Superman vs. Hulk

Emotions have a limit. An opinion, not a fact. Can this be proven? Of course not.

Thats the problem. People tend to think of Hulk's strength increase as a function of anger over time. Not so. In the secret wars, Hulk had a 150 billion ton mountain dropped on him. Did he have to get mad and charge up DBZ style? No. He simply caught the mountain, and lifted it.

Doc Sampson, Hulk's reputable psychiatrist says, "Hulk's anger has no boundaries."

That clears everything up.

Angry enough to be dangerous to Superman? Superman himself says that Hulk is "Stronger than anyone I've ever faced!" Including Doomsday. The guy who killed him.

You claim to be a Hulk reader. Hard to believe. You know very little of him.

The fact that Superman threw Hulk proves he can kill him? You've gotta come better than that.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube

The fact that Superman threw Hulk proves he can kill him? You've gotta come better than that.

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
What are you talking about?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
You once said that Hulk threw Superman into space and your contradicting when somebody said Superman threw Hulk into space.

What? How can you compare the two statements? I said it is ironic that Hulk throws Superman into space. He said that Superman spins Hulk around and threw him into a mountain, and then implies that it proves he can kill Hulk. Where is the comparison?

The only reason I said Hulk threw Superman into space is to refute the infamous one-liners "Superman would just throw Hulk into space/the sun.

Must be a case of miscommunicatin here.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Emotions have a limit. An opinion, not a fact. Can this be proven? Of course not.

Get mad. Now, get madder. Now, just keep madder and madder and madder until you bleed out of your eyes. Then get even madder. See how senseless it is. Infinite emotion is both illogical and ridiculous. One can only be so mad, happy, sad, etc.

Thats the problem. People tend to think of Hulk's strength increase as a function of anger over time. Not so. In the secret wars, Hulk had a 150 billion ton mountain dropped on him. Did he have to get mad and charge up DBZ style? No. He simply caught the mountain, and lifted it.

And therein lies the problem of different writers writing different things, because in other Hulk comics, like Hulk 242, the Hulk must gradually get madder to become strong enough to do certain feats.

Doc Sampson, Hulk's reputable psychiatrist says, "Hulk's anger has no boundaries."

That clears everything up.

I don't care what character says it. That still doesn't make it logical.

Strong enough to be dangerous to Superman? Superman himself says that Hulk is "Stronger than anyone I've ever faced!" Including Doomsday. The guy who killed him.

You keep adding the Doomsday part. Supes did not say "including Doomsday." You're adding that in. The HvS is not in the main timeline, and if I remember correctly, takes place before the whole Doomsday debacle.

You claim to be a Hulk reader. Hard to believe. You know very little of him.

The fact that Superman threw Hulk proves he can kill him? You've gotta come better than that.

I haven't read every Hulk comic in existence, but I do know a bit about the Hulk, and I know that if thrown into the sun or deep space, the Hulk would be done for. Not so for Supes.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube

You claim to be a Hulk reader. Hard to believe. You know very little of him.

A minor misobservation. Regardless, Juggernaut was defeated before the backlash.

And that has what to do with this thread?

Originally posted by SupersKillsHulk
Get mad. Now, get madder. Now, just keep madder and madder and madder until you bleed out of your eyes. Then get even madder. See how senseless it is. Infinite emotion is both illogical and ridiculous. One can only be so mad, happy, sad, etc.

Human emotion may or may not be limited. You cannot prove either. However, the Hulk is not a human, and he does not think rationally. How can you compare the emotions and limitations of a imaginary comic book character with that of an actual human being? You can't. That's illogical.

Originally posted by SupersKillsHulk
And therein lies the problem of different writers writing different things, because in other Hulk comics, like Hulk 242, the Hulk must gradually get madder to become strong enough to do certain feats.

The Hulk had to get angrier to destroy a device that was meant to detain a Celestial. It would take some time for him to build to that level of strength.

Originally posted by SupersKillsHulk
I don't care what character says it. That still doesn't make it logical.

Regardless of your theories, one thing has been proven. The Hulk's anger, and strength increases have no limit. After scanning Hulk, the Beyonder himself has said "You are nothing but power incarnate. An infinity of power with no finite element inside! Worse yet, you remind me of someone." If you need further proof, Peter David, the Hulk's primary writer, has said so. Accept it.

Originally posted by SupersKillsHulk
You keep adding the Doomsday part. Supes did not say "including Doomsday." You're adding that in. The HvS is not in the main timeline, and if I remember correctly, takes place before the whole Doomsday debacle.

You'll notice I didn't put "Including Doomsday" in the quotations. This comic was published in 1999, six years after "Death of Superman." Doomsday would be included in "anyone I've ever fought"

Originally posted by SupersKillsHulk
I haven't read every Hulk comic in existence, but I do know a bit about the Hulk, and I know that if thrown into the sun or deep space, the Hulk would be done for. Not so for Supes.

It will be nearly impossible for Superman to grab Hulk. We have seen the results of his attempt. Hulk has been launched into space before, and he has withstood heats hotter than that of a star. He simply propels himself back to earth. There is no way Superman is killing Hulk. It is virtually impossible to do so.

