Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hulk has proven himself to be physically stronger than pre-crisis or post-crisis Superman. Hulk has done the impossible. He has held an energy bubble in his hand. He has crumbled pure adamantium. He overcame the matter antimatter attraction, a feat that defies fundamental laws of physics.
Yawn. Superman has done many, many things that defy the laws, INCLUDING DESTROYING AN ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM WITH A SNEEZE! Pre-Crisis Superman easily had the power to destroy the Hulk and the entire Earth with it. 'Nuff said.
Pre-crisis Superman's feats weren't impressive, they were just stupid. There isn't enough mass in an entire solar system to compose a star, much less in two moons and a couple asteroids. His writers were just goofing off.
And the Hulk's feats aren't often stupid? They keep making Hulk so powerful now that he's nearly invincible. They;re going backwards from where Superman was. They've weakened Superman to give the bad guys a chance, but they keep making the Hulk stronger and stronger. Face it, pre-Crisis Supes whoops any variant of the Hulk.
Also, since you keep posting all the pages from the HvS 1999 crossover, why not post the page I've been talking about? You post every page except that one. Show everyone what really happened in that book.
Originally posted by SupersKillsHulk
Yawn. Superman has done many, many things that defy the laws, INCLUDING DESTROYING AN ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM WITH A SNEEZE! Pre-Crisis Superman easily had the power to destroy the Hulk and the entire Earth with it. 'Nuff said.
And the Hulk's feats aren't often stupid? They keep making Hulk so powerful now that he's nearly invincible. They;re going backwards from where Superman was. They've weakened Superman to give the bad guys a chance, but they keep making the Hulk stronger and stronger. Face it, pre-Crisis Supes whoops any variant of the Hulk.
No feat is as stupid as sneezing away a solar system. That defies logic. Hulk is not unbeatable, either. They aren't making Hulk stronger, that's just his character.
I'll try finding it.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
No feat is as stupid as sneezing away a solar system. That defies logic. Hulk is not unbeatable, either. They aren't making Hulk stronger, that's just his character.I'll try finding it.
Call it stupid if you wish, but it happened, along with numerous other things well beyond anything the Hulk has demonstrated. Also, you complain about logic. Really, how logical is it that the Hulk can punch a planet out of orbit, hold up 150 million tons of mountain, or any of the other fantastic feats of strength he's performed, all because of some gamma rays? Come on, we're talking about comic books here.
Like I said, it should be the page right after this one:
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hulk has proven himself to be physically stronger than pre-crisis or post-crisis Superman. Hulk has done the impossible. He has held an energy bubble in his hand.
puh-lease that is not as impressive as you make that out to be here is superman's weaker little brother doing the same thing to sue's energy bubble... i believe around the same time period when hulk did his. cuz thats all that is. that list of feats from hulklibrary.com that everyone refers to frequently, most of it happened back in the 60s and 70s and shit, so dont think you are fooling anyone for a minute, trying to play it off like all this happened recently
Hulk? is stronger than a pre crisis superman?...right
wow i never seen that fight those were great scans cosmic cube. wow superman took a good thumping on that one. People have to realize that hulk basically is the strongest character strength wise. There is no limit to he strength, he has the ability to get stronger than anyone. I heard talk about superman tossing hulk into space, the point is he didnt and he will never do it cause thats not his character to do so. he would rather die honorably then go for the quick kill.
ive seen he-man beat precrisis superman,didnt spiderman beat superman once? the fight would be pretty even though they each would in 50/50
Originally posted by manjaro
puh-lease that is not as impressive as you make that out to be here is superman's weaker little brother doing the same thing to sue's energy bubble... i believe around the same time period when hulk did his. cuz thats all that is. that list of feats from hulklibrary.com that everyone refers to frequently, most of it happened back in the 60s and 70s and shit, so dont think you are fooling anyone for a minute, trying to play it off like all this happened recentlyHulk? is stronger than a pre crisis superman?...right
Try to understand the difference between an energy bubble and a force field. Force fields are material. Energy is immaterial. It defies physics to grasp energy. If you're going to challenge me, at least have an idea of what you're talking about.
