It's generous to assume that Hulk is as strong as Superman (especially a no holding back). But we are nice and say they are equals. Except for durability and HF, the Hulk has nothing on Supes. Carver, except for exaggerating Hulks feats and lowballing Supes feats, what gives you the impression that Hulk is stronger?
Why did I even asked?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It's generous to assume that Hulk is as strong as Superman (especially a no holding back). But we are nice and say they are equals. Except for durability and HF, the Hulk has nothing on Supes. Carver, except for exaggerating Hulks feats and lowballing Supes feats, what gives you the impression that Hulk is stronger?Why did I even asked?
Common sense puts Hulk above Superman physically. It's debatable if Supes is stronger than Savage Hulk going by feats. Current Hulk makes Savage Hulk look like a pile of unwashed dirty cloths. Now in order for you to think that Superman is even in Current Hulk ball park when it comes to strength, you would have to also believe that he is significantly stronger than Savage Hulk and if you believe that then you are lying to yourself.
^ facepalm x2
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeIf I had to guess, carver9 thinks that because those feats were accomplished when Superman was pushing himself mightily, whereas Worldbreaker does continental feats while holding back mightily.
Why do you think that Superman can't destroy a City or Continent? His Punch against the Black Racer left INDIRECTLY a huge scar on the moon that was visible from other planets. He destroyed the ShadowMoon and split another in two. He lifted half of infinity, two times... So why is he weaker?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Why do you think that Superman can't destroy a City or Continent? His Punch against the Black Racer left INDIRECTLY a huge scar on the moon that was visible from other planets. He destroyed the ShadowMoon and split another in two. He lifted half of infinity, two times... So why is he weaker?
Superman punch did not cause that crater in the moon, it was Black Racer energy that propelled from his body during the time Superman tried to attack him. The shadow moon? Please tell me you didn't bring that up. Superman generally is on par with Thor who is slightly weaker than Savage Hulk who is FAR weaker than Current Hulk.
nothing has been shown to suggest that he is anything close t what current Hulk is and nothing has been shown that he is significantly stronger than Thor who is slightly weaker than Savage Hulk who is far weaker than Current Hulk.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ facepalm x2 If I had to guess, carver9 thinks that because those feats were accomplished when Superman was pushing himself mightily, whereas Worldbreaker does continental feats while holding back mightily.
And Supermans feats are more impressive, mightly... and his limits are still not known.
Giving them an equal in strength is the best way to go imho. Doing both Chars justice.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Superman is as strong as he has to. He is known to hold back and get his ass beat on a 1st encounter as he holds back. Once he realizes his opponent level he makes appropriate adjustments. Superman lays a worse beatdown than the one Zeus gave him.
Doesn't every hero have this ability of winning during the second round?
Originally posted by carver9
Superman punch did not cause that crater in the moon, it was Black Racer energy that propelled from his body during the time Superman tried to attack him. The shadow moon? Please tell me you didn't bring that up. Superman generally is on par with Thor who is slightly weaker than Savage Hulk who is FAR weaker than Current Hulk. When you can show me Superman punching two 100 ft big a** being out of orbit taking a large chunk of the city with them, then you'll probably convince me. When you can show me Superman shrugging off a punch that created a nuclear explosion, then you can probably convince me. When you can show me Superman "not even trying to do it" footsteps destroy continents, then you could probably convince me. When you can show me a weakened Superman holding a planet together twice the size of Earth, then you probably can convince me. When you can show me Superman lifting up a mountain and tossing it a couple of miles and then punching the ground, destroying the entire area around him which cause volcanoes to erupt and lava to spill from the ground, then you can probably convince me. When you can show me Superman walking through 2 beings 1000s of times more powerful than Savage Hulk without breaking a sweat, then you'll convince me.Until then, nothing has been shown to suggest that he is anything close t what current Hulk is and nothing has been shown that he is significantly stronger than Thor who is slightly weaker than Savage Hulk who is far weaker than Current Hulk.
Lowbaling as usual and the Black Racer himself stated that Superman scarred the moon... facepalm
The rest is "Show me Superman doing EXACTLY the SAME feats as Hulk, else I will ignore everything he did" nonsense.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI just don't see Superman doing his best to hold back his strength, take a few steps on the ground and nearly sink the Eastern seaboard. I don't think you do either.
