Originally posted by demigawd
Oh wait, let me guess, destroying the asteroid twice the size of earth as GREY HULK is his top feat, right?Does anybody take that feat seriously? I mean, seriously...it was GREY HULK, the one who got beaten by Wolverine. Anybody remember that? Sounds like PIS to me.
Of course there's an unlimited supply of solar energy on Earth. As long as the sun is around, there's going to be solar energy present on earth. I don't get why you'd argue against that??
In continuity.
Perhaps Hulk losing to Wolverine is PIS? Nah...
Originally posted by demigawd
I believe it was Rucka's run a few months ago that mentioned that.And the fact that he was pulling the world is PROOF that his stress levels was giving him more power.
Besides, the establishment of the stress = strength thing came after. It's a retcon.
What's wrong with using a GL ring? It was clearly established that all those years in the sun made him infinitely more powerful.
Supes even say they can't do it again 🙁 how does that work?
Establishment of stress = strength came after. I have been reading Superman lately never did anything like that 😉. In fact when he defeated Darksied he relied on bring him near the Sun.
can you find a issue number?
as for what's wrong with GL ring? nothing is wrong
We never got any idea of how powerful Prime was.
Other than he was stonger than all the Superman.
Originally posted by demigawd
Superman is ALWAYS in the presence of solar energy, and there's an infinite amount of solar energy coming from the sun. When he's stressed, he absorbs more and more of it, making him stronger and stronger. There's MORE solar energy in the sun itself, of course. It's like turning on the faucet vs. Going directly to the river. In both cases you have access to infinite water. You'll satiate faster if you go directly to the river, but you'll eventually get everything you need just by drinking from the faucet. But if you can move at lightspeed....why not go to the river? That's why he gets sundipped. But he gets stronger even if he doesn't sundip by getting thirstier and drinking from the yellow sun faucet all around the earth. That's useful for times when he's locked in battle and CAN'T sundip.
There isn't even an infinite amount of energy in the sun, demi. You're killing me. There isn't an infinite amount of energy in the entire universe. Superman could spend the rest of eternity drawing sunlight from every yellow star in the cosmos and never absorb an infinite amount of sunlight. The argument is so flawed.
Superman cannot attain limitless strength. Any writer will tell you. Heck, it's in the Ultimate Guide to Superman.
Originally posted by demigawd
Considering there's really no such thing as infinitely mad, that's a moot point. There's no practical limit, in both cases.
That's where you're wrong.
The Hulk doesn't have a limit to how angry, or how strong he can become. These are the words of WRITERS, the guys who make up these little fantasy characters that we love to discuss.
In fact, he doesn't even need infinite anger to exercise near infinite strength. And he proved it. I'd love to provide an explaination and proof if you'd love to hear it. 😉
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
There isn't even an infinite amount of energy in the sun, demi. You're killing me. There isn't an infinite amount of energy in the entire universe. Superman could spend the rest of eternity drawing sunlight from every yellow star in the cosmos and never absorb an infinite amount of sunlight. The argument is so flawed.Superman cannot attain limitless strength. Any writer will tell you. Heck, it's in the Ultimate Guide to Superman.
Oh, you don't want to go there - what's good for the goose is good for the gander (what's a gander?). You can't throw infinite around in one context and not in another. You can't get infintiely mad, and you can't get infinitely strong in a universe with finite energy. So there's a limit to both Hulk's strength AND Superman's. My point is that in both cases, it's dynamic, and there's no measured limit since they're both dynamic. But you already knew that... 😉
Originally posted by demigawd
Oh, you don't want to go there - what's good for the goose is good for the gander (what's a gander?). You can't throw infinite around in one context and not in another. You can't get infintiely mad, and you can't get infinitely strong in a universe with finite energy. So there's a limit to both Hulk's strength AND Superman's. My point is that in both cases, it's dynamic, and there's no measured limit since they're both dynamic. But you already knew that... 😉
Read my last post. Hulk CAN and HAS demonstrated limitless strength.
Superman's strength is limited, and no officiating source has said otherwise.
Hulk's strength is not limited by anything in the physical universe. Would you care for an explaination from Stan, the man, Lee?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That's where you're wrong.The Hulk doesn't have a limit to how angry, or how strong he can become. These are the words of WRITERS, the guys who make up these little fantasy characters that we love to discuss.
In fact, he doesn't even need infinite anger to exercise near infinite strength. And he proved it. I'd love to provide an explaination and proof if you'd love to hear it. 😉
Hulk's strength Increase a lot more rapidly to near Infinite level.
And none has proven that Surperman man's Strength even increases as he gets stressed
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That's where you're wrong.The Hulk doesn't have a limit to how angry, or how strong he can become. These are the words of WRITERS, the guys who make up these little fantasy characters that we love to discuss.
In fact, he doesn't even need infinite anger to exercise near infinite strength. And he proved it. I'd love to provide an explaination and proof if you'd love to hear it. 😉
If you're going to bring scientific limits to it, then it has to be applied evenly. There's no practical limit to the amount of energy output by the sun - Superman would keep absorbing solar energy and keep growing stronger and stronger - with no practical limit.
Hulk keeps getting madder (which is scientifically impossible) and he'll keep getting stronger - with no practical limit.
Either apply the principles of infinity across the board, or not at all.
Not really. Hulk's anger and strength relationship has never been quantified or measured except that while angry he has resisted the matter-antimatter attraction, an undefinable force. While the sun does emit a quantifiable amount of solar energy that reaches the earth...thats how solar panel function and efficiency are measured. Superman also has a very finite amount of surface area to his body. Or the same way Nasa engineers calculated the mission of the solar sail sattelite (which failed by the way). He doesnt "suck" light from around him, otherwise he would reduce the amount and frequency of visible light around him. Even a solar panel a hundred times the area of Superman's body working and 100% efficiency wouldnt really gather that much relative energy. Not like the Silver Surfer who has absorbed what appeared to be a fraction of the power of a binary star.
I dont know why I bother arguing about science in the whole Superman "sundipped" idea...there are a lot of really flawed ideas in comics but they are usually exagerations of theories that do exist...but this is an example of someone saying 1+2=1 billion so it always makes me cringe.
Originally posted by demigawd
If you're going to bring scientific limits to it, then it has to be applied evenly. There's no practical limit to the amount of energy output by the sun - Superman would keep absorbing solar energy and keep growing stronger and stronger - with no practical limit.Hulk keeps getting madder (which is scientifically impossible) and he'll keep getting stronger - with no practical limit.
Either apply the principles of infinity across the board, or not at all.
Assuming that Superman can absorb an infinite amount of solar energy, which you have yet to prove.
Do you know the true source of the Hulk's strength? It really has little to do with the "quantity" of anger he can attain.
Don't mingle science with comics. A real human being might be able to only get so angry. That places no stipulation an an imaginary, comic book character.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
There isn't even an infinite amount of energy in the sun, demi. You're killing me. There isn't an infinite amount of energy in the entire universe. Superman could spend the rest of eternity drawing sunlight from every yellow star in the cosmos and never absorb an infinite amount of sunlight. The argument is so flawed.Superman cannot attain limitless strength. Any writer will tell you. Heck, it's in the Ultimate Guide to Superman.
A single sun is infinitely small amount of energy in terms of the entire universe.