Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by abhilegend
According to herochat WB hulk as depicted in IH 632 can defeat owaw superman, classic juggernaut, nova prime and vision at the same time. How right is this as I haven't read the issue?

According to a recent interview that was staged by some of Marvel top writers, it was stated that Hulk could take on the entire line up of JLA and Avengers combined without going into world breaker mode. I disagree with this but I see where they are trying to take Hulk.

They also keep stating nothing short of Galactus can stop him but yet had him lose to Zeus. I wonder if hulk was holding back.

Originally posted by cdtm
I'd take anything argued at Herochat with a grain of salt, personally.. At least with CBR, you know they're arguing feats disconnected from characters, but Herochat tends to go back and forth between "Character did X feat, so he pwns" to "In the comics, character never or rarely does X, so he gets pwned".

I've seen them use double standards too, like playing down Superman beating Eclipsed Lar Gand, while playing up how Cap held his own with Eclipsed Superman, ending with a "Cap wins" conclusion...

Not to knock the forum in general.. Every place has fanboyism, and Herochat has some good posters. I just wouldn't take their word as gospal, since using someone else interpretation or opinion is pretty shaky debating tactics in general, over going to the sources yourself and hammering our opinions here.....

What makes your words any better than the people on hero chat? I have yet to see any type of proof on any of your post.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Why would he get caught eventually?

Supes is fast enough to make Hulk look like a statue relative to him.

You haven't proved that though.

Hulk doesn't have human level speed. Against Marvel's "Supermen" he has never been outclassed speed-wise and they all have speed feats that rival Superman's.

I'm unsure of Hulks absolute best speed feat or whether his adaptation plays a part in helping him keep up with those guys but I do know he can move and react far faster than sound.

Originally posted by carver9
What makes your words any better than the people on hero chat? I have yet to see any type of proof on any of your post.

On what, Supermans speed? I have cited some examples..

But if you need proof that Superman has high level super speed, you know nothing about the character, and probably shouldn't be debating against him.

Originally posted by carver9
According to a recent interview that was staged by some of Marvel top writers, it was stated that Hulk could take on the entire line up of JLA and Avengers combined without going into world breaker mode. I disagree with this but I see where they are trying to take Hulk.

They also keep stating nothing short of Galactus can stop him but yet had him lose to Zeus. I wonder if hulk was holding back.

I am pretty sure it was pak who said that and it was the same pak who wrote him losing to Zeus.And if there was anyone clearly holding back in that fight it as Zeus. Hulk has not beaten anyone on the level that it would makes me think it would take Galactus to stop him.

Originally posted by carver9
According to a recent interview that was staged by some of Marvel top writers, it was stated that Hulk could take on the entire line up of JLA and Avengers combined without going into world breaker mode. I disagree with this but I see where they are trying to take Hulk.

They also keep stating nothing short of Galactus can stop him but yet had him lose to Zeus. I wonder if hulk was holding back.

Originally posted by carver9
What makes your words any better than the people on hero chat? I have yet to see any type of proof on any of your post.

Carver, you've been show scans of Superman's speed several times by me and Pr alone. Seriously, give it a rest. Superman has close to Flash level speed.

These scans are from Superman 709.

It's all there. Superman speeds up his senses to match Flash and the world is a statue to him. This is well within his abilities, he can do it instantly and it's a viable tactic for this forum.

Originally posted by cdtm
On what, Supermans speed? I have cited some examples..

But if you need proof that Superman has high level super speed, you know nothing about the character, and probably shouldn't be debating against him.

Do you need proof that Hyperion, Gladiator, Genis, and Sentry can move at high speeds because Hulk did pretty well tagging them.

Originally posted by Badabing
And that means squat without feats here Carver. You know that. facepalm

Carver, you've been show scans of Superman's speed several times by me and Pr alone. Seriously, give it a rest. Superman has close to Flash level speed.

These scans are from Superman 709.

It's all there. Superman speeds up his senses to match Flash and the world is a statue to him. This is well within his abilities, he can do it instantly and it's a viable tactic for this forum.

I agree, he can move at high speeds. That's not my argument though. I know Superman is fast... I also know the people Hulk has crushed is fast as well.

I don't agree with the interview either. I think there are numerous of people below Galactus that can take Hulk out.

LoL@Hulk taking on the JLA and the Avengers combined.

Talk about character wanking. Whoever said that is fkn retarded. Even if that was the case, what would be the fun in having a character that powerful?

HULK smash!!!

Originally posted by The Sorrow
You haven't proved that though.

Hulk doesn't have human level speed. Against Marvel's "Supermen" he has never been outclassed speed-wise and they all have speed feats that rival Superman's.

I'm unsure of Hulks absolute best speed feat or whether his adaptation plays a part in helping him keep up with those guys but I do know he can move and react far faster than sound.

Hulk's speed has never been attributed to either his rage or adaptability if they came out right now and said it I would have no problem with it as it would make sense but until this do it does not.

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Originally posted by The Sorrow
You haven't proved that though.

Hulk doesn't have human level speed. Against Marvel's "Supermen" he has never been outclassed speed-wise and they all have speed feats that rival Superman's.

I'm unsure of Hulks absolute best speed feat or whether his adaptation plays a part in helping him keep up with those guys but I do know he can move and react far faster than sound.

Batmans managed to stay one step ahead of Superman in nearly every encounter, except Infinite Crisis and maybe one or two exceptions. He's even cited Superman using his super speed in Hush, yet still kept ahead of him.

Doesn't mean he has super speed.

Nor does Jim Harper have super speed, simply because he was dancing around Byrne era Superman.

Deathstroke beating up Wally doesn't give him super speed, either.

It takes more than catching a speedster with an attack to be considered a speedster, as speedsters often get written down for the sake of story.

Hulk definitely does have feats proving super speed, though, but nothing suggesting he's close to Supermans (Or Gladiators, for that matter) speed.

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Originally posted by muchalucha
everything you stated is a huge pile of PIS so whats your point? that PIS exist?

My point should be obvious, if you read the post I was replying to.

Hulk never being outclassed in speed by Gladiator is as much PIS as Slade not being outclassed by Flash, or Batman not being outclassed by Superman. Hulk beating up characters as fast or faster than Superman proves nothing about his speed.

Speedsters being written down to make a compelling fight, is not sufficient evidence.

Does Colossus have superspeed too? Since he also quite adequately kept up with Gladiator in trading punches?

Originally posted by cdtm
My point should be obvious, if you read the post I was replying to.

Hulk never being outclassed in speed by Gladiator is as much PIS as Slade not being outclassed by Flash, or Batman not being outclassed by Superman. Hulk beating up characters as fast or faster than Superman proves nothing about his speed.

You would have a point if hulk wasn't complimented more than once on his super speed.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Speedsters being written down to make a compelling fight, is not sufficient evidence.

Does Colossus have superspeed too? Since he also quite adequately kept up with Gladiator in trading punches?

All of this is pointless since CIS is on.

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