And Supermans feats are more impressive, mightly... and his limits are still not known.Giving them an equal in strength is the best way to go imho. Doing both Chars justice.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Lowbaling as usual and the Black Racer himself stated that Superman scarred the moon... facepalmThe rest is "Show me Superman doing EXACTLY the SAME feats as Hulk, else I will ignore everything he did" nonsense.
I edited my post. Please answer onedumb question and who is stronger, Thor or Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Both characters going all out, Hulk keeps doing his thunder clapped that koed Rulk, Superman would never get close to Jim and would probably fall if he keeps getting hit by them repeatedly.
You have to remember Superman can Easily run several times faster than the speed of sound.. Easily fast enough to outrun a thunderclap, fast enough to be hittng Hulk with multiple punches before Hulk can even clap his hands together..
In fact Fast enough to just be standing behind the Hulk at all times punching in from behind (although that I admit would be totally out of character)..
I see this fight as Hulk getting in hits at first, but Supes quickly realising the kind of heavy weigth he's dealing with and then deciding to blitz him, like he's done against Mongul in the past or like this:
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Originally posted by carver9
As for the rest of your post, remember this. I'm not saying that Spiderman is faster but comic wise,minus flash like characters or anime characters, Spiderman has the best combat speed feats in a comic. It ranges from blitzing Masterson Thor, someone who has speed feats himself and tagged some of the fastest beings in Marvel, to blitzing absorbing man, someone that has moved so fast that he turned into a living tornados to blitzing firelord, someone that has ftl feats as well, even matching Supermans, to blitzing entire teams before they can react. Spiderman has dodged lightning point blank range, dodge hundreds of repulsor rays coming from Ironman point blank range as well, sliding in between the cracks. Created 10 to 20 after images before a person could even get off an attack and doing multiple of combos during this blitz.
Well Spiderman of course is no slow coach, but yeah those guys were way out of his league. But he gets away with it because of his Spider Sense..
He can anticipate where an attack is coming from just as it's about to happen, and then uses his flexibility to position himself just right to avoid those attacks, and attack back at just the right moment.
Trust me I know, I was a big Spidey fan when I was a kid Lol..
You have to also remember Spidey is Marvel's Icon, so they gotto give him something to use against the big leagues.
As for Thor and Absorbing Man's speed feats, they're more just travelling feats I think,(Masterson Thor might be able to Throw/Spin his hammer at incredible speeds too) but neither of them have anything close to Lightspeed reflexes.
Originally posted by carver9
Guess what, even with all of these showings, Captain America can still land blows...do you want to know why... We go by consistency, not HIGH showings.
Well he usually just slugs it out with Captain America.
Originally posted by carver9
Hell, Wolverine and Spiderman looks better against bricks than almost any Herald but they still do not get the hype that heralds tend to get.
Wolverine has also become quite an Iconic Marvel character. Marvel likes to show them in good light where possible, whilst admitting these 2 are not the heavy weights of the MU.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I just don't see Superman doing his best to hold back his strength, take a few steps on the ground and nearly sink the Eastern seaboard. I don't think you do either.
Superman learned it since he was small. He holds back else he would kill with but a touch.
Originally posted by carver9
I edited my post. Please answer onedumb question and who is stronger, Thor or Superman.
I don't think that current Hulk is much much stronger then Savage Hulk. You illlogic didn't esscape me though. You consistently try to imply that Savage Hulk was much much weaker, then bring up Savage Hulks best strength feats and argue that he is much much weaker, current Hulk could do the same and even more. It's DBZ logic at finest, even though Goku never destroyed a moon on his own (IIRC) and about everyone had a powerful charge up attack powerful enough to destroy an planet you will always use Roshi destroying a moon with ease and say that since Goku is now much much more powerful he can destroy an Galaxy or whatever.
Anyway. Current Hulk = Savage Hulk at his very best.
WM Thor >= Savage Hulk at his best/Current Hulk = Superman >= Thor
Satisfied?
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI think there's an important distinction between having inferior control over your superstrength and having too much superstrength despite your adept control.
Superman learned it since he was small. He holds back else he would kill with but a touch.
I don't believe Worldbreaker Hulk is a victim of the former. Indeed, he was actually holding back through most of World War Hulk. And I don't believe that Superman losing his control for a moment would take a few steps and wreck the Eastern seaboard. But that's me.