Originally posted by Ogami Itto
10677 posts since feb 2005!=Ogami has more of a life than dues x, i mean dark nemesis, imean darth, NO, Lord janus dammit i mean Ianus !!
jeez make up ur mind u neurotic prick!!!! 😂 😂 😂 😂
Wow, I haven't seen more smileys in one post save from when the person is either a) Gay or b...) not straight. Oh wait, I guess that works.
... ummm this WAS a ligitimate discussion. I'd like to get back to that please
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Sith train their entire lives. Birth on, it's be the best.That's worthless against a Sith Lord. They need technology for stuff like clotting? 😆 Sith have the ability to repair wounds extremely fast using only their minds.
Larger muscles and bones? Insignificant. Have you seen a picture of Ragnos? He is(judging if he had legs since there are no pictures of him in life) over 12 feet tall. Probably closer to 18 feet tall. He is FREAKIN HUGE!
It helps them eat 😱 !
They can. Obi-wan in AOTC(an rather weak Jedi at this time) took hits from ship-scale missles. Corran Horn(with only six weeks of training) could walk around in a building in which high explosive bombs were going off. That's with no armor. Ancient Sith, like Ragnos, were hundreds of times more powerful and war tons of armor that was enhanced by Sith Magics.
How many of these do they have? Like I said, give me fleet specs with power ratings(in a generic term, not "really super much alot mega". That would be called worthless and annoying.
The Empire had 25,000 ISD's and over a million frigates.
"I believe..." Dont give me crap. Lets see the Marines without their technology. Anyway, they did not. It was a swift movement of the hands. Read the NJO. It is official, it states it.
So what. This doesn't tell me jack digity.
Please don't tell me you called AI impressive. In Star Wars, nine year old boys can make AI it is so simplistic by then(TPM). Cleaning droids even are equipped with it.
Better than Storm of the Emperor's wrath is the many instakill lightning. ANYTHING that doesn't have extreme control over the Force will be instantly killed. Even Force users that are FAR weaker than Ragnos can use this(Luke).
Also, where did you get this crap that the Force can't block it just because the Warp can't? Think a little more next time.
The Force can destroy stars in seconds. It can control black holes with ease. It can extinguish all life in the galaxy if it chose(KOTOR 2. Kreia wanted the Exile to make the Force destory all life.)
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Ragnos is a god. He was the KING of a civilization of gods. Most powerful of out trillions of gods.
Now, lets see this list with detailed reasons and evidence to back them.
Space marines train their entire lives too, and their lives are longer(the oldest one not corrupted by chaos or in a dreadnought) is about 900 years old.
As for technology to clot tell me a jedi that can clot without the force in about a second. And I don't care how fast they can clot cause they will no longer have a head.
And so what if ragnos is huge. A few bolts and he is dead. Hell a dreadnought is huge and with the orinance and armour on that it will cut a scythe through standerd sith.
show me your details. Where in AOTC did obi won get hit by missiles. As for Coran, he was lucky to live. and their armour is laughable compared to power armour(a mixed composite material of plasteel, adamantium, and cermite)
How many void missiles? you have got to be kidding me. Its a standerd ordanance. as for fleet specs, well me guess was way off.
Your Empire fleet estimants seem to be wrong. Where are they from?
The vortex of doom is a portal that will suck things into the warp. As Ragnos is so big it most likely just fit him.
Let's see marines without their technology? What? That has nothing at all to do with this. I am allowing for your tech, so why not allow that marines will have their tech.
As AIs go SWs has pretty crappy ones.
Many kill lightnings? What?
As for the warp and force it has been generally agreed to people who argue this that since they come from different sources and are fudamentaly different. But if you want it the other way then guess what, my librarians can now block all of ragnos' power. They all have this little thing called a psychic hood. It allows them to block warp powers. If the force and warp now block each other then it works for the force too.
You want a list(as I knew you would) then here:
Demon Prince
Greater Demon
Chaos God
C'tan
Farseer
Avatar(maybe)
Librarian
Tyranids(all of them are pretty united so I see ragnos going down ander them)
Orks(same as above)
a few thousand guardsmen
about a hundred marines
about 25 grey knight
The EMperor of man pre heresy(maby even post heresy if hs mind is still there)
Horus
A chaos sorcerer
And all that BS about sith controling stars and black holes then wow they had a lot of problems. The entire vong invasion could of been stopped by just a little focus. The sith empire would never of fallen and if it did then they sure as hell would of taken the old republic with them Jeese the emperor wouldn't need to use the death star, he could of walked around annihilating everything offending him. And Yoda in hiding ha. He could of destroyed the entire imperial fleet. If this was true then by now darksiders would of destroyed the galaxy long ago. Think on that logic for a second.
