Originally posted by ODG
I used to know someone named Juntai who didn't come off as a raging fanboy. Yeah, that's totally possible, considering I've seen someone try that on-panel against Hulk... and got hit by uncannily aimed flying debris from Hulk's hand for their trouble. Granted, I'm not trying to say that tactic will never work. I'm just reminding people that it isn't exactly a guaranteed approach to take. If I were to think that this was any sort of realistic way to think of Superman vs. Hulk, I ought to have a basis within the comics themselves supporting that Superman's obvious other advantages make it patently ridiculous to place so much weight onto fistfights, e.g., Supes so seldomly slugging it out with superbricks on Hulk's level, or Superman beating up Hulk-like superbricks a "thousand other ways" more often than not at least.Call me silly, I just don't get that impression from the Superman comics I've read. I mean, the same exact argument can be (and has been) made by Thorbags... so long as you just about completely ignore how Thor does deal with superbricks on Hulk's level. I grant you this: it'd be interesting to see this generalized approach actually manifest itself meaningfully and dominantly in his fights, e.g., General, Doomsday, Lobo, etc. But frankly, when I believe that they'd give Superman a good ole fight and then some (just like Hulk), I don't think that's as narrow-minded a notion as you might be suggesting, notwithstanding these "thousand other ways" of him winning.
Your mom's a raging fanboy. 😄
Actually, if I'm a raging fan-boy of anyone. It's Batman, but people don't like to debate against Batman as he appears in comics, and seemingly try to debate against Christian Bale Batman and ignore all his comic wins and abilities on the forums, so it makes it disapointing to debate- when feat and combat win-wise, he's nearly every bit as good as Captain America.
But, back to topic...
I already admitted the scenarios of BFR and other exotic powers are less likely, because largely of the nature of the comics, where he'll often slug it out toe to toe because it's a chance to show Superman's power/soak and ability to fight evenly against a brute, to ignore the fact he can do these things to physically dominant characters isn't right either. Fighting straight up like that against the strongest characters around is just one facet of his character and abilities.
I do believe he can fight pretty evenly straight up with Hulk as well, just standing and banging. Who has the upper hand would be up to the individual.
Once you add in powers like heat vision and whatnot, it slants it even farther in his favor, even when not using them for endgame, like when he staggered Darkseid with freeze-breath to gain the upperhand in a fist-fight, using all his speed/vision/breath powers at once against Mongul, or again against Imperiex Probes...[all three being top end in the power and strength department] or a million other examples of using vision and breath and speed in combat.
But since it sounded like you wanted to see some of these instances and the bfr being manifested and dominantly so, I'll grab a few scans and give just a few examples for you.
Freezebreath ends a fight against Bizarro.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanicebreatheact845.jpg
Ended blackrock with heat vision, who was fighting him good until he got serious. He ends up begging.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3776/0822338uf.jpg
Ended an OMAC that had already adapted to fight him specifically with heat vision;
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5001/supes8cz.jpg
Mongul KOed by Heat vision. [and a couple punches before it]
http://s160.beta.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Superman/mongulowned.jpg.html
The scan seems to be missing, but he also did one heat vision shot and incapacitated Despero after Despero had beat up and/or dominated the rest of the justice league.
Supes blitzes and carries Darkseid to the sun before he can react.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/477/006supermanbatman013rembrandtd.jpg/
There's a scan of him tossing parasite into space already in the thread, and iirc, that was while he had just gotten out of kryptonite, and Vixen was also borrowing a bunch of his power.
Throws this atomic powered guy into space;
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/407/supermanv218710bs0.jpg/
Tossed the Acuisitioner into space.
Tossed Coldcast into space. [who was retrieved before death]
Punched Lobo into space. And while you might say, well his powers were increased, keep in mind, that version of Superman is much weaker than todays, and we're considering more the viability of him using it against a brute.
Also, while I'm on Lobo, since you added him in there and said he'd give Supes all he could handle - I have to bring up the fact that he was more recently in a Titans issue, and couldn't handle Supergirl, who Superman has handled without effort when she was doing her evil phase. Not only did she come across as superior, she appeared considerably superior to him. And I won't mention that before that he got kungfu'd and was being choked out by Batman.
Lobo was a comparison for Superman 20 years ago. Though I don't doubt they'd try to play it up, he wouldn't be in consideration against a Superman dead-set on putting him down.
But if you're wondering why Superman doesn't spin in a circle and draw the air out of, or use superbreath to draw the air out of, fry the oxygen, etc; to a lot of his own big time powerful characters? Well, largely they can breath in a vacuum, and he'd have to be retarded to forget it and try those techniques. [Mongul, Darkseid, Lobo, etc.] and many more of them have superspeed and a range of other abilities of their own.
But the point is still the same, Superman brings everything to the fight Hulk does, and then powers and powers application grant him so many other options.
