Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by olympian
"And when Hulk lifted a mountain, that was a long time ago. Writers back then many times largely exaggerated characters powers to sell comics"

Any of the top tier has mountain type feats.

And any character its exageratted in comics. Any. Thats the whole point.

"If you use these old feats for Hulk to back you up then it is only fair that another can use Pre-Crisis Superman"

With the difference that Marvel never had a crisis, therefore they
are and will always be in continuity.

"(the man who can destroy a solar system with a sneeze, hurl spaceships to other galaxies, hurl planets, etc.) to back them up. So use more recent Hulk facts."

If a topic its -about pre crisis feats- you will notice that, those are used. DC its post crisis now, thus we use the "recent" ones for those characters.

Marvel does have a post-crisis like era. They went through a scientific order within the last 10-15 years. All characters are explain in accordance to true science (they have hired several physicists to explain). No amazing past feat will be duplicated. That it is why you can not argue past (writers wrote what they wanted going against official power ratings and explanations in order to sell comics) characters with recent ones.

note: Marvel has obsoleted and changed several characters origins and abilities in order to make them more scientific. This is the exact reason why D.C. did a crisis war. So it is the same.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Superman wins but I don't think it would be easy for him.

Supes speed just kills hulk here

and Supes isn't one of those guy that gets knocked out quickly

for Hulk to K.O him will take time , time which he whould not have

Even if it's sort of the same, it's still canon for Marvel, and can be used on these boards.

Still, Superman wins 10/10 here.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Instead of reading handbooks, read comics. Savage Hulk's functional strength is easily within the billion ton range, and it grows geometrically (by exponent) in mere moments. Hulk has been shown pulverizing entire planets (which weigh quite a bit more than 70 tons,) and displaying near infinite strength, in ways Superman never has and never will.

Hulk can become stronger than Pre-crisis Superman as well. In fact, he fought him to a standstill. There's a distinct difference between Pre-crisis Superman and Savage Hulk. None of Pre-crisis Superman's feats are in continuity. They never happened.

Please, stop undercutting Hulk. Hulk is equally as strong and as durable as Superman, and when he's angry, he's stronger and more durable than Superman. I'm not saying that Hulk wins this fight by any account, but respect the character.

You are a severe fanboy. That is why you are blind to the truth. Hulk will never again pulloff what he did in the past and either will Superman (the man who destroyed solar systems with a sneeze and destroyed stars with his breath) for Marvel went through a severe scientific upgrade to their characters. So if Superman fought Hulk now he wouldn't be able to last long enough to get enough strength.

Before you respond answer these questions:

1. Why did Hulk many times over get rendered unconscious by beings more powerful than his durability can handle?

2. Is Superman of equal or more powerful than these beings? If no, expain why not.

3. Do you think Hulk will ever perform the calibur of feats he did in the past again? Be honest now!

Originally posted by UniOmni
Truth is..........If the fight was written by anybody with a history of the two characters, Hulk would win 7 times out of ten. Supes comic history doesn't have him using his abilities in the most effective manner. He doesn't ultilize his speed to keep him out of danger. Hulk, doesn't get hurt easily. He will continue to grow stronger exponentially, and quickly, all the while increasing his durability. He has no limit to strength, because his power lies in his rage, and thats what the hulk is. Rage made flesh. So while a normal guys anger might have a limit, Hulks doesn't, because he's not normal. Heat Vision would only make Hulk more enraged, and so would Supe just zooming around yet staying of reach. So it behooves Supes to get in there and bash it out, yet at the same time it doesn't. Why?? Because the closer you are to Hulk, the closer you are to danger. And for those who doubt the strength of Hulk, he's Class 100. Not meaning his limit, but his base(i believe). So anything above that is fair game for him. The only Supes i see truly trouncing Hulk is Prime, simply cuz they went the gay route for him again. With his arsenal, it'd be a shame if he couldn't win. But put Prime against Devil Hulk neday. Who knows, D.Hulk may be on the cosmic scale? Won't know till they write it.

Why did Hulk get rendered unconscience many times by opponents more powerful than him at start? Marvel says that Hulk in his normal functioning state is about 70 tons (in the handbook). He is listed as class 100 because his strength can elevate to it.

Originally posted by severance
I kinda agree. But its reaction times here not speed. Hulk can apparently propel himself at near escape velocity ( 7 miles a second or 25 000mph). however his reaction times are nowhee near on that level. he has not got the ability of speedsters to do multiple hits. He'll get one shot in if supes is not carefull and it will be 1000 pounds of fist and steel hard muscle hitting him a supersonic velocity. Thats gonna smart. Otherwise supes can. overwhelm hulk quickly with a barage of super punches before hulk can really get a mad up

i agree as well but normal functioning Hulk can only propel himself at 500 mph max. That is why he can only up to 3 miles tops. Now an sufficiently enraged Hulk can propel himself faster (but not by much per strenght increase)

YOUR MUST BE A FANBOY OR HIGH OR STUPID (by terms of your questions)

Originally posted by h1a8
You are a severe fanboy. That is why you are blind to the truth. Hulk will never again pulloff what he did in the past and either will Superman (the man who destroyed solar systems with a sneeze and destroyed stars with his breath) for Marvel went through a severe scientific upgrade to their characters. So if Superman fought Hulk [B]now he wouldn't be able to last long enough to get enough strength.