A Battlefleet has about 75 ships in it. Also every sector has a full Battlefleet, and that means that each sector has about 75 warships in it. Segmentom(sp) fleets have MANY BFs in them.
Average weapon yield ranges from very high triple-digit gigaton to double or triple-digit teratons. Certainly a broadside will be measured in many teratons, even from fairly small ships (by their standards at least).
Originally posted by Stratigo
... ummm this WAS a ligitimate discussion. I'd like to get back to that pleaseGlad to hear it.
[QUOTE=5335774]Originally posted by Stratigo
[B]Space marines train their entire lives too, and their lives are longer(the oldest one not corrupted by chaos or in a dreadnought) is about 900 years old.
That is an extreme though. What is their average lifespan?
Originally posted by Stratigo
As for technology to clot tell me a jedi that can clot without the force in about a second. And I don't care how fast they can clot cause they will no longer have a head.
What? You say you want me to tell you something then the next sentence say you don't care.
Now, how is Ragnos going to lose his head?
Originally posted by Stratigo
And so what if ragnos is huge. A few bolts and he is dead. Hell a dreadnought is huge and with the orinance and armour on that it will cut a scythe through standerd sith.
Prove up. Seriously dude, you have to prove what you say.
Don't forget that Jedi and Sith can block bolts.
Originally posted by Stratigo
show me your details. Where in AOTC did obi won get hit by missiles. As for Coran, he was lucky to live. and their armour is laughable compared to power armour(a mixed composite material of plasteel, adamantium, and cermite)
When Jango fired the rocket at him on Kamino. He was then hit with ship grade weapons when Boba fired at him. Have you even watched the Star Wars movies?
Originally posted by Stratigo
How many void missiles? you have got to be kidding me. Its a standerd ordanance. as for fleet specs, well me guess was way off.
You need to prove something, or consider it a loss for the Imperium. And I meant how many of all ships do they have.
Originally posted by Stratigo
Your Empire fleet estimants seem to be wrong. Where are they from?
They aren't. I'll find a source later.
Originally posted by Stratigo
The vortex of doom is a portal that will suck things into the warp. As Ragnos is so big it most likely just fit him.
How does it suck things into it? You seem to be doding the actual question.
Originally posted by Stratigo
Let's see marines without their technology? What? That has nothing at all to do with this. I am allowing for your tech, so why not allow that marines will have their tech.
You sure sounded like you felt the only reason Luke and Kyp could control black holes was because of technology(which isn't true) and that they would not be able to do this if the fought the Imperium.
Originally posted by Stratigo
As AIs go SWs has pretty crappy ones.
ARe you referring to Protocal droids? The extremely simplistic ones that have been around for thousands of years and can be built by children? Would you expect them to be anything but dumb.
There were droids that were super intelligent such as IG-88.
Originally posted by Stratigo
Many kill lightnings? What?
Instakill lightning. Kills anything it touches that doesn't have an extremely powerful presence in the Force. Since the Imperium lacks the Force, they are screwed.
Originally posted by Stratigo
As for the warp and force it has been generally agreed to people who argue this that since they come from different sources and are fudamentaly different. But if you want it the other way then guess what, my librarians can now block all of ragnos' power. They all have this little thing called a psychic hood. It allows them to block warp powers. If the force and warp now block each other then it works for the force too.
You still haven't proved the Warp is better. Stop dodging questions.
You have also made the logical fallacy that just because the Force can block something that the Warp can to. Prove up.
Originally posted by Stratigo
You want a list(as I knew you would) then here:Demon Prince
Greater Demon
Chaos God
C'tan
Farseer
Avatar(maybe)
Librarian
Tyranids(all of them are pretty united so I see ragnos going down ander them)
Orks(same as above)
a few thousand guardsmen
about a hundred marines
about 25 grey knight
The EMperor of man pre heresy(maby even post heresy if hs mind is still there)
Horus
A chaos sorcerer
Lets see you PROVE that any of those could defeat Ragnos. Seriously, you are pissing me off. You just keep pulling crap out of your butt and it is extrememly annoying.
Originally posted by Stratigo
And all that BS about sith controling stars and black holes then wow they had a lot of problems. The entire vong invasion could of been stopped by just a little focus.
