Originally posted by PhilosophíaYou also don't forget what is in character and conveniently ignore it in the case of the Silver Surfer. You try to use this in your characters benefit only.
No, because the plot doesn't allow him to. Plot comes first, in comics. Even when it makes the character look really dumb. In this case, anyone with superspeed.Superman, Wonder Woman, Flashes, Captain Marvel, Gladiator, Sentry, etc. What do they all have in common? The fact that they're all retarded and don' know even basic things like "I'm too fast for the other guy to hit, so I better move"? No. It's that superspeed is a virtually unbeatable power, so they can't use it due to plot reasons.
On the forums, we don't write stories. We aren't careful and spare other characters (like Hulk) humiliating beatdowns, due to plot demands and fanbase, and his lack of specific high-end abilities.
And that's why he will always lose to Superman.
Hulk still wins, easily. We don't ignore evidence just because you say so.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
You also don't forget what is in character and conveniently ignore it in the case of the Silver Surfer. You try to use this in your characters benefit only.Hulk still wins, easily. We don't ignore evidence just because you say so.
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You right, we don't ignore evidence (Superman's speed) and we don't use PIS either in a forum fight. Surfer can beat Superman IMO (in a PISless fight) but it would be a good fight.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So now we've gone from denying the evidence to lowballing? Okay, at least we're making progress. Thor was hit once and not again, it's called being taken off guard. Thor has faster then light combat speed now I guess. 🙂Choking someone while flying is evidence of faster then light combat speed? 😂 So is it safe to say that Thor has faster then light combat speed because he's able to clutch Mjolnir's strap while flying?
I mean, are you even thinking your examples through? It's just retarded. He was holding on from before he broke the sound barrier on Earth.
Mjolnir doesn't fights back when Thor grabs it.
I am perfectly aware of the examples I brought. Now would you restrain your Thor love and stop derailing this thread.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You're being desperate enough to use a flight speed as a combat speed. He wasn't fast enough to respond to an energy attack. Maybe in your dreams.Mjolnir doesn't fights back when Thor grabs it.
I am perfectly aware of the examples I brought. Now would you restrain your Thor love and stop derailing this thread.
But he did dodge the other ones and the entire sequence took place while moving at many times the speed of light. Using your logic, that's evidence of combat speed that is faster then light.
Why does Wonder Woman grabbing his wrists make the scene evidence of combat speed if his arms were already around her throat? Besides, Thor has to actively hold on tight to Mjolnir when flying. 🙂
I'm actively discussing your flawed reasoning. When you say bullshit like Superman bull rushing Wonder Woman into the Sun is evidence of faster then light combat speed, I'm going to call bullshit. I just find examples to be more educational and Thor's the character I'm most familiar with.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But he did dodge the other ones and the entire sequence took place while moving at many times the speed of light. Using your logic, that's evidence of combat speed that is faster then light.Why does Wonder Woman grabbing his wrists make the scene evidence of combat speed if his arms were already around her throat? Besides, Thor has to actively hold on tight to Mjolnir when flying. 🙂
I'm actively discussing your flawed reasoning. When you say bullshit like Superman bull rushing Wonder Woman into the Sun is evidence of faster then light combat speed, I'm going to call bullshit. I just find examples to be more educational and Thor's the character I'm most familiar with.
Because she was trying to free herself. Mjolnir doesn't try to free itself.
You're doing nothing but injecting Thor in a thread where he has no business. Preboot superman isn't in this thread either. If you have problems with my reasoning, create a thread about it. Its a FTL speed feat and combat speed too. If it chafes your ass, its not my problem.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And where did he dodge the other lasers? He simply stood there and tossed mjolnir. If we're using that as a FTL combat speed, we might as well give every space character FTL speed who travels in hyperspace.Because she was trying to free herself. Mjolnir doesn't try to free itself.
You're doing nothing but injecting Thor in a thread where he has no business. Preboot superman isn't in this thread either. If you have problems with my reasoning, create a thread about it. Its a FTL speed feat and combat speed too. If it chafes your ass, its not my problem.
Yes, we might as well because using your standards, most characters would qualify. I don't think any example mentioned in this thread so far is even remotely evidence of light speed combat much less ftl except the one with Flash/Zoom.
But she didn't and Superman's hands never left her throat since Earth so why does it make any difference? Thor has to actively grip Mjolnir or it would fly out of his hands.
Alright. Although you brought up Sacrifice, not me.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, we might as well because using your standards, most characters would qualify. I don't think any example mentioned in this thread so far is even remotely evidence of light speed combat much less ftl except the one with Flash/Zoom.But she didn't and Superman's hands never left her throat since Earth so why does it make any difference? Thor has to actively grip Mjolnir or it would fly out of his hands.
Alright. Although you brought up Sacrifice, not me.
Originally posted by Supermex
Is it just me or not, but does it make sense that Hulk be the strongest no hands down the stongest in Marvel even Dc U there is?Just sounds right that Hulk be that guy all the time..
Sure Superman and others can be strong 2, but keeping Hulk the strongest just sounds right everytime..
Originally posted by Supermex
Is it just me or not, but does it make sense that Hulk be the strongest no hands down the stongest in Marvel even Dc U there is?Just sounds right that Hulk be that guy all the time..
Sure Superman and others can be strong 2, but keeping Hulk the strongest just sounds right everytime..
Originally posted by -Pr-
Hulk is the strongest in Marvel; that's his thing.In DC, Superman is the strongest, because again, that's his shtick. Batman is smart, Flash is fast, and Superman is strong.
Trying to apply one standard to both companies won't really help, especially when feats come in to it.
🙂- Hulk strongest there is!!!
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Originally posted by abhilegend
That's Banner getting up. Hulk was KTFO, its a very old trope of hulk getting knocked out and Banner waking up after that totally confused.Hulk doesn't revert to banner when he gets KOED? You must've missed literally dozen of instances when that has happened. It was banner who woke up after Hulk reverted back to him when he was KOED.
Superman was punched away from Aquaman. If we're calling that a oneshot, we'd be counting oneshots everytime someone gets knocked away.
And you're trying too hard to rationalize clear knockouts. After Pak's wanking I know its hard for hulk fans but Hulk isn't under Pak anymore.
Did we see him flat on his back with eyes shut?
Lol the irony, yet here you're pushing for a myth ko because Hulk hit the deck for like what a second? b-b-but his eyes were closed and his mouth was open!! right Abhi?
I'm just not looking for things that aren't there, and have actually read the books so I know the context. You clearly don't (or choose to ignore it). Waid has wrote most of the stories that way, the book ends with a big brawl and Banner wakes up from the rubble, then has to filled in on what took place. Rinse and repeat.
You think Hulks fans are having a hard time of it? If anything Hulk's popularity has grown since Pak was on the book. Waids run is more story-driven than GPs but his Hulk has some borderline hax feats aswell. His win/loss record since Pak was writer and probably even a year or 2 before that is one of, if not the most impressive in the herald tier.