Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
okay, so at the end of the day, where has all this bickering gotten you?these phoenix debates are pointless to argue. the 'GS' guy will defend Phoenix no matter what- so what really is the point of arguing with him?
Just save yourselves the time and life
🙄 <<to highlight immaturity
good night
GodScribe
😂 good points but its funny watching GS and Cresh isn't it 🙂
Originally posted by demigawd
I never said it wasn't multiversal. But that still doesn't mean Phoenix could stop ANY reality altering. She was able to repair the M'Kraan Crystal, which closed the door between realities, as Japh said. That's not nearly the same or as impressive as fixing reality of her own power, which she didn't do. It's similar to someone telling you to close the door to your house or a burgular will come in and kill you. You closing the door isn't the same as killing the burgular, even though you foiled the burgular by preventing him from coming in. It doesn't say anything about your power to stop the burgular, just about your power to grab a knob and push it shut. It just so happened that Phoenix had the set of keys to lock the Crystal. She gets no credit for doing her job. Sorry!
Well actually the the strands that held this multiversal effect had come apart at the seams so Jean had to knit them back together again and re-energise the strands. So while i enjoyed your analogy its really not the appropriate. Its more like a snapped cable causing a suspension bridge to fall apart and you grabbing both ends, pulling the bridge together and tying the cable up.
Originally posted by demigawd
You're missing the point m'boy - Wanda's tampering unleashed a chaos wave that CIRCUMVENTED the M'Kraan Crystal. While Phoenix closed up the door to protected reality, Wanda was the burgular who came through the window and JACKED Phoenix's house. And there isn't a thing Phoenix did about it.
No Wandas more like a gossip on the bus chatting away loudly about her rich friends who are going away for the weekend leaving the mansion unattended. As a result of her actions a lowlife on the bus turns burglar and breaks into the mansion. See the difference?
Originally posted by demigawd
The bigger point here is that Wanda casually unleashed a wave that will destroy creation. Wanda isn't a broken crystal...ain't no stoppin it. Unlike the M'Kraan Crystal, which is simply an object, Wanda doesn't have to create a leak that slowly works its way up the spiral of creation. If she wanted to, she could unleash chaos waves that instantly undo everything....including the White Hot Room. The only reason it hasn't happened is because she has a very specific task in mind.
You're still talking as if the chaos wave is Wandas power. It isnt. Its a result of Wandas tamperings so her causing chaos waves isnt impressive in terms of power. Its impressive in terms of the amount of mayhem and destruction her actions have resulted in but the fact that she set off a chain reaction makes it less impressive than a number of Phoenixes feats. Yes she could consciously disrupt a dimensional barrier to cause a chaos wave but then so could any decent reality warper by the looks of things. Its impressive but the fact that Roma says the reality warp is global in size suggests shes no more powerful than a cube being and therefore as aforementioned a number of cosmics could do the same thing.
Originally posted by demigawd
So I concede. It IS ridiculous and pointless to compare the two - Wanda is so far beyond the Crystal it's ridiculous. 😉
How so? Your level of understanding wildly fluctuates from thread to thread my friend. 😉
The crystal is a multiversal reset switch at the centre of creation. The results of Wandas actions can easily be accomplished by any old lowlife who fractures the crystal. Hence the need for a guardian. (Jahf) Wanda instead of taking the crystal route initiated the collapse of the multiversal elsewhere. As its not her own power directly collapsing the multiverse shes hardly greater than it. Thats strange logic Demi.
Originally posted by demigawd
Sure, if that reactor switch was on your arm and you could flip it at any time and nobody can do anything about it (least of all Phoenix). It makes you one bad ass janitor.
Nope if because thats still to direct. The chaos waves arent derived from Wanda. Its more like her at any given time having a bucket of water to throw over the reactor controls setting off an explosion.
Also considering Phoenix telekinetically reformed the 616 reality in issue 154 of New X-men and the fact that she makes creation cyclically i beg to differ my friend.