The Jedi searched for a peaceful way of stoping the Vong. They had numerous chances to utterly destroy them but CHOSE not to.
Originally posted by Stratigo
The sith empire would never of fallen and if it did then they sure as hell would of taken the old republic with them Jeese the emperor wouldn't need to use the death star, he could of walked around annihilating everything offending him. And Yoda in hiding ha. He could of destroyed the entire imperial fleet. If this was true then by now darksiders would of destroyed the galaxy long ago. Think on that logic for a second.
How about you think with any logic for a second.
First, the Sith Empire didn't want to destroy the Republic until the Great Sith War. Even then, they didn't want to make the galaxy a worthless place to live.
Next, since you obviously know nothing about SW, Sidious and Yoda are NOTHING next to Ragnos. They cannot destory Stars, but they are thousands of times weaker than him.
well I could tell from since this thing was started that you knew one side of the argument but not the other. As you are firm in your belief that Marko Ragnos is impossible to kill, this is pointless. But I will continue because I like debates.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
That is an extreme though. What is their [b]average lifespan?What? You say you want me to tell you something then the next sentence say you don't care.
Now, how is Ragnos going to lose his head?
Prove up. Seriously dude, you have to prove what you say.
Don't forget that Jedi and Sith can block bolts.
When Jango fired the rocket at him on Kamino. He was then hit with ship grade weapons when Boba fired at him. Have you even watched the Star Wars movies?
You need to prove something, or consider it a loss for the Imperium. And I meant how many of all ships do they have.
They aren't. I'll find a source later.
How does it suck things into it? You seem to be doding the actual question.
You sure sounded like you felt the only reason Luke and Kyp could control black holes was because of technology(which isn't true) and that they would not be able to do this if the fought the Imperium.
ARe you referring to Protocal droids? The extremely simplistic ones that have been around for thousands of years and can be built by children? Would you expect them to be anything but dumb.
There were droids that were super intelligent such as IG-88.
Instakill lightning. Kills anything it touches that doesn't have an extremely powerful presence in the Force. Since the Imperium lacks the Force, they are screwed.
You still haven't proved the Warp is better. Stop dodging questions.
You have also made the logical fallacy that just because the Force can block something that the Warp can to. Prove up.
Lets see you PROVE that any of those could defeat Ragnos. Seriously, you are pissing me off. You just keep pulling crap out of your butt and it is extrememly annoying.
The Jedi searched for a peaceful way of stoping the Vong. They had numerous chances to utterly destroy them but CHOSE not to.
How about you think with any logic for a second.
First, the Sith Empire didn't want to destroy the Republic until the Great Sith War. Even then, they didn't want to make the galaxy a worthless place to live.
Next, since you obviously know nothing about SW, Sidious and Yoda are NOTHING next to Ragnos. They cannot destory Stars, but they are thousands of times weaker than him. [/B]
Average is about 700 years if they don't die in battle.
ummm space marines super clotting power are now part of them. Its not like you can remove it. Without it they would not be a space marine. They'd still most likely make storm trooper(WH 40k type. Aka elite guardsmen)
Marko will have his head blown off by a miniture rocket.
And block bolts how. They are explosive. Shrapnel wounds. While the jedi or sith is healing(if they can. And not many sith have perfected the healing method.) they'll get ripped apart. And a dreadnought has an asault cannon(think the miniguns on a military helicopter)
I have watched the movies many times. They never were a hit. Obi Won jumped over the side of the platform to avoid dying from Jango's weapons.
there are about 3 void missiles per capitol ship. for fleet specs chech above post.
I personally have no idea how a vortex of doom sucks targets in. It is dealing with the warp and such doesn't bide by the laws of phsysics.
as for proving the warp is better its powers are generally more devastating. And how would the force affect the warp anyways? I don't even think the warp has a lifeforce. Pure raw warp essence corrupts anything in contact to it. The dark side is nothing campared to what happens if you let the warp get away with you.
As for ragnos getting his ass handed to him. lets see. A demon prince and greater deamon are warp entities and can't trualy die. not only that but they are supernaturaly fast, strong, and tough beyond anything even control of the forces give Ragnos. The space marine librarian has been already said. A farseer will mind fry Ragnos. The emperor, well there are so many ways the emperor could kill him. The emperor makes all Ragno's physical abilities look like that as a child. Also the emperor is the gesalt of all shamans and messiahs of earth. Beings like Jesus, moses, and others. His psychic ability will turn Ragnos into a mindless shell.