Yes, Savage Hulk has performed greater feats of strength than pre or post crisis Superman. Superman sneezed away a solar system whem Mxyzptlk, (one of the most powerful people in DC,) used magic sneeze powder on him. That is perhaps the stupidest feat of "strength" ever mentioned. A sneeze of such caliber would have destroyed the earth, our solar system, and this other solar system. Pre-crisis Superman wasn't nearly as "powerful" as he was poorly written.
Originally posted by savagerampage
wow i never seen that fight those were great scans cosmic cube. wow superman took a good thumping on that one. People have to realize that hulk basically is the strongest character strength wise. There is no limit to he strength, he has the ability to get stronger than anyone. I heard talk about superman tossing hulk into space, the point is he didnt and he will never do it cause thats not his character to do so. he would rather die honorably then go for the quick kill.ive seen he-man beat precrisis superman,didnt spiderman beat superman once? the fight would be pretty even though they each would in 50/50
If you look at the scans, you'll see that Superman is tossed into space. Ironic, eh?
Yes, Savage Hulk has performed greater feats of strength than pre or post crisis Superman. Superman sneezed away a solar system whem Mxyzptlk, (one of the most powerful people in DC,) used magic sneeze powder on him. That is perhaps the stupidest feat of "strength" ever mentioned. A sneeze of such caliber would have destroyed the earth, our solar system, and this other solar system. Pre-crisis Superman wasn't nearly as "powerful" as he was poorly written.
It doesn't matter whether you like or agree with what Superman is capable of. Face it, pre-Crisis Superman was so insanely powerful that in a no holds barred, two man enter one man leave battle, Superman could annihilate the Hulk without laying a finger on him. You may not like it, but it's the truth.
I hear all this talk about the Hulk and his limitless power. There is a limit to how angry someone can get. Therefore, the Hulk's power is limited. SupermanTV had some scans of the 1999 HvS crossover, including where Superman swung the Hulk around like a ragdoll, but unfortunately they've taken them down. CC, would you please post the scan of that page?
superman can certainly throw the hulk around like a ragdoll there is no question about that. but people tend to discourage other characters when it comes to superman. automatic answer is superman. well superman can be beaten. you also have to look at there personalities. superman, is noble and wouldnt kill, hulk doesnt really care if he kills u or not, especially the savage hulk. so personalities play a big role in the fight. sure superman could throw hulk into space, but it wouldnt happen cause he aint the type of guy. as we have seen, hulk has no problem throwing superman into space. he didnt care if superman died.
also hulk is suppose to have unlimited strength. that is what his whole character is about.
Sigh... How many times do I have to prove that Hulk's strength is limitless? Even if there is a limit to how strong a human can get, that doesn't matter. There is a limit to how much a human can lift. How fast a human can run. How high a human can jump. How much punishment a human can take. Hulk isn't a human.
It has been said countless times that "Hulk's anger has no boundaries." Beyonder himself has said that Hulk is "power incarnate," and can attain limitless strength. Peter David, the Hulk's best and longest running writer has said time and time again, "Hulk's strength is limitless." If you know anything about the Hulk, you know this.
I don't have the scan you're asking about.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It has been said countless times that "Hulk's anger has no boundaries." Beyonder himself has said that Hulk is "power incarnate," and can attain limitless strength. Peter David, the Hulk's best and longest running writer has said time and time again, "Hulk's strength is limitless." If you know anything about the Hulk, you know this.I don't have the scan you're asking about.
You talk about logic, yet you don't see the problem in saying the Hulk's anger has no boundaries. Anger is an emotion, and you can only get so angry. By the time the Hulk was angry enough to be dangerous to Superman, he'd already be flying into deep space.
It's a shame that I cannot locate a scan of that page. Regardless, Superman grabs the Hulk while he is down covered in rubble, swings him like a ragdoll and sends him flying a mile or so. Had he wanted to, he could've ended the Hulk once and for all then. In a no holds barred, battle to the death, Supes would've done it.
Superman however isnt a killer. Thus he couldnt kill the hulk. Thats a main flaw that superman has. Like i said people usually in these battles just think of the powers, and abilities, they forget however, there personalities. You can have all the power in the world, but if you cant kill someone, then what good is a fight to the death.