Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think there's an important distinction between having inferior control over your superstrength and having too much superstrength despite your adept control.

I don't believe Worldbreaker Hulk is a victim of the former. Indeed, he was actually holding back through most of World War Hulk. And I don't believe that Superman losing his control for a moment would take a few steps and wreck the Eastern seaboard. But that's me.

Given his history and the moments he "let go" I'm not even sure that Superman is aware when he isn't holding back for sure, if you know what I mean. His control is better then Hulks, that shouldn't be even arguable and since he has to have control 24/7 (even when sleeping) I'm not sure he can lose his mental bounds (for realz) even if he tries. But that's just me.

^ So doing away with self-control, you think Superman is possessed of strength whereby he would simply walk a few steps and sink the Eastern seaboard?

And I could argue his self-control over strength vs the Hulk's. But that's sorta irrelevant.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ So doing away with self-control, you think Superman is possessed of strength whereby he would simply walk a few steps and sink the Eastern seaboard?

And I could argue his self-control over strength vs the Hulk's. But that's become irrelevant.

I don't think he would need to, he can fly and he doesn't stomp while walking... now that I think about it... anyway. If he would stomp, without all his mental bounds then yes. even when slightly angry he split an moon in half, scarred another moon with an indirect "angry" punch. There is nothing special about it. This is simply something no one cared or cares about in comics, it's more interesting to let them fight and see the colateral damage then let them walk and see the destruction. It's a nice idea though but nothing that can't be repeated by any 100 class brick imho.

^ I'm not talking about stomping. I'm talking about simple footsteps.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'm not talking about stomping. I'm talking about simple footsteps.

Hulk doesn't make simple footsteps when he can't control his strength, don't you think?

^ ... you're suggesting Worldbreaker Hulk couldn't have taken a full force stomp in World War Hulk or that the footstep was his full force stomp?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ... you're suggesting Worldbreaker Hulk couldn't have taken a full force stomp in World War Hulk or that the footstep was his full force stomp?

I'm suggesting that WB lost control and that this footstep wasn't a normal footstep at all as he didn't had the control, makes sense, don't you think?

^ ... no, not at all. Worldbreaker Hulk could have put everything he had into that footstep. He obviously didn't. It was the exact opposite. He was trying (unsuccesfully) to hold back his strength. But he just had too much strength.

There's a difference between not having enough control and having too much strength. I think you're conflating the two. Superman, to my knowledge, has no feats suggesting that he would threaten continental coastlines by just walking (not stomping) around.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ... no, not at all. Worldbreaker Hulk could have put everything he had into that footstep. He obviously didn't. It was the exact opposite. He was trying (unsuccesfully) to hold back his strength. But he just had too much strength.

There's a difference between not having enough control and having too much strength. I think you're conflating the two. Superman, to my knowledge, has no feats suggesting that he would threaten continental coastlines by just walking (not stomping) around.

Your opinion. It wasn't a normal footstep at all, you said it yourself, he wasn't successful holding back. Let me put it this way. If WB would have stomped with all he has, he would probably destroy the planet. If Superman would punch the earth with all he has he would most probably do the same. Between an Punch and an kick/stomp, there shouldn't be a great gap, in this tier. So yes, under similar circumstances and all out, groundbound Superman could accomplish the same.

Of course he doesn't but you're talking to Batman Prime about superman and you must remember that. Did he actually bring up the feat where superman destroyed a moon but was KO'd in the process? Jesus.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Your opinion. It wasn't a normal footstep at all, you said it yourself, he wasn't successful holding back. Let me put it this way. If WB would have stomped with all he has, he would probably destroy the planet. If Superman would punch the earth with all he has he would most probably do the same. Between an Punch and an kick/stomp, there shouldn't be a great gap, in this tier. So yes, under similar circumstances and all out, groundbound Superman could accomplish the same.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course he doesn't but you're talking to Batman Prime about superman and you must remember that. Did he actually bring up the feat where superman destroyed a moon but was KO'd in the process? Jesus.

And it was a normal Moon, right? There was nothing to suggest it was something special about it, right? sleepy

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And Superman simply walking around wouldn't threaten the continental coastline. I don't see what's hard to understand about this.

Superman is constantly holding back, I don't know what's so hard to understand about this.

^ And he isn't threatening continental coastlines when he walks around. There's a clue there somewhere.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
And it was a normal Moon, right? There was nothing to suggest it was something special about it, right? sleepy

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Your opinion. It wasn't a normal footstep at all, you said it yourself, he wasn't successful holding back. Let me put it this way. If WB would have stomped with all he has, he would probably destroy the planet. If Superman would punch the earth with all he has he would most probably do the same. Between an Punch and an kick/stomp, there shouldn't be a great gap, in this tier. So yes, under similar circumstances and all out, groundbound Superman could accomplish the same.

Going by FT, Supes, Thor Sentry, and Savage Hulk are equals... WWH is stronger than all of them. Do you have any proof of anything you just said Supes could do. Stop talking and provide scans.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Superman is constantly holding back, I don't know what's so hard to understand about this.

He didn't hold back against Wonder Woman and the collateral damage besides her impact on the planet was minimum at best. Why diet the continent sink when he fought Wondy?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Hulk doesn't make simple footsteps when he can't control his strength, don't you think?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ And he isn't threatening continental coastlines when he walks around. There's a clue there somewhere. No. No, there wasn't.

Yes because he is holding back. I know your opinion, you know mine, circular debating isn't very entertaining.
At least you confessed that Hulk wasn't successful at holding back his strength and that this footstep wasn't a normal footstep at all.

Originally posted by carver9
Going by FT, Supes, Thor Sentry, and Savage Hulk are equals... WWH is stronger than all of them. Do you have any proof of anything you just said Supes could do. Stop talking and provide scans.

I told you about the feats, which are more then sufficient enough to make up for the "continent" stomp/unsucessful-holdback-step" "lol". You lowballed then and dismissed them. The scarred moon feat was more impressive, as was the split in half, a bigger collateral damage.

As for the wondy fight. I don't want to go there but he still didn't want to destroy the planet while fighting her, didn't he?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I told you about the feats, which are more then sufficient enough to make up for the "continent" stomp/unsucessful-holdback-step" "lol". You lowballed then and dismissed them. The scarred moon feat was more impressive, as was the split in half, a bigger collateral damage.

As for the wondy fight. I don't want to go there but he still didn't want to destroy the planet while fighting her, didn't he?

I didn't even know someone picked up that Superman destroyed a portion of the moon with that attack. I seen it as Black Racer using powers to slap Superman off of him which eventually hurt Superman hands during the process and sent him flying backwards. Show me where you got the idea of it being Supes that did that. The rest of your FTs, no, just no. He propelled his body at the speed of light and rammed the moon. That was more of a durability showing in which he got koed. Now if he stood on the shadow moon and punched it to dust, you would have a legit argument.