Originally posted by demigawd
No, according to Roma it WAS the entire 616 reality. That's why Ronan and other intergalactic beings were taking part in the thing. In the Thunderbolts, Magneto forged a relationship with the Shi'ar and the Kree and actually helped to bring some peace between the two when he joined up with them to fight, I believe, Galactus. So clearly it wasn't confined to Earth. Ronan and Genis made an appearance to confirm this.
The chaos wave wandas tamperings set off must have altered reality in its wake then as the scan below clearly states the alteration was global in scale:
Although the explanation for the alien races could be that factions were in the vicinity and therefore caught up in the reality warp. Either way Wanda outrightly altered reality on a global scale but her tamperings ruptured reality causing a chaos wave which itself not only disrupted reality in its wake but also began to collapse it.
Originally posted by demigawd
Something she could do at any time she wants if she chose to, which is the point that still stands at the end of your essays. And that would be it. The end of everything...including Phoenix.
Considering my baby cannot die id love to hear your explanation on how this could happen. Wanda is at the end of the day is merely setting off a chain reaction. Its not her own power, you're making it sound like it is. Even Legion has caused reality to disrupt like this by merely tampering with the crystal. Id understand your point if the chaos wave was inherent to Wanda but it isnt. Shes merely disrupted a dimensional barrier. So whats to stop any other cosmic from doing that? Changes nothing. As stated the alteration took place on a global scale and its botched execution resulted in chaos waves.
Originally posted by demigawd
Uh huh.
Uh huh [B ✅ /B] 😛
Originally posted by WhirlysplattBitter little hypocrite aren't you? My personal attacks on you?
Well its pretty weird because I post and you always post after me🙂its cool so you fancy me 🙂
no biggie Smithers, GS will get jealous
conflict of interest you only want to rack up the pages past GS's defeat at Demi's hands for you master 😂
Keep the faith 🙂
Stay Whirly 🤘
its cool I'll ignore you and just post the link to page 4 in answer to your personal attacks on my character 🙂
Didn't you follow me into a thread whereby just to troll and attack me?
And didn't you just attack me in this very post?
Way to contradict yourself.
Demi you stole Wanda Prime from me! You rat bastard, heh. The power is omniversal, the alterations were beyond global. Mad Jim Jaspers was brought back to life in Otherworld, the nexus of realities. The history of the K'ree was rewritten. Wanda has the power to Big Crunch the omniverse. Puts her at abstract level of higher. Definitely above little Frankie Richards and that's all that matters to me. She can affect everything in omniversal reality. But she can't affect the White Hot Room, beyond reality where Phoenix resides, so despite Wanda Prime being uber she's probably still a small notch below that cow Jean.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Bitter little hypocrite aren't you? My personal attacks on you?Didn't you follow me into a thread whereby just to troll and attack me?
And didn't you just attack me in this very post?
Way to contradict yourself.
what took you so long to reply 😕 did you have your hands full with something🙂 you usually answer me much quicker
Dig the boner Cresh 🙂
Keep the faith 🙂
Stay whirly 🤘
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
he was asking me why I bothered, as you can't see the wood for the trees, by the way your new post really doesn't answer Demi - its all supposition - with a pic which has little to do with house of M 7 🙂
"Just save yourselves the time and life
🙄 <<to highlight immaturity"
He clearly called you immature for arguing with GS. 🙂
Originally posted by WhirlysplattOh I'm sorry, I went to the bathroom. . .You got jealous over me removing waste from my body?
what took you so long to reply 😕 did you have your hands full with something🙂 you usually answer me much quickerDig the boner Cresh 🙂
Keep the faith 🙂
Stay whirly 🤘
And yes removing the waste from my body was much more important than you. 😆
"you usually answer me much quicker"
Wow someone missed me. 😛
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Demi you stole Wanda Prime from me! You rat bastard, heh. The power is omniversal, the alterations were beyond global. Mad Jim Jaspers was brought back to life in Otherworld, the nexus of realities. The history of the K'ree was rewritten. Wanda has the power to Big Crunch the omniverse. Puts her at abstract level of higher. Definitely above little Frankie Richards and that's all that matters to me. She can affect everything in omniversal reality. But she can't affect the White Hot Room, beyond reality where Phoenix resides, so despite Wanda Prime being uber she's probably still a small notch below that cow Jean.
