Originally posted by JBL
I said he will get hit by hulk, he will. I said he cannot fight at light speed. he cannot.
You are moving the goal posts. Nobody is saying(at least i don't think) that he will be fighting Hulk at light speed. The stance is that he can fight Hulk at a very high speed that would allow him to hit Hulk several times before Hulk could do much about. Such speed would also allow him to avoid Hulk's hits. Light speed is not needed for this to occur.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Maybe old classic Savage Hulk, that changed a long time though. Banner wakes up confused every time under Waid not just in the scans you posted, thats not proof of anything. As I said there is clearly movement from the very 1st panel, you can't get up if your ko'd. I guess Iron Man who escaped the blast was somehow ko'd aswell then because he hit the ground too.Lol the irony, yet here you're pushing for a myth ko because Hulk hit the deck for like what a second? b-b-but his eyes were closed and his mouth was open!! right Abhi?
I'm just not looking for things that aren't there, and have actually read the books so I know the context. You clearly don't (or choose to ignore it). Waid has wrote most of the stories that way, the book ends with a big brawl and Banner wakes up from the rubble, then has to filled in on what took place. Rinse and repeat.
You think Hulks fans are having a hard time of it? If anything Hulk's popularity has grown since Pak was on the book. Waids run is more story-driven than GPs but his Hulk has some borderline hax feats aswell. His win/loss record since Pak was writer and probably even a year or 2 before that is one of, if not the most impressive in the herald tier.
If he looks like that, he was KOED there too. Banner waking up=/=hulk waking up.
Yes, he was. You're the only guy save carver who has said that Hulk wasn't knocked out there. Show that scene to any guy and they would say he was KOED there.
I'm not looking for anything which isn't there. Hulk was KOED right there on the scan, yo're the one who's trying to save face for hulk here. Nice try though. If hulk falls asleep and turns in banner, its not a KO. But this isn't the case here.
Heh, Pak had him selling less than wonder woman. Waid's book is where in the list?
Aaron had Doom punk Hulk like a *****, waid has hulk KTFO by residual energy from Thor's attack. That's nothing compared to what Pak had him doing.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Hulk is the strongest in Marvel; that's his thing.In DC, Superman is the strongest, because again, that's his shtick. Batman is smart, Flash is fast, and Superman is strong.
Trying to apply one standard to both companies won't really help, especially when feats come in to it.
Some real great debating you're trying to foster here.
We should just stop comparing feats and simply compare their relevance to their companies.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If he looks like that, he was KOED there too. Banner waking up=/=hulk waking up.Yes, he was. You're the only guy save carver who has said that Hulk wasn't knocked out there. Show that scene to any guy and they would say he was KOED there.
I'm not looking for anything which isn't there. Hulk was KOED right there on the scan, yo're the one who's trying to save face for hulk here. Nice try though. If hulk falls asleep and turns in banner, its not a KO. But this isn't the case here.
Heh, Pak had him selling less than wonder woman. Waid's book is where in the list?
Aaron had Doom punk Hulk like a *****, waid has hulk KTFO by residual energy from Thor's attack. That's nothing compared to what Pak had him doing.
Well if this was a ko so was the Aquaman showing which was a LOT worse. You must also believe that a building collapsing is enough to stop him seeing as though it was Banner sitting in the rubble not Hulk, even though he had shrugged off adamantium melting weapons just moments before (which were destroying said building). Again, makes sense.
Consistently selling well, along with Hulk's regular spot in 3 Avenger books (something he's never had), starring role in Avengers movie, an animated film based off Paks work along with other appearances in animated film, plus his own Disney cartoon which includes a character Pak created, Avengers Assemble, and an incoming tv series. Yeah Hulk is really suffering right now lol.
So punking someone means what exactly? Nothing. That has happened countless times to Superman in DCnU. At least if a Thor fan wanted to argue Hulk was ko'd from the lightning he could throw in the 30 second delay which makes it ambiguous. You didn't really have a leg to stand on with your scan in which Hulk is awake and while transforming Banner climbs to his feet.
Also lol at comparing Paks enitre 5 year run to Aarons which lasted a year and Waids whos been on the book since November. No offence cuz I have no problem with you as a poster, but you're talking crap.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'd give Pre-Flashpoint Superman maybe 6/10 against Hulk now but current Superman loses.
How would any Superman lose to Hulk?
Superman has bfr options. That ensures him a majority there.
Superman is stronger than Hulk. Not that this matters.
Superman is more durable than Hulk. This matters because Superman can damage Hulk faster than his HF can heal him.
