Originally posted by carver9This battle is at a default arena. There are no civilians or buildings. Supes won't have to worry about letting loose. So there really is no CIS for Supes at this point. He has knowledge of Hulk and fights at full capacity...unless you're trying to argue that Superman is very stupid and the full capacity rule doesn't apply.
All of this is pointless since CIS is on.
Originally posted by Badabing
This battle is at a default arena. There are no civilians or buildings. Supes won't have to worry about letting loose. So there really is no CIS for Supes at this point. He has knowledge of Hulk and fights at full capacity...unless you're trying to argue that Superman is very stupid and the full capacity rule doesn't apply.
Lol...that's not what I am saying. What I am saying is "Supes will hold the speed advantage but he will still get tagged in this fight since Hulk has shown that he is capable of tagging fast opponents. I am also using Supes "in character". He will use his speed but not in the fashion that is outside of his character.
If we debated any other way, I could easily argue that Gladiator could take Odin but incharacter, it ain't happening.
Originally posted by carver9Supes in character means he won't go for the kill from the get go or do anything crazy.
Lol...that's not what I am saying. What I am saying is "Supes will hold the speed advantage but he will still get tagged in this fight since Hulk has shown that he is capable of tagging fast opponents. I am also using Supes "in character". He will use his speed but not in the fashion that is outside of his character.If we debated any other way, I could easily argue that Gladiator could take Odin but incharacter, it ain't happening.
And you keep saying he'll get tagged. But you haven't countered the scans I posted where Supes amped up his senses and everything froze in time except him and Flash. Like I said, there is nothing holding Superman back in a featureless environment.
What do Glads and Odin have to do with this thread? Odin would know what Glads was up to and wouldn't need a speed advantage. Also, you're trying to compare a Superman clone and skyfather to Superman vs Hulk. Not happening. They are 2 entirely different fights. It's a red herring tactic.
Instead of trying to de-ball and dumb down Superman, you should be finding feats where Hulk tagged someone using speed. Like I've already done:
Originally posted by Badabing
This is my contribution. I don't care what anyone says, these scans show Hulk reacting to a speed blitz!
Here Flash says Superman runs at Over 2000miles per second..
Thats almost 10,000 times the speed of sound..
If we're generous and say the Hulk can move faster than sound, and even more generous and say he's 5 times faster than sound, that would still be 2000 times slower than Supes can move.
Originally posted by cdtm
Batmans managed to stay one step ahead of Superman in nearly every encounter, except Infinite Crisis and maybe one or two exceptions. He's even cited Superman using his super speed in Hush, yet still kept ahead of him.Doesn't mean he has super speed.
Nor does Jim Harper have super speed, simply because he was dancing around Byrne era Superman.
Deathstroke beating up Wally doesn't give him super speed, either.
It takes more than catching a speedster with an attack to be considered a speedster, as speedsters often get written down for the sake of story.
Deathstroke and Batman are guys who prep for everything though and both are extremely agile. We know they don't have superspeed because they are (supposed to be) peak humans but we know Hulk does have superspeed. Spiderman can dodge the Hulk we know he isn't faster based on feats but he is far more agile.
Hulk definitely does have feats proving super speed, though, but nothing suggesting he's close to Supermans (Or Gladiators, for that matter) speed.
There's also catching someone with a lucky shot and someone trying to use superspeed and failing resulting in a change in tactics i.e. Hulk v Gladiator or Hulk v Sentry. He doesn't have to match them strike for strike all it takes is one hit but again to say Superman would fight Hulk and not get touched is IMO lowballing to say the least.
Even in his earliest appearances when he was slower, Silver Surfer appeared as a blur to him but yet Hulk still was able to grab him mid-flight.
Originally posted by Badabing
Supes in character means he won't go for the kill from the get go or do anything crazy.And you keep saying he'll get tagged. But you haven't countered the scans I posted where Supes amped up his senses and everything froze in time except him and Flash. Like I said, there is nothing holding Superman back in a featureless environment.
What do Glads and Odin have to do with this thread? Odin would know what Glads was up to and wouldn't need a speed advantage. Also, you're trying to compare a Superman clone and skyfather to Superman vs Hulk. Not happening. They are 2 entirely different fights. It's a red herring tactic.
Instead of trying to de-ball and dumb down Superman, you should be finding feats where Hulk tagged someone using speed. Like I've already done:
Bada, I'm not trying to debunk superman, I agreed with you ctm and whoever else that said he is fast. What I am saying is that Hulk has speed of his own.
Lol... I think Bada is in that mood to try and own someone in a debate, the thing is, everything you are saying, I agree 100% with.
I am a firm believer that Hulk, Doomsday, Darkseid, Odin, and numerous of others have speed of their own to keep up with people like Supes, Gladiator, and whoever else ( except the Flashes)... So can we get back on topic instead of Bada trying to rip through me in a debating topic 😉 .
