Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I strongly disagree.Primarily, Hulk gets stronger from stress, and adrenaline levels, not just anger. Fear triggers a strength increase. So does excitement.
Moreover, when has it ever been shown that Superman actually becomes stronger in the presence of stress? Last I recall, it was sunlight that made him stronger. If you can substantiate this claim, please feel free. In fact, when asked, any Superman writer will tell you that Superman's strength is in fact limited, and not infinite.
Lastly, Hulk has greater feats of strength than Superman does. That's the only grounds on which my argument stands. Sure Hulk is acclaimed to have limitless strength, but a claim means nothing unless it's proven. That, I can.
Ah, you probably haven't read Superman recently. In an issue of Adventures three or four months ago (don't have the numbers handy), the panels explained that as Superman's stress level increases, his absorption of yellow solar radiation increases exponentially, and his strength increases accordingly as a result. And as there's no limit to the amount of solar radiation he can absorb, there's no limit to how strong he can become.
Originally posted by demigawd
Superman attacks Hulk a million or so times in a second. Hulk, burned in multiple places and covered in ice in other places and floating in space, passes out. His last thought is, "Oh, there was a fight?"
yes yes i think that is what superman does to all his other villains on regular occasion 🙄
Originally posted by demigawd
Ah, you probably haven't read Superman recently. In an issue of Adventures three or four months ago (don't have the numbers handy), the panels explained that as Superman's stress level increases, his absorption of yellow solar radiation increases exponentially, and his strength increases accordingly as a result. And as there's no limit to the amount of solar radiation he can absorb, there's no limit to how strong he can become.
Ok, so he absorbs more sunlight to become stronger. Stress apparently catalyzes this process. That does NOT inherently mean that stress makes him stronger. There would have to be more sunlight present in order for him to absorb more of it, (hence the reason for sundipping.)
How do you suppose that it's more efficient than Hulk's strength increases, which grow geometrically with each passing moment, and continue without end?
Moreover, when was it established that there's no limit to how much sunlight Superman can absorb?
My initial point is, Hulk has displayed greater feats of strength than Superman. Hence, it can be concluded that ultimately, he's stronger.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Ok, so he absorbs more sunlight to become stronger. Stress apparently catalyzes this process. That does NOT inherently mean that stress makes him stronger. There would have to be more sunlight present in order for him to absorb more of it, (hence the reason for sundipping.)How do you suppose that it's more efficient than Hulk's strength increases, which grow geometrically with each passing moment, and continue without end?
Moreover, when was it established that there's no limit to how much sunlight Superman can absorb?
My initial point is, Hulk has displayed greater feats of strength than Superman. Hence, it can be concluded that ultimately, he's stronger.
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If more stress causes him to absorb more sunlight
and
absorbing more sunlight makes him stronger
then
more stress makes him stronger.
Am I missing something here?
When Superman Prime came on the scene, it was established that there was no limit to the amount of solar energy he could absorb - and we saw how powerful Prime was.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Ok, so he absorbs more sunlight to become stronger. Stress apparently catalyzes this process. That does NOT inherently mean that stress makes him stronger. There would have to be more sunlight present in order for him to absorb more of it, (hence the reason for sundipping.)How do you suppose that it's more efficient than Hulk's strength increases, which grow geometrically with each passing moment, and continue without end?
Moreover, when was it established that there's no limit to how much sunlight Superman can absorb?
My initial point is, Hulk has displayed greater feats of strength than Superman. Hence, it can be concluded that ultimately, he's stronger.
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There, now ME edit.
there doesn't have to be more sunlight present. there's an unlimited supply of it on Earth. Sundipping gives him more at one time, so he doesn't have to reach a certain stress level. Essentially it's instantly jumping from Hulk being annoyed to totally outraged, but he just absorbs more of the everpresent solar energy as his stress level increases.
Also - there are scans here of Superman moving Earth and the moon. Hulk's top feat is BRACING a mountain. Carry a heavy weight for thousands of miles and try bracing it on your back. Holding it on your back is easier isn't it?
Originally posted by demigawd
He does it whenever the need arises. Don't act like it's otherwise. See: Imperiex and Mongul.
It's a viable tactic for this fight, and it would spell defeat for the Hulk.
But, if he fought the Hulk without using superspeed as an evasive/offensive tactic (although there is no reason why he should, he is known to do so,) the Hulk could defeat him.
Originally posted by demigawd
???If more stress causes him to absorb more sunlight
and
absorbing more sunlight makes him stronger
then
more stress makes him stronger.Am I missing something here?
When Superman Prime came on the scene, it was established that there was no limit to the amount of solar energy he could absorb - and we saw how powerful Prime was.
No... absorbing more sunlight makes him stronger. Meaning that if Superman is not in the presence of solar energy, getting more stressed means diddly-squat.
I've read DC 1 million. Actually, we never saw how powerful Superman Prime was. He never did anything, aside from appear once in the pages of a comic book.
Where was it establised that there is no limit to the amount of solar energy Superman can absorb?
Originally posted by demigawd
???If more stress causes him to absorb more sunlight
and
absorbing more sunlight makes him stronger
then
more stress makes him stronger.Am I missing something here?
When Superman Prime came on the scene, it was established that there was no limit to the amount of solar energy he could absorb - and we saw how powerful Prime was.
ya Prime was such a badass. That Solaris tried to kill him with KRp , and he defeated Solaris using Gl ring.