Bullshit. the jedi wanted that at first but it became clear that the vong would not bargain. Then the jedi started to loose badly.
When it became obvious that the sith were going to loose, do you think they would of hesitated to take everyone whith them.
You said luke could do it and sidious and yoda are both more powerful. So no I do not think they or any jedi/sith(even Ragnos) could control stars.
and since you do not know anything at all about Warhammer 40k then you should not of even started this. You are the type of person who goes "This guy is unbeatable." and you won'tlisten to anything else.
The universe of 40k is more power than star wars. Star wars is at almost dead center of the scale. The imperium would be upper center.
And you have asked for proof but given almost none. Well I'd like to see some proof of Ragnos' power. Hmmm. And tell me has he ever blown up a star?
Originally posted by Stratigo
well I could tell from since this thing was started that you knew one side of the argument but not the other. As you are firm in your belief that Marko Ragnos is impossible to kill, this is pointless. But I will continue because I like debates.
After this post, I am done. Overall, you have shown me that you are a moron, fanboy, idiot, fool, hypocrit and several other things the mods would find inapproiate for me to say here.
Originally posted by Stratigo
Average is about 700 years if they don't die in battle.
Okay.
Originally posted by Stratigo
ummm space marines super clotting power are now part of them. Its not like you can remove it. Without it they would not be a space marine. They'd still most likely make storm trooper(WH 40k type. Aka elite guardsmen)
Cut them in half. Bam. They are dead. Something that is easy for a someone who can control a star to do.
Originally posted by Stratigo
Marko will have his head blown off by a miniture rocket.
It's mark'A'. He can control a star he can control a rocket.
Originally posted by Stratigo
And block bolts how. They are explosive. Shrapnel wounds. While the jedi or sith is healing(if they can. And not many sith have perfected the healing method.) they'll get ripped apart. And a dreadnought has an asault cannon(think the miniguns on a military helicopter)
Sith can reatch severed limbs with ease. Believe me, healing is quite an easy thing for them to do.
Originally posted by Stratigo
I have watched the movies many times. They never were a hit. Obi Won jumped over the side of the platform to avoid dying from Jango's weapons.
He was knocked over by the blast. He didn't jump out of the way. And go read the books, Corran was NOT near dying.
Originally posted by Stratigo
there are about 3 void missiles per capitol ship. for fleet specs chech above post.
Prove how many systems they have.
Originally posted by Stratigo
I personally have no idea how a vortex of doom sucks targets in. It is dealing with the warp and such doesn't bide by the laws of phsysics.
Don't say you know nothing about something and still say things about it.
Originally posted by Stratigo
as for proving the warp is better its powers are generally more devastating. And how would the force affect the warp anyways? I don't even think the warp has a lifeforce. Pure raw warp essence corrupts anything in contact to it. The dark side is nothing campared to what happens if you let the warp get away with you.
crap. You aren't PROVING ANYTHING! No truth lies in you words.
Originally posted by Stratigo
As for ragnos getting his ass handed to him. lets see. A demon prince and greater deamon are warp entities and can't trualy die. not only that but they are supernaturaly fast, strong, and tough beyond anything even control of the forces give Ragnos. The space marine librarian has been already said. A farseer will mind fry Ragnos. The emperor, well there are so many ways the emperor could kill him. The emperor makes all Ragno's physical abilities look like that as a child. Also the emperor is the gesalt of all shamans and messiahs of earth. Beings like Jesus, moses, and others. His psychic ability will turn Ragnos into a mindless shell.
You didn't prove HOW they could do that.
Originally posted by Stratigo
Bullshit. the jedi wanted that at first but it became clear that the vong would not bargain. Then the jedi started to loose badly.
Go read it you dumbass. Even in the end, the Jedi still talked to the Yuuzhan Vong about peace.
Originally posted by Stratigo
When it became obvious that the sith were going to loose, do you think they would of hesitated to take everyone whith them.
They knew they would still survive and they did.
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Originally posted by Stratigo
ou said luke could do it and sidious and yoda are both more powerful. So no I do not think they or any jedi/sith(even Ragnos) could control stars.
You know nothing about star wars. Books. Luke is WEAK in the movies, in the books he is thousands of times more powerful, yet he is STILL weaker than Ragnos.
Originally posted by Stratigo
and since you do not know anything at all about Warhammer 40k then you should not of even started this. You are the type of person who goes "This guy is unbeatable." and you won'tlisten to anything else.
You are that person to. Hypocrit.