Back on topic ... Hulk>> Thanos.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=superman+vs+flash&hl=en&sa=X&tbm=isch&prmd=ivns&tbnid=IFFwComVYny6sM:&imgrefurl=http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/flash-vs-superman/391323/&docid=ZLFW3wIUgV-wJM&w=425&h=335&ei=1ns0To31Lce6hAem3ZX-Cg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=166&vpy=80&dur=828&hovh=199&hovw=253&tx=144&ty=114&page=1&tbnh=121&tbnw=148&start=0&ndsp=37&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&biw=1440&bih=701Here Flash says Superman runs at Over 2000miles per second..
Thats almost 10,000 times the speed of sound..
If we're generous and say the Hulk can move faster than sound, and even more generous and say he's 5 times faster than sound, that would still be 2000 times slower than Supes can move.
I always used that scan as a pure indication of how fast Superman truly is since he was trying with everything to grab the Flash. This is outside of Space Flight.
I still think that is faster than the Hulk but like I said, Hulk relfexes and durability will gain him that ability to hit Superman. A thundeclap can also knock him off course.
Originally posted by carver9
I always used that scan as a pure indication of how fast Superman truly is since he was trying with everything to grab the Flash. This is outside of Space Flight.I still think that is faster than the Hulk but like I said, Hulk relfexes and durability will gain him that ability to hit Superman. A thundeclap can also knock him off course.
But you don't understand logic. If both stand 6 feet from each other and assuming Superman is 1000x faster (he's much more than that) then Superman can punch Hulk in the face before Hulk moves one inch. If Superman allowed Hulk to hit him in order to gauge his power then Superman can anytime make Hulk a statue anytime in the battle.
Comics don't allow Superman to use his speed on bricks a lot because we wouldn't have a story. There would be no challenge or adversity. Some good examples are Superman fights against DD rex and Mongol.
This thread is here just for fun (to reminisce about the old days of Superman vs. Hulk when people didn't know any better). Everyone knows that Superman will spite stomp any Hulk 10/10 if the two fought in a neutral reality (not in a comic). Never forget that.
Originally posted by h1a8
But you don't understand logic. If both stand 6 feet from each other and assuming Superman is 1000x faster (he's much more than that) then Superman can punch Hulk in the face before Hulk moves one inch. If Superman allowed Hulk to hit him in order to gauge his power then Superman can anytime make Hulk a statue anytime in the battle.Comics don't allow Superman to use his speed on bricks a lot because we wouldn't have a story. There would be no challenge or adversity. Some good examples are Superman fights against DD rex and Mongol.
This thread is here just for fun (to reminisce about the old days of Superman vs. Hulk when people didn't know any better). Everyone knows that Superman will spite stomp any Hulk 10/10 if the two fought in a neutral reality (not in a comic). Never forget that.
I guess that's why Flash, Zoom, and Quicksilver doesn't use their speed huh?
Originally posted by carver9
No one is saying that Superman is slow but Hulk is fast as well which is what half of you are ignoring.
There are different levels of speed. Yes Hulk is fast, but only relative to a human.
A supersonic bullet is very fast to a human (almost instantaneous). But a bullet's speed is nothing compared to a space shuttle or even the speed of light (not even 0.0001% of the speed of light). So just because someone displays speed (in human perspective) doesn't automatically give them the speed to deal with ANY SPEED.
These arguments about speed are unnecessary.
We all know Superman is going to fly in head on as his done against almost every single brick he has ever encountered. Banner will proceed to beat him down.
Frankly, I doubt Superman going for a full blitz from the whistle and defeating Hulk with a flurry of blows is much more likely than Hulk using his Gamma math to negate Clark's speed advantage. Assuming Clark can accomplish the goal even if he chose to. There's almost always a trade off of power for speed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYeah, no.
These arguments about speed are unnecessary.We all know Superman is going to fly in head on as his done against almost every single brick he has ever encountered. Banner will proceed to beat him down.
Frankly, I doubt Superman going for a full blitz from the whistle and defeating Hulk with a flurry of blows is much more likely than Hulk using his Gamma math to negate Clark's speed advantage. Assuming Clark can accomplish the goal even if he chose to. There's almost always a trade off of power for speed.
That's how Thor loses to Hulk. Superman won't play that game.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
He knows what he doing just seeing how far he can push it.
I don't get you all. I am agreeing with every last one of you all. I'm not trying to push anything. I said Superman is fast. Hell, I think in a fight against any Herald (minus Gladiator), he would land the most licks. What more do you want me to say? I don't get it.
Originally posted by Badabing
Yeah, no.
YouTube videoThat's how Thor loses to Hulk. Superman won't play that game.
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