Before you respond answer these questions:

1. Why did Hulk many times over get rendered unconscious by beings more powerful than his durability can handle?

2. Is Superman of equal or more powerful than these beings? If no, expain why not.

3. Do you think Hulk will ever perform the calibur of feats he did in the past again? Be honest now! [/B]

1. because they are stronger then his durability can handle.

2. no because they are more powerful then him

3. Yes

your questions are dumb and can easily be refered to superman

2.

The Hulk isn't a pushover.Alot of people highly underestimate him,the same be said for Superman.The Hulk is a class 100(base strength)and I think he could increase his power to a high amount if he gets uber mad.Superman does have a speed that is faster than the Hulk's so if he uses it right,the only way the Hulk would be able to hit him would be for Superman to mess up and stop using his superspeed for a second or two.I've seen the Hulk's feats and they are impressive,even though he occasionally fights villains stronger than him,he eventually beats them because he never gives up.

exactly hulk wins after a hard fight and uh doesnt lobo whoop superman sometimes and lobo is ahell of alot slower than supes 2 but he can hit him

I didn't say that.I said the Hulk would give Superman a tough time but Superman would win.

Superman attacks Hulk a million or so times in a second. Hulk, burned in multiple places and covered in ice in other places and floating in space, passes out. His last thought is, "Oh, there was a fight?"

Originally posted by demigawd
Superman attacks Hulk a million or so times in a second. Hulk, burned in multiple places and covered in ice in other places and floating in space, passes out. His last thought is, "Oh, there was a fight?"

Hmmm.... You've done this before haven't you? 😆

Once or twice. 😉

^ well okay but, don't make it a third. 😉

Originally posted by demigawd
And now that Superman had dynamic strength too, I can't see the logic that Hulk is stronger hold water, either. There's no limit to EITHER of their strengths. In Hulk's case, as he gets angrier, he gets stronger. In Superman's case, as he gets more stressed, he gets stronger. In fact, I'd say the latter is more potent. You can get more stressed for a longer period of time over more things than you can get angry. I get stressed when I'm angry, when I'm sad, when I'm frustrated, when I'm worried, hell, when I'm happy sometimes because I'm in denial that I deserve happiness and wondering when it's going to be taken from me. Superman has the weight of the world on his shoulders...tell me that's not more potent than Hulk getting peeved because people won't leave him alone.

Supes has him beat six ways to Sunday. 9/10.

I strongly disagree.

Primarily, Hulk gets stronger from stress, and adrenaline levels, not just anger. Fear triggers a strength increase. So does excitement.

Moreover, when has it ever been shown that Superman actually becomes stronger in the presence of stress? Last I recall, it was sunlight that made him stronger. If you can substantiate this claim, please feel free. In fact, when asked, any Superman writer will tell you that Superman's strength is in fact limited, and not infinite.

Lastly, Hulk has greater feats of strength than Superman does. That's the only grounds on which my argument stands. Sure Hulk is acclaimed to have limitless strength, but a claim means nothing unless it's proven. That, I can.

Originally posted by leonidas
can he beat supes? yes. all depends on how the battle is depicted. supes fights strictly h2h and uses no other powers (ie CIS) than sure it's possible hulk could ko him in time. i do think it WOULD be CIS though.

Superman wins 7/10. He just has more versatility than Hulk. That being said Hulk would win some as Superman rarely uses his abilities to their full potential and might try to go toe to toe with Hulk (ala Doomsday). In that case Hulk would win. But, if written well, I'd give the majority to Superman.

edit

Originally posted by TheKahn
Superman wins 7/10. He just has more versatility than Hulk. That being said Hulk would win some as Superman rarely uses his abilities to their full potential and might try to go toe to toe with Hulk (ala Doomsday). In that case Hulk would win. But, if written well, I'd give the majority to Superman.

FYI:

Superman's greatest feat was pushing War World into a boom tube. Mind you, he did this while sundipped.

Hulk once obliterated a planetoid over 1,200 times the size of War World with ONE PUNCH. That isn't even Hulk's greatest feat of strength. How can it be logically disputed that Hulk is the stronger of the two?

It's quite clear, my friends. Superman is strong, but he has limitations to his strength. Hulk has strength without limitation. Superman may beat Hulk in a fight, but Hulk is undeniably physically stronger.