Originally posted by Stratigo
The universe of 40k is more power than star wars. Star wars is at almost dead center of the scale. The imperium would be upper center.
Oh wow. You backed that amazingly.
Originally posted by Stratigo
And you have asked for proof but given almost none. Well I'd like to see some proof of Ragnos' power. Hmmm. And tell me has he ever blown up a star?
He was many times more powerful than people who could destroy stars, so yes, he is powerful enough to do it.
Good by, retard.
Wow, Stratigo, if you're going to debate that something can beat Starwars, which is the premise of this forum, you should learn that the burden of proof is on you. Ragnos is one of the most powerful beings EVER to live in SWEU continuity. That's fact, it's written out in narration in the TOTJ comics. No hyperbole, no bullshit. He was "the most powerful of the most powerful." AKA more powerful that Lord "I can keep my head in a jar because I'm so uber" Simus, more powerful than Naga "I blow up stars because I'm bored" Sadow, more powerful than Ludo "I lead the resistance of a 'godlike' (again, official wording) race" Kressh.
He ruled the Sith Empire, an empire where the most powerful reign, for 150 years. That feat arguably supercedes effectively any political and power play maneuver in the Star Wars Universe. The burden of proof isn't on Ragnos.
When it became obvious that the sith were going to loose, do you think they would of hesitated to take everyone whith them.
Uhh... what are you smoking?
First off, the Ancient Sith screwed themselves over. Once the old Lords died after the Golden Age of the Sith, much of their culture and force powers were lost. As for the weaker, newer Sith in the following millenia, they absolutely didn't mind doing that. Ever hear of the Battle of Ruusan?
Originally posted by Darth Traya
Firstly Stratigo, stop bullshitting. Marines can live for 300 years, mabye 400 if they are lucky.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
After this post, I am done. Overall, you have shown me that you are a moron, fanboy, idiot, fool, hypocrit and several other things the mods would find inapproiate for me to say here.Okay.
Cut them in half. Bam. They are dead. Something that is easy for a someone who can control a star to do.
It's mark'A'. He can control a star he can control a rocket.
Sith can reatch severed limbs with ease. Believe me, healing is quite an easy thing for them to do.
He was knocked over by the blast. He didn't jump out of the way. And go read the books, Corran was NOT near dying.
Prove how many systems they have.
Don't say you know nothing about something and still say things about it.
crap. You aren't PROVING ANYTHING! No truth lies in you words.
You didn't prove HOW they could do that.
Go read it you dumbass. Even in the end, the Jedi still talked to the Yuuzhan Vong about peace.
They knew they would still survive and they did.
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You know nothing about star wars. Books. Luke is WEAK in the movies, in the books he is thousands of times more powerful, yet he is STILL weaker than Ragnos.
You are that person to. Hypocrit.
Oh wow. You backed that amazingly.
He was many times more powerful than people who could destroy stars, so yes, he is powerful enough to do it.
Good by, retard.
Hmmmm pot calling the kettle black. Wow, you sure get worked up over a fictional setting. I have called you nothing more then a fanboy and being a fanboy is not all that bad. Yet you resort to the sort of name calling I see in 10 year olds. You obviously have the sophistication and manners of an ape and the intellegence of a 3rd grader.
Tell me where you saw luke blow up/control stars and I will concede the point to you. Personally I find it hard to believe.
And indeed cutting a space marine in half would kill them(or close enough. Though if the were heroic they might get shoved in a dreadnought)
I still don't believe anyone can control a star, but I believe Marka can stop a bolt. it is a few hundred at a time that he might miss.
The problem with retaching severed limbs is when they have been blown to bits. When a bolt hits a target it not only blows it off it blows it to peices.
hmmm very well I'll see the movie again, but that is not how I remember it.
The imperium has over 100000 systems. It has never been documented how many there are exactly. It like if I asked how many systems Star wars has.
Don't say something I know nothing about? I know the vortex of doom works that is all that is needed. Tell me how exactly lightspeed works without smashing those in the ship. How does a lightsaber work. How do they get artificial gravity on ships.
Actually I dislike the vong books(i did indeed read them). I believe they came close to killing the EU(luckily there is a new series out). But don't tell me that some jedi, if they could, would of hesitated in destroying a star to get the vong(Kyp Durron specifically)
Luke is still weaker than yoda and sidious. Check stats for them sometime.
please tell me why you can't discuss and be polite or at least not insulting at the same time. I mean it just makes me believe that your arguments aren't all that strong or that you personally are a very insecure person.