Superman has ranged attacks like HV and can stay out of range and fry Hulk (like he did on HP DD)
Superman has cheap freeze breath which can halt Hulk for a moment to hit him more times.
Superman can multitask his powers and apply hv, freeze breath, and punches.
Superman is vastly faster than Hulk and can avoid Hulk's attacks with utter ease.
This fight will always be spite in a forum fight.
Your opinions on the fight implies you are thinking of how it would go in a comic. You are very accurate IMO concerning these things. I think, in a comic, current Superman would beat Current Hulk in a fight, but it would be close though.
Originally posted by h1a8
How would any Superman lose to Hulk?
Superman has bfr options. That ensures him a majority there.
Superman is stronger than Hulk. Not that this matters.
Superman is more durable than Hulk. This matters because Superman can damage Hulk faster than his HF can heal him.
Superman has ranged attacks like HV and can stay out of range and fry Hulk (like he did on HP DD)
Superman has cheap freeze breath which can halt Hulk for a moment to hit him more times.
Superman can multitask his powers and apply hv, freeze breath, and punches.
Superman is vastly faster than Hulk and can avoid Hulk's attacks with utter ease.This fight will always be spite in a forum fight.
Your opinions on the fight implies you are thinking of how it would go in a comic. You are very accurate IMO concerning these things. I think, in a comic, current Superman would beat Current Hulk in a fight, but it would be close though.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
I doubt current Superman would beat current hulk at all, lol.
Then counter my argument below then:
Originally posted by h1a8
How would any Superman lose to Hulk?
Superman has bfr options. That ensures him a majority there.
Superman is stronger than Hulk. Not that this matters.
Superman is more durable than Hulk. This matters because Superman can damage Hulk faster than his HF can heal him.
Superman has ranged attacks like HV and can stay out of range and fry Hulk (like he did on HP DD)
Superman has cheap freeze breath which can halt Hulk for a moment to hit him more times.
Superman can multitask his powers and apply hv, freeze breath, and punches.
Superman is vastly faster than Hulk and can avoid Hulk's attacks with utter ease.This fight will always be spite in a forum fight.
Originally posted by Zack FairNah. Hulk is too impressive for even pre flashpoint Superman let alone Nu Superman to even make it competitive.
New 52 Superman can win. He has the strength, the speed and the smarts to do it. He just lacks the wealth of feats to make the victory as convincing as his pre-reboot self.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Lol so if Hulk is ko'd Banner isn't and vice versa. Makes sense. At this point your just saying random stuff and clearly only pushing an agenda. Banner IS Hulk.Well if this was a ko so was the Aquaman showing which was a LOT worse. You must also believe that a building collapsing is enough to stop him seeing as though it was Banner sitting in the rubble not Hulk, even though he had shrugged off adamantium melting weapons just moments before (which were destroying said building). Again, makes sense.
Consistently selling well, along with Hulk's regular spot in 3 Avenger books (something he's never had), starring role in Avengers movie, an animated film based off Paks work along with other appearances in animated film, plus his own Disney cartoon which includes a character Pak created, Avengers Assemble, and an incoming tv series. Yeah Hulk is really suffering right now lol.
So punking someone means what exactly? Nothing. That has happened countless times to Superman in DCnU. At least if a Thor fan wanted to argue Hulk was ko'd from the lightning he could throw in the 30 second delay which makes it ambiguous. You didn't really have a leg to stand on with your scan in which Hulk is awake and while transforming Banner climbs to his feet.
Also lol at comparing Paks enitre 5 year run to Aarons which lasted a year and Waids whos been on the book since November. No offence cuz I have no problem with you as a poster, but you're talking crap.
Aquaman just punched superman away. He wasn't shown lying on the ground with his eyes shut for several panels. Also Johns is pushing Aquaman really hard and he went h2h with Wonder Woman evenly. Also him shrugging off adamantium modulating weapons is fine and dandy but it has nothing to do with his blunt force durability. Superman went against a 5-D imp for a full comic and beat him, doesn't mean he would beat anybody and everybody below a 5-d imp.
His book is suffering due to Pak. Marvel pushing him hard doesn't mean anything. Wonder Woman was pushed hard for decades as a part of trinity and is superman's girlfriend now. She is still selling less than even the lowest selling superman/batman book.
Nothing like that. Doom straight up humiliated hulk. Hahaha, repeat that "hulk was awake" mantra long enough and even you might start believing it.
Hulk isn't been impressive for more than two years now. Its the reality. The sooner you believe it, the better.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
How did this become a race?😒
Neither one is blitzing the other...
Superman is definitely blitzing hulk as shown against Orion.