Originally posted by cdtm
That's the problem. Can't punch him, if he can't touch him.
Except that based off the vast majority of comics and Superman's character and natural CIS, Hulk will punch him.
Unless Superman goes into "Ultimate Speedblitz/Counter Vibration Mode", which is likely not to happen, he's going to be hit by the Hulk.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except that based off the vast majority of comics and Superman's character and natural CIS, Hulk will punch him.
Superman forgetting to use his speed is PIS, not CIS. The same as Thor forgetting he has tons of options to stop Hulk, and just not using them.
The plot demands a fight lasting more than a panel, so he gets written down. Put him up against someone on his level, and watch the PIS melt away..
Originally posted by cdtm
Superman forgetting to use his speed is PIS, not CIS. The same as Thor forgetting he has tons of options to stop Hulk, and just not using them.The plot demands a fight lasting more than a panel, so he gets written down. Put him up against someone on his level, and watch the PIS melt away..
It's not plot based stupidity. It's Superman not using his speed in the way people think he should. Thor not using exotic means to beat Hulk is also CIS, not PIS. Thor chooses to fight Hulk on his level.
Even when Superman fights people "on his level", he still doesn't use his speed like people are convinced he should.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's not plot based stupidity. It's Superman not using his speed in the way people think he should. Thor not using exotic means to beat Hulk is also CIS, not PIS. Thor chooses to fight Hulk on his level.Even when Superman fights people "on his level", he still doesn't use his speed like people are convinced he should.
If Thor states he's fighting down to Hulks level, or it's implied, that's CIS, because it's the character choosing to restrict his performance.
That's entirely different than a character simply not using a power, or restricting it's use, because it would end most fights in one panel. Flash is a staple example of this, as there's no excuse why he doesn't simply end his fights against Captain Boomerang or Captain Cold right away, except to service the plot.
And Superman does have examples of using his powers the way fans think he should use them. Against Lobo in Eclipso: The Darkness Within, against Cyborg Superman in Trial of Superman, against Mongul in Imperiex Saga and Infinite Crisis..
He does it rarely, but there's no real reason he can't do that on a comic board, as there's no indication he purposely restricts his powers.
Originally posted by cdtm
If Thor states he's fighting down to Hulks level, or it's implied, that's CIS, because it's the character choosing to restrict his performance.That's entirely different than a character simply not using a power, or restricting it's use, because it would end most fights in one panel. Flash is a staple example of this, as there's no excuse why he doesn't simply end his fights against Captain Boomerang or Captain Cold right away, except to service the plot.
And Superman does have examples of using his powers the way fans think he should use them. Against Lobo in Eclipso: The Darkness Within, against Cyborg Superman in Trial of Superman, against Mongul in Imperiex Saga and Infinite Crisis..
He does it rarely, but there's no real reason he can't do that on a comic board, as there's no indication he purposely restricts his powers.
Which is what Thor does.
So, iyo, Superman or Flash not using their speed to annihilate the opposition (within reason) is as valid as Thor not auto summoning cosmic storms or Anti-Forcing or God Blasting powerful foes instead of just brawling with his fists and hammer?
Superman has instances of using his speed creatively to avoid being tagged or "speed blitzing"/rushing an opponent before they react. Which is still entirely different from some of the farciful scenarios of Superman punching someone 1000 - 100000000000 times in a second or constantly vibrating through someone's attacks for the entire duration of the fight.
And Superman doesn't regularly use that speed to some of the extremes that people think he does. Not by a long shot. And Superman is notorious for "holding back".
Just like Hulk is now, apparently.
Originally posted by carver9
Then why even make battles when we can easily just say Thor beats Superman 10/10 via bfring him or simply soul sucking him? Surfer beats Supes 10/10 via draining, turning his cloths to k-nite or simply turning his solar energy stored in his body into red solar energy.Do you see how stupid that is?
Thor, Surfer, Galactus, Odin, along with 100's of others would be pretty much unbeatable if we went the route you all are taking this. That's why we use "fight in character" because people would be spamming threads with ridiculous comments like you all are making unless you truly do believe Thor and Surfer can take 10/10 against Supes.
So I ask this again.