When he was pulling the world, and the moon he looked pretty Stressed out to me
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Originally posted by demigawd
Stupid edits...There, now ME edit.
there doesn't have to be more sunlight present. there's an unlimited supply of it on Earth. Sundipping gives him more at one time, so he doesn't have to reach a certain stress level. Essentially it's instantly jumping from Hulk being annoyed to totally outraged, but he just absorbs more of the everpresent solar energy as his stress level increases.
Also - there are scans here of Superman moving Earth and the moon. Hulk's top feat is BRACING a mountain. Carry a heavy weight for thousands of miles and try bracing it on your back. Holding it on your back is easier isn't it?
Sorry. 😮
There's an unlimited supply of sunlight on Earth? Where? Solar energy is reflected off of the Earth, back into space. Heat is the only biproduct left on the Earth. To absorb solar energy, the energy called "sunlight" would have to be present.
Hulk's top feat is bracing a mountain? WRONG. You should know more about Hulk before you make assumptions demi. You will pay. 😮💨
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
No... absorbing more sunlight makes him stronger. Meaning that if Superman is not in the presence of solar energy, getting more stressed means diddly-squat.I've read DC 1 million. Actually, we never saw how powerful Superman Prime was. He never did anything, aside from appear once in the pages of a comic book.
Where was it establised that there is no limit to the amount of solar energy Superman can absorb?
Superman is ALWAYS in the presence of solar energy, and there's an infinite amount of solar energy coming from the sun. When he's stressed, he absorbs more and more of it, making him stronger and stronger. There's MORE solar energy in the sun itself, of course. It's like turning on the faucet vs. Going directly to the river. In both cases you have access to infinite water. You'll satiate faster if you go directly to the river, but you'll eventually get everything you need just by drinking from the faucet. But if you can move at lightspeed....why not go to the river? That's why he gets sundipped. But he gets stronger even if he doesn't sundip by getting thirstier and drinking from the yellow sun faucet all around the earth. That's useful for times when he's locked in battle and CAN'T sundip.
Originally posted by kgkg
where are you getting that Superman gets stronger / or absorbs more sunlight?ya Prime was such a badass. That Solaris tried to kill him with KRp , and he defeated Solaris using Gl ring.
When he was pulling the world, and the moon he looked pretty Stressed out to me
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I believe it was Rucka's run a few months ago that mentioned that.
And the fact that he was pulling the world is PROOF that his stress levels was giving him more power.
Besides, the establishment of the stress = strength thing came after. It's a retcon.
What's wrong with using a GL ring? It was clearly established that all those years in the sun made him infinitely more powerful.
Why is it that everyone assumes that Hulk's top feat is bracing a 150,000,000 ton mountain?
Hulk has displayed limitless strength by resisting the matter-antimatter attraction. He destroyed a planetoid with twice the mass of Earth with one punch. That's over 1000 times bigger than War World! Ignorance is so rampant. It's no wonder that no one ever respects Hulk.
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Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Sorry. 😮There's an unlimited supply of sunlight on Earth? Where? Solar energy is reflected off of the Earth, back into space. Heat is the only biproduct left on the Earth. To absorb solar energy, the energy called "sunlight" would have to be present.
Hulk's top feat is bracing a mountain? WRONG. You should know more about Hulk before you make assumptions demi. You will pay. 😮💨
Oh wait, let me guess, destroying the asteroid twice the size of earth as GREY HULK is his top feat, right?
Does anybody take that feat seriously? I mean, seriously...it was GREY HULK, the one who got beaten by Wolverine. Anybody remember that? Sounds like PIS to me.
Of course there's an unlimited supply of solar energy on Earth. As long as the sun is around, there's going to be solar energy present on earth. I don't get why you'd argue against that??
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Why is it that everyone assumes that Hulk's top feat is bracing a 150,000,000 ton mountain?Hulk has displayed limitless strength by resisting the matter-antimatter attraction. He destroyed a planetoid with twice the mass of Earth with one punch. That's over 1000 times bigger than War World! Ignorance is so rampant. It's no wonder that no one ever respects Hulk.
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it was an asteroid. Asteroids are mainly ice. Big deal.
Originally posted by demigawd
Superman is ALWAYS in the presence of solar energy, and there's an infinite amount of solar energy coming from the sun. When he's stressed, he absorbs more and more of it, making him stronger and stronger. There's MORE solar energy in the sun itself, of course. It's like turning on the faucet vs. Going directly to the river. In both cases you have access to infinite water. You'll satiate faster if you go directly to the river, but you'll eventually get everything you need just by drinking from the faucet. But if you can move at lightspeed....why not go to the river? That's why he gets sundipped. But he gets stronger even if he doesn't sundip by getting thirstier and drinking from the yellow sun faucet all around the earth. That's useful for times when he's locked in battle and CAN'T sundip.I believe it was Rucka's run a few months ago that mentioned that.
And the fact that he was pulling the world is PROOF that his stress levels was giving him more power.
Besides, the establishment of the stress = strength thing came after. It's a retcon.
What's wrong with using a GL ring? It was clearly established that all those years in the sun made him infinitely more powerful.
Superman Prime had a hard time moving a planet? 🤨
So you're saying that Superman Prime absorbed an infinite amount of sunlight? Whta's the purpose of a GL ring, then?
Infinitely more powerful my *ss.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman Prime had a hard time moving a planet? 🤨So you're saying that Superman Prime absorbed an infinite amount of sunlight? Whta's the purpose of a GL ring, then?
Infinitely more powerful my *ss.
It wasn't Superman Prime who moved a planet! It was REGULAR Superman!!! I'm saying that his absorption of solar radiation gave him more power to enable him to do this feat.