GalacticStorm
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Originally posted by demigawd
I never said it wasn't multiversal. But that still doesn't mean Phoenix could stop ANY reality altering. She was able to repair the M'Kraan Crystal, which closed the door between realities, as Japh said. That's not nearly the same or as impressive as fixing reality of her own power, which she didn't do. It's similar to someone telling you to close the door to your house or a burgular will come in and kill you. You closing the door isn't the same as killing the burgular, even though you foiled the burgular by preventing him from coming in. It doesn't say anything about your power to stop the burgular, just about your power to grab a knob and push it shut. It just so happened that Phoenix had the set of keys to lock the Crystal. She gets no credit for doing her job. Sorry!
Well actually the the strands that held this multiversal effect had come apart at the seams so Jean had to knit them back together again and re-energise the strands. So while i enjoyed your analogy its really not the appropriate. Its more like a snapped cable causing a suspension bridge to fall apart and you grabbing both ends, pulling the bridge together and tying the cable up.
Originally posted by demigawd
You're missing the point m'boy - Wanda's tampering unleashed a chaos wave that CIRCUMVENTED the M'Kraan Crystal. While Phoenix closed up the door to protected reality, Wanda was the burgular who came through the window and JACKED Phoenix's house. And there isn't a thing Phoenix did about it.
No Wandas more like a gossip on the bus chatting away loudly about her rich friends who are going away for the weekend leaving the mansion unattended. As a result of her actions a lowlife on the bus turns burglar and breaks into the mansion. See the difference?
Originally posted by demigawd
The bigger point here is that Wanda casually unleashed a wave that will destroy creation. Wanda isn't a broken crystal...ain't no stoppin it. Unlike the M'Kraan Crystal, which is simply an object, Wanda doesn't have to create a leak that slowly works its way up the spiral of creation. If she wanted to, she could unleash chaos waves that instantly undo everything....including the White Hot Room. The only reason it hasn't happened is because she has a very specific task in mind.
You're still talking as if the chaos wave is Wandas power. It isnt. Its a result of Wandas tamperings so her causing chaos waves isnt impressive in terms of power. Its impressive in terms of the amount of mayhem and destruction her actions have resulted in but the fact that she set off a chain reaction makes it less impressive than a number of Phoenixes feats. Yes she could consciously disrupt a dimensional barrier to cause a chaos wave but then so could any decent reality warper by the looks of things. Its impressive but the fact that Roma says the reality warp is global in size suggests shes no more powerful than a cube being and therefore as aforementioned a number of cosmics could do the same thing.
Originally posted by demigawd
So I concede. It IS ridiculous and pointless to compare the two - Wanda is so far beyond the Crystal it's ridiculous. 😉
How so? Your level of understanding wildly fluctuates from thread to thread my friend. 😉
The crystal is a multiversal reset switch at the centre of creation. The results of Wandas actions can easily be accomplished by any old lowlife who fractures the crystal. Hence the need for a guardian. (Jahf) Wanda instead of taking the crystal route initiated the collapse of the multiversal elsewhere. As its not her own power directly collapsing the multiverse shes hardly greater than it. Thats strange logic Demi.
Originally posted by demigawd
Sure, if that reactor switch was on your arm and you could flip it at any time and nobody can do anything about it (least of all Phoenix). It makes you one bad ass janitor.
Nope if because thats still to direct. The chaos waves arent derived from Wanda. Its more like her at any given time having a bucket of water to throw over the reactor controls setting off an explosion.
Also considering Phoenix telekinetically reformed the 616 reality in issue 154 of New X-men and the fact that she makes creation cyclically i beg to differ my friend.
Originally posted by demigawd
No, according to Roma it WAS the entire 616 reality. That's why Ronan and other intergalactic beings were taking part in the thing. In the Thunderbolts, Magneto forged a relationship with the Shi'ar and the Kree and actually helped to bring some peace between the two when he joined up with them to fight, I believe, Galactus. So clearly it wasn't confined to Earth. Ronan and Genis made an appearance to confirm this.
The chaos wave wandas tamperings set off must have altered reality in its wake then as the scan below clearly states the alteration was global in scale:
Although the explanation for the alien races could be that factions were in the vicinity and therefore caught up in the reality warp. Either way Wanda outrightly altered reality on a global scale but her tamperings ruptured reality causing a chaos wave which itself not only disrupted reality in its wake but also began to collapse it.
Originally posted by demigawd
Something she could do at any time she wants if she chose to, which is the point that still stands at the end of your essays. And that would be it. The end of everything...including Phoenix.
Considering my baby cannot die id love to hear your explanation on how this could happen. Wanda is at the end of the day is merely setting off a chain reaction. Its not her own power, you're making it sound like it is. Even Legion has caused reality to disrupt like this by merely tampering with the crystal. Id understand your point if the chaos wave was inherent to Wanda but it isnt. Shes merely disrupted a dimensional barrier. So whats to stop any other cosmic from doing that? Changes nothing. As stated the alteration took place on a global scale and its botched execution resulted in chaos waves.
Originally posted by demigawd
Uh huh.
Uh huh [B ✅ /B] 😛