who both are Omega Level. In addition Franklin has vast psionic and reality-manipulating powers. Not to mention he already had started way beyond Omega level and when he got Franklin and Nate's powers he jumped to god-like levels. With Reality-manipulating/warping powers he should have not lost that fight. Reality control is quite a very powerful ability reserved for god-like entities. When Superman assaulted a poisoned Darkseid who had achieved similar reality control powers he couldn't do much against the latter. That's how powerful beings with Reality powers are.
So Hulk beat the physical "shell" of a reality warping being but Superman was unable to do the same to Darkseid. That says a lot about Hulk's brutal rage fueled strength. Onslaught went toe to toe with Hulk but ended up having his exterior shell broken. That is quite a feat.
Indeed he needed to shut off Banner's influence with Jean. But here we are assuming neither is holding back which means Superman would be fighting the same Hulk that fought Onslaught.
Originally posted by carver9
Why not 9/10?He can not afford to take a single hit from this version of Hulk or the fight is done. I would put this version of Hulk physically over V&V Despero.
Nuff said.
Which version? And why exactly do you believe Superman cannot take a single punch from whatever version of Hulk you are referring to? Superman has demonstrated he HAS the durability and stamina to take more then one punch from Hulk. Going all out he isn't going to fall to a "single" punch. Superman isn't some weak pansy that goes down to one punch. He can take damage and dish it it out as well. Yes he has been de-powered some but you are stretching it by claiming Superman can't afford a single hit from Hulk. What kind of illogical nonsense is that?