Originally posted by cdtmexactly
If Thor states he's fighting down to Hulks level, or it's implied, that's CIS, because it's the character choosing to restrict his performance.That's entirely different than a character simply not using a power, or restricting it's use, because it would end most fights in one panel. Flash is a staple example of this, as there's no excuse why he doesn't simply end his fights against Captain Boomerang or Captain Cold right away, except to service the plot.
thor is a warrior with extra powers ontop, he doesn't have to use them most of the time and usually doesn't till it's crucial (case in point going up against the destroyer H2H after the latter steamrolled the avengers, only to bfr him when he could have done so from jump; mangog; perikkus; etc). that's thor
flash on the other hand is a retarded character that shouldn't have powers like he does cause it fundamentally breaks the reading experience
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which is what Thor does.So, iyo, Superman or Flash not using their speed to annihilate the opposition (within reason) is as valid as Thor not auto summoning cosmic storms or Anti-Forcing or God Blasting powerful foes instead of just brawling with his fists and hammer?
Absolutely, yes.
As long as Thor doesn't purposely restrict his powers, it's PIS, imo.
The CIS is more "Superman doesn't kill" or "Thor doesn't kill". Pulling their blows or restricting their powers to non lethal levels is entirely in their character.
But that's never given either character a problem with scoring KO's when needed.
Originally posted by cdtmAbsolutely false. We argue based off what's in character not cbrish powersets using their absolute best feats. You'd think you would have understood the way it works over here by now.
Superman forgetting to use his speed is PIS, not CIS. The same as Thor forgetting he has tons of options to stop Hulk, and just not using them.The plot demands a fight lasting more than a panel, so he gets written down. Put him up against someone on his level, and watch the PIS melt away..
Thor could easily defeat most opponents through non-lethal means with Mjolnir and his powers. He chooses not to.
That's called CIS, with extra emphasize on the "stupidity". I don't like it at times, but that's his character and I deal with it. Superman could likewise just freeze most of his opponents with his breath for the easy incapacitation instead of slugging it out, but he chooses not to.
I don't mind Superman's speed being a factor - and it is one - but let's not blow it of proportion and think that Kal's going to render himself untouchable to the Hulk. It's not likely at all when you look at the big picture.
Originally posted by JakeTheBanka daily routine for clark kent should be re-freezing all of metropolis' criminals (and gotham's while he's out) on his lunch breaks. he could keep them all at the fortress away from everyone else, nullifying prison breaks
Superman could likewise just freeze most of his opponents with his breath for the easy incapacitation instead of slugging it out, but he chooses not to.
fly in, add a new layer of ice, get back to the daily planet before the coffee gets stolen.
but he chooses not to.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
a daily routine for clark kent should be re-freezing all of metropolis' criminals (and gotham's while he's out) on his lunch breaks. he could keep them all at the fortress away from everyone else, nullifying prison breaksbut he chooses not to.
It's within his power set to do so.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor could easily defeat most opponents through non-lethal means with Mjolnir and his powers. He chooses not to.That's called CIS, with extra emphasize on the "stupidity". I don't like it at times, but that's his character and I deal with it. Superman could likewise just freeze most of his opponents with his breath for the easy incapacitation instead of slugging it out, but he chooses not to.
I don't mind Superman's speed being a factor - and it is one - but let's not blow it of proportion and think that Kal's going to render himself untouchable to the Hulk. It's not likely at all when you look at the big picture.
Why is not likely in the big picture?
In the big picture, Superman's confirmed powerset >>>> Hulk's.
Hulk has no feats to suggest that he should even be able to REGISTER Superman using even a fraction of his speed.
I mean seriously, what top tier in Marvel has shown the speed/coordination/processing speed to rebuild an entire city brick by brick in the order of seconds?
We remove writer-inhibited issues here on battleboards. Hulk will never touch Superman if Superman doesn't want to be touched.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Why is not likely in the big picture?In the big picture, Superman's confirmed powerset >>>> Hulk's.
Hulk has no feats to suggest that he should even be able to REGISTER Superman using even a fraction of his speed.
I mean seriously, what top tier in Marvel has shown the speed/coordination/processing speed to rebuild an entire city brick by brick in the order of seconds?
We remove writer-inhibited issues here on battleboards. Hulk will never touch Superman if Superman doesn't want to be touched.
You do know when Supes built that city he was amped by blue k-nite right?