She has complete autonomy 🙂
Originally posted by Creshosk
"Were you thinking about me? you usually answer me much quicker!"Good lord man I was taking a piss, and now you sound like you are obsessed with me. . .
you call it piss well.... ok thats no way to talk about your genetic potential🙂
you started this conversation about your bodily functions 🙂
Keep the faith 🙂
Stay Whirly 🤘
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wandas biggest feat on panel is warping the reality of 616 earth. Thats cube being level.There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest she is beyond that. So you can say that you believe this or that but in a debate thats irrelevant with no on panel backing.
Even Legion set off a similar chaos wave by tampering with the M'kraan crystal. With both occassions neither of the mutants altered the multiverse directly as a result of outright power it was an unintended after effect resultant from amateur tamperings from both of them.
The fact that it was unintended doesnt make it any more impressive because the chaos wave isnt her power, it doesnt derive from her directly.
If Wanda consciously wanted to end creation then of course she probably could but it wouldnt be through outright power but merely through rupturing a dimensional barrier, sparking off something that would do it for her. Thats the difference.
Well its stated that Phoenix consumes reality in "fire and flame", which suggests she does it outright plus the fact that she creates creation outright makes it entirely feasible.
Either way warping 616 earth compared to creating and destroying the multiverse cyclically and holding 616 in her hand, amputating a future and restructuring it telekinetically.
Shes got Wanda beat. 😱
I already proved that it wasn't just the reality of 616 Earth. Thunderbolts addressed how the rest of the 616 reality changed. C'mon now, if Wanda's influence was limited to EARTH, Roma wouldn't be shitting her pants over the end of everything, would she? Roma isn't saying, "Aw man, this chaos waves is changing Earth's all over the place!" Roma is saying, "EVERYTHING is going to DIE!!!!" Big difference.
Tampering with the M'Kraan to set off multiversal destruction is opening the door of the house of reality, going back to the old analogy. What WANDA is doing, in contrast, is saying, "There is no door. There is no house. All this is MINE", circumventing the Crystal entirely. Phoenix needed the Crystal to stabilize reality. Wanda doesn't need anything but Wanda.
And the chaos wave WAS the result of her power. Wanda accidentally tore a hole in reality that Captain Britain needed to repair. She TORE it, with her own power. It was a little tear because it was accidental. Imagine if Wanda WANTED to undo or remake all creation....she wouldn't just make an accidental tear, she'd bust the whole thing wide open and that would be that. No more anything. It would create a rift that would go right up to the White Hot Room (Phoenix's house) and destroy it. Read the latest Uncanny to see what that looks like. You're telling me Wanda couldn't do that intentionally....or what? And you're telling me that Phoenix is going to sit back and let it happen if she could stop it? The same Phoenix that had no problem stepping in and stopping some space bacteria is going to sit back as all creation crumbles? Nope...she won't stop it because she can't. She's sitting back and hoping her betters can help. As any inferior power should.
Either that or she's still getting over being owned by Xorneto and isn't available right now. 😆
If Wanda consciously wanted to end creation then of course she probably could
What? Say that again? I didn't quite catch it the first time
If Wanda consciously wanted to end creation then of course she probably could
Well then, there you go. Now go home.
The effects of Wandas actions might have been omniversal ( the chaos wave), however it states in the above scan that the alteration was global:
"There has been an alteration of global proportions that has breached the walls of causality"
Wanda directly with her own resources warped the reality of 616 earth. As a result of her tamperings a chaos wave was unleashed which affected the multiverse. Impressive destruction but Wanda was respnsible directly only for the alteration on a global scale.
Originally posted by GalacticStormIt's sort of like how Leigon killing Xavier threatened to do the same thing.
The effects of Wandas actions might have been omniversal ( the chaos wave), however it states in the above scan that the alteration was global:"There has been an alteration of global proportions that has breached the walls of causality"
Wanda directly with her own resources warped the reality of 616 earth. As a result of her tamperings a chaos wave was unleashed which affected the multiverse. Impressive destruction but Wanda was respnsible directly only for the alteration on a global scale.
Yeah impressive power. . .