Hulk smash Kal-el. conk

Seriously, this wouldn't be a fight that Superman could end by just tossing Hulk into space. Hulk will last much longer than Superman as well, due to his healing factor and astounding durability. It will take Hulk mere seconds to surpass Superman's strength, and towards end of the fight, Hulk will be exponentially stronger than Superman.

Superman's best chances of victory, or better yet survival are:

a: Manage a quick victory, (which will be next to impossible.)
b: Play keep-away, (which could result in Hulk getting far angrier, and Superman's ultimate demise.)
or,
c: Calm Hulk down by one means or another, to weaken him.

Fist to fist, Superman goes down. A ring out isn't going to happen. There is no way to incapacitate the Hulk; he breaks out of everything.

Superman is dead, fool. Plus, the hulk never broke his back.

? WTF Is this guy talking about?

Fist to fist....Supes is stronger especially at first. Even an angry hulk has yet to actually "hurt" superman. Anytime that Hulk seems to do something to Supes, its when supes is trying to talk to him. Once Supes gets serious..its over for the Hulk. Doomsday has cut and bruised Superman, Hulk has yet to even make him ouch...he hasn't come close to either.

Hulk isn't the only one with the power to get stronger. When Supes fought Cythonna (a Kryptonian goddess who is WAY stronger than Supes, Hulk, and Doomsday as she was depicted) he flew towards the Sun and was able to fight and beat her. That would make him far stronger than the Hulk yet again.

Great arguments so far, but I can't see the Hulk beating Superman.

Superman is stronger for the first few seconds. Then Hulk passes him by a mile.

Hulk doesn't just get stronger. His strength increases limitlessly with anger. Superman flying towards the sun? Man, can the guy have a fight without leaving the ring? Besides, Superman flying towards the sun for a few seconds would not make him stronger than the Hulk. It took Hulk only seconds to achieve the strength of a Celestial. It would take thousands of years of sunbathing for Superman to achieve that level of strength.

Hulk has never hurt Superman? What do you consider being "hurt?"

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman is stronger for the first few seconds. Then Hulk passes him by a mile.

Hulk doesn't just get stronger. His strength increases limitlessly with anger. Superman flying towards the sun? Man, can the guy have a fight without leaving the ring? Besides, Superman flying towards the sun for a few seconds would not make him stronger than the Hulk. It took Hulk only seconds to achieve the strength of a Celestial. It would take thousands of years of sunbathing for Superman to achieve that level of strength.

Hulk has never hurt Superman? What do you consider being "hurt?"

Hurt as in bruise, leave in pain, cut...etc. Like what Doomsday did...

Hulk get stronger than Supes in seconds? Ridiculous.
It doesnt take supes long to power up..he flew through the Sun before and powered up pretty quickly.
I just put that for example, he used that agaisnt someone far stronger physically than the Hulk could ever hope to be...a kryptonian goddess.

I don't think he would ever need it honestly. He's beaten the Hulk before with little effort once he got tired of him. So far the examples I've seen are Hulk attacking when Supes tries to talk things out. Once Supes figures him out, its over for Hulk..just like in comics.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Doomsday has cut and bruised Superman, Hulk has yet to even make him ouch...he hasn't come close to either.

Remember when Doomsday broke Superman's arm? That was in 1993. In the 1999 crossover, Superman says Hulk is stronger than anyone he has ever fought. That would obviously include Doomsday.

In the 1999 crossover, Superman specifically says that he is letting go (going all out.) He knocks Hulk into a mountain. Hulk bursts out of the rubble, and knocks the everlovin shit out of Superman.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Hurt as in bruise, leave in pain, cut...etc. Like what Doomsday did...

Hulk get stronger than Supes in seconds? Ridiculous.
It doesnt take supes long to power up..he flew through the Sun before and powered up pretty quickly.
I just put that for example, he used that agaisnt someone far stronger physically than the Hulk could ever hope to be...a kryptonian goddess.

I don't think he would ever need it honestly. He's beaten the Hulk before with little effort once he got tired of him. So far the examples I've seen are Hulk attacking when Supes tries to talk things out. Once Supes figures him out, its over for Hulk..just like in comics.

In one second, Hulk was able to lift 150 billion tons. That's more than Superman could dream of lifting.

Superman defeats Hulk with little effort? When? Can you give an instance of Superman bruising or "hurting" Hulk? Of course not. Not even when he "let's go."

Prove how strong this "kryptonian goddess" is, before you say she's stronger than Hulk.

Is this pre or post crisis Superman you're talking about?

Taken from
http://www.supermantv.net/wallpaperbattles/supermanvshulkclassic.htm

"As the story continues, Lois Lane and Clark Kent get assigned news stories out west that tie into Bruce Banner and the Hulk. With Lex Corp. doing research and contract work for the Army, Lex Luthor tries to find a scheme to try to gain control of Bruce Banner and the Hulk and use them to try and destroy Superman!
And with that plot, the second encounter between Superman and the Hulk takes place. 🙂Superman really lashes out at the Hulk and does do a job on the green gargoyle." 🙂

So can you post what happens after the cheap shots the Hulk always needs to use before he loses?