Originally posted by DarkSaint85Because he knows he won't beat him straight up? Like posters have been trying to force onto the Thor vs. Hulk dynamic now? *wink wink*
Good thing you DO know better then.I'm using BFR because I thought that it would be the quickest, least problematic way of debating. Superman is faster, he knows the Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets, he's no dolt, so he would chuck him or throw him away.
I don't think BFR is free from being problematic when you honestly consider just how in-character it is, realize how many superbricks have thwarted it, and end up seeing how often it's twisted into something it's not.
It merits consideration, but this conversation is trending towards a rather narrow (and forced) corner.
Originally posted by ODGNot really, it's just that every corner has been covered in the 400 pages of the thread.
Because he knows he won't beat him straight up? Like posters have been trying to force onto the Thor vs. Hulk dynamic now? *wink wink*I don't think BFR is free from being problematic when you honestly consider just how in-character it is, realize how many superbricks have thwarted it, and end up seeing how often it's twisted into something it's not.
It merits consideration, but this conversation is trending towards a rather narrow (and forced) corner.
Pretty much every advantage imaginable is on Superman's side- His strength is dynamic, his average is higher than Hulks, and his highs are as high if not higher than Hulk in and out of combat scenario. His speed is infinitely faster than Hulk's, in and out of combat. He's vastly more invulnerable and at least as durable even when that fades. Better vision, hearing, senses. He's quicker thinking in combat scenarios, and just generally far smarter overall. He actually has ranged attacks. He can boil the oceans with his vision, or freeze them with his breath. On and on.
I mean. . . .The only clear-cut advantage that Hulk carries into this battle is healing factor, which while more consistent than Supes', is also a trait he possesses.
At the end of the day, if you want to make it something simple- Superman flies in a circle and makes a vacuum of the battlefield himself, without needing to BFR to space at all.
How likely is it? Probably not very.
Even less than BFR, which has dozens of showings for Superman.
But when you take dozens of 'not likely' scenarios, and add them up, and include that Supes can and indeed would match Hulk blow for blow, and win some and lose some, [and anyone who knows both characters should know this to be true] you arrive at your answer, because Superman can win by standing and punching, and a thousand other ways.
Meanwhile Hulk only has one way, and pretty much requires Superman to fight the same way for it to work.
Originally posted by Villelater
If Superman and The Hulk was trapped in an indestructible box(with air¬ lighting=complete darkness) and just enough room too punch or kick...who would win?
Hulk would win, maybe 6/10. Heat vision at that close range? Won't be pretty.
That's handicapping Superman quite a bit, though.
so Superman has night-vision? if so it still won't matter...the feat i mention is the one where Hulk rips the ground open dropping soldiers into it...i was thinking this would confuse Superman so he would in fall the hole and the Hulk would come crashing down after him...a Reverse BFR is what i was calling it...sounded cool at the time...i think it would work
Originally posted by Villelater
so Superman has night-vision? if so it still won't matter...the feat i mention is the one where Hulk rips the ground open dropping soldiers into it...i was thinking this would confuse Superman so he would in fall the hole and the Hulk would come crashing down after him...a Reverse BFR is what i was calling it...sounded cool at the time...i think it would work
Wait, what?
Yes, Superman can see in infra red. So total darkness means nothing to him.
And its an indestructible box...with a destroyable base...right....
So Superman will suddenly forget he can fly? And when Hulk rips the ground open, and they both fall in, Superman can fly back up...so its not a reverse BFR, its the Hulk BFRing himself...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, what?Yes, Superman can see in infra red. So total darkness means nothing to him.
And its an indestructible box...with a destroyable base...right....
So Superman will suddenly forget he can fly? And when Hulk rips the ground open, and they both fall in, Superman can fly back up...so its not a reverse BFR, its the Hulk BFRing himself...
Shit, Aquaman has night vision.
Originally posted by Villelater
no only superman will fall in...and how dirt going to BFR the hulk? as i said when Superman gets confused he will drop in and hulk will crash down on him...if they fight in the soil hulk will win...if supes doesn't fall the hulk will leap at him...still hitting supes PS we are done with the box
If Hulk leaps, Superman can just move out of the way.
Originally posted by Villelater
no only superman will fall in...and how dirt going to BFR the hulk? as i said when Superman gets confused he will drop in and hulk will crash down on him...if they fight in the soil hulk will win...if supes doesn't fall the hulk will leap at him...still hitting supes PS we are done with the box
How is dirt going to BFR Superman?
His reaction times are still leagues ahead of Hulk. So he will be confused, but by the time the Hulk can capitalise on it, he has already recovered.
Why would soil fighting suit the Hulk better?
can and would aren't the same...if character gets thrown off its a strike...sometime superman can't dodge and is this one of those times...wonder what it takes to get to the point around here...everytime you guys always one shot me with speed...which darksaint hasn't even found the “line” yet...looks im going to have to take more time...does nobody understand comic laws set by company's? no...i guess not...its break time for me...got to get more batteries anyway...
Originally posted by JuntaiI used to know someone named Juntai who didn't come off as a raging fanboy.
Not really, it's just that every corner has been covered in the 400 pages of the thread.Pretty much every advantage imaginable is on Superman's side- His strength is dynamic, his average is higher than Hulks, and his highs are as high if not higher than Hulk in and out of combat scenario. His speed is infinitely faster than Hulk's, in and out of combat. He's vastly more invulnerable and at least as durable even when that fades. Better vision, hearing, senses. He's quicker thinking in combat scenarios, and just generally far smarter overall. He actually has ranged attacks. He can boil the oceans with his vision, or freeze them with his breath. On and on.
Originally posted by JuntaiYeah, that's totally possible, considering I've seen someone try that on-panel against Hulk... and got hit by uncannily aimed flying debris from Hulk's hand for their trouble. Granted, I'm not trying to say that tactic will never work. I'm just reminding people that it isn't exactly a guaranteed approach to take.
I mean. . . .The only clear-cut advantage that Hulk carries into this battle is healing factor, which while more consistent than Supes', is also a trait he possesses.At the end of the day, if you want to make it something simple- Superman flies in a circle and makes a vacuum of the battlefield himself, without needing to BFR to space at all.
Originally posted by JuntaiIf I were to think that this was any sort of realistic way to think of Superman vs. Hulk, I ought to have a basis within the comics themselves supporting that Superman's obvious other advantages make it patently ridiculous to place so much weight onto fistfights, e.g., Supes so seldomly slugging it out with superbricks on Hulk's level, or Superman beating up Hulk-like superbricks a "thousand other ways" more often than not at least.
How likely is it? Probably not very.
Even less than BFR, which has dozens of showings for Superman.But when you take dozens of 'not likely' scenarios, and add them up, and include that Supes can and indeed would match Hulk blow for blow, and win some and lose some, [and anyone who knows both characters should know this to be true] you arrive at your answer, because Superman can win by standing and punching, and a thousand other ways.
Meanwhile Hulk only has one way, and pretty much requires Superman to fight the same way for it to work.
Call me silly, I just don't get that impression from the Superman comics I've read. I mean, the same exact argument can be (and has been) made by Thorbags... so long as you just about completely ignore how Thor does deal with superbricks on Hulk's level. I grant you this: it'd be interesting to see this generalized approach actually manifest itself meaningfully and dominantly in his fights, e.g., General, Doomsday, Lobo, etc. But frankly, when I believe that they'd give Superman a good ole fight and then some (just like Hulk), I don't think that's as narrow-minded a notion as you might be suggesting, notwithstanding these "thousand other ways" of him winning.