thor vs darkseid(strongest version)

Started by Juntai7 pages

Originally posted by the Darkone
No is not ridiculous, two different universe. And Marvel gods they are stronger just deal with. Before celestials, LT, Phoenix force the top dogs in the marvel universe where Galactus/Odin/Zeus.

Marvel Odin is different from Dc, Odin in the marvel universe has cause shock waves throught multiverse on his own powers not the life force of asgard and the nine worlds. Same Zeus/Atum etc. marvel gods are better and in my opinion are written better than Dc's if don't like it,

oh well !

sorry for yah

A guardian effortlessly defeating and killing a form of Galactus in JLA/Avengers... also noting the Guardians are scared of full powered Darkseid is a pretty good guage of power..

And as was apperently decided by majority in the Odin vs Galactus thread, Galactus is far more powerful.

"A guardian effortlessly defeating and killing a form of Galactus in JLA/Avengers"

It wasent a "Guardian" no.

"Marvel Odin is different from Dc, Odin in the marvel universe has cause shock waves throught multiverse on his own powers not the life force of asgard and the nine worlds. Same Zeus/Atum etc"

In my pov they are also more of the top. Then again they do show up more and have more feats on a higher scale.

Originally posted by Juntai
Most of them yes, but it's irrelivent because it's the same Darkseid, and he himself has stated many times he was at low power. So his high feats are cutting swathe through gods.

what does that mean

At Pre-Crisis days the guy was all that.

now since Superman got a his powers lower so did Darkseid ( but even worse)

as all the low showings of DD , Kirby didn't want to make Darkseid loose to anyone

DC did it anyway

Meaning retcon

<<leo help us out here
what are his high showing after the Crisis?>>

there were a BUNCH of still VERY high showings (it's only very recently that he seems to be slipping for some reason) without going to the respect thread he has stalemated highfather (odin level), beaten takion (whose powers stem driectly from the source) created stayne (takion's counterpart) trapped the pantheons of gods, humbled the lords of order and chaos (those beings who give dr fate his power -- a MONSTROUS feat!) beat mordru, beat/trapped ares who was powered by the godwave inside the source and a bunch of other things you can look up in the respect thread.

people call him a jobber have only read his most recent showings. i still don't understand what dc's done/doing to him. it is clear that even AFTER crisis darkseid is enormously powerful -- should be WAY above superman level. but . . .

it's an inconsistency i hope dc corrects in the near future.

This is what ChatGPT said about this subject

In a battle between Rune King Thor and Darkseid (including True Form), the winner depends on the context and specific versions of these characters. However, based on their canonical powers and abilities, Rune King Thor likely has the edge in most scenarios. Here’s why:

Why Rune King Thor Would Win:
1. Omniscience:
• Rune King Thor knows all possible outcomes of the battle before it begins. This gives him the ability to counter every move Darkseid might make, including those using the Omega Effect or the Anti-Life Equation.
2. Reality Manipulation:
• Thor’s mastery of the Runes allows him to rewrite the fabric of reality, sever connections to cosmic powers, and nullify threats on a conceptual level. This means he could theoretically disable Darkseid’s powers, including his connection to the Anti-Life Equation and the Source.
3. Transcendence:
• Rune King Thor operates beyond the constraints of fate and death, making him immune to many of Darkseid’s most potent abilities, like the Omega Sanction, which traps opponents in a cycle of endless suffering.
4. Raw Power:
• Rune King Thor’s power surpasses even Odin and the Asgardian pantheon. Against Darkseid’s avatars or even his True Form, Thor’s sheer strength, durability, and cosmic might would allow him to go toe-to-toe physically while wielding superior metaphysical powers.

Why Darkseid Could Win (True Form):
1. Multiversal Scale:
• Darkseid’s True Form exists outside the multiverse as an abstract embodiment of destruction and evil. If the battle is fought on his terms or in his domain, his influence might surpass Thor’s ability to counter it.
2. The Anti-Life Equation:
• The Anti-Life Equation could theoretically strip Thor of free will, turning him into a mindless servant. However, this assumes Thor’s transcendence doesn’t make him immune to its effects.
3. Omega Effect:
• Darkseid’s Omega Beams and Omega Sanction are incredibly potent weapons. While Thor might resist or counter them, the Omega Effect’s ability to erase beings from existence entirely could pose a serious challenge.

Who Wins?

Rune King Thor Wins (7/10):
• Thor’s omniscience, reality manipulation, and transcendence make him a near-unstoppable force. He can counter Darkseid’s most dangerous abilities, nullify his powers, and sever his connections to cosmic forces like the Source or Anti-Life Equation.

True Form Darkseid Wins (3/10):
• If the fight occurs in a domain where Darkseid’s influence is absolute, such as the Source Wall or the multiverse’s conceptual framework, Darkseid might overwhelm Thor with his multiversal scale and the Anti-Life Equation.

Conclusion:

Rune King Thor would win most battles, especially in a neutral setting, as his omniscience and reality-warping abilities give him tools to counter even True Form Darkseid’s conceptual attacks. However, in rare scenarios where Darkseid’s multiversal influence is fully unleashed, he could secure a narrow victory.

Originally posted by Stoic
This is what ChatGPT said about this subject

In a battle between Rune King Thor and Darkseid (including True Form), the winner depends on the context and specific versions of these characters. However, based on their canonical powers and abilities, Rune King Thor likely has the edge in most scenarios. Here’s why:

Why Rune King Thor Would Win:
1. Omniscience:
• Rune King Thor knows all possible outcomes of the battle before it begins. This gives him the ability to counter every move Darkseid might make, including those using the Omega Effect or the Anti-Life Equation.
2. Reality Manipulation:
• Thor’s mastery of the Runes allows him to rewrite the fabric of reality, sever connections to cosmic powers, and nullify threats on a conceptual level. This means he could theoretically disable Darkseid’s powers, including his connection to the Anti-Life Equation and the Source.
3. Transcendence:
• Rune King Thor operates beyond the constraints of fate and death, making him immune to many of Darkseid’s most potent abilities, like the Omega Sanction, which traps opponents in a cycle of endless suffering.
4. Raw Power:
• Rune King Thor’s power surpasses even Odin and the Asgardian pantheon. Against Darkseid’s avatars or even his True Form, Thor’s sheer strength, durability, and cosmic might would allow him to go toe-to-toe physically while wielding superior metaphysical powers.

Why Darkseid Could Win (True Form):
1. Multiversal Scale:
• Darkseid’s True Form exists outside the multiverse as an abstract embodiment of destruction and evil. If the battle is fought on his terms or in his domain, his influence might surpass Thor’s ability to counter it.
2. The Anti-Life Equation:
• The Anti-Life Equation could theoretically strip Thor of free will, turning him into a mindless servant. However, this assumes Thor’s transcendence doesn’t make him immune to its effects.
3. Omega Effect:
• Darkseid’s Omega Beams and Omega Sanction are incredibly potent weapons. While Thor might resist or counter them, the Omega Effect’s ability to erase beings from existence entirely could pose a serious challenge.

Who Wins?

Rune King Thor Wins (7/10):
• Thor’s omniscience, reality manipulation, and transcendence make him a near-unstoppable force. He can counter Darkseid’s most dangerous abilities, nullify his powers, and sever his connections to cosmic forces like the Source or Anti-Life Equation.

True Form Darkseid Wins (3/10):
• If the fight occurs in a domain where Darkseid’s influence is absolute, such as the Source Wall or the multiverse’s conceptual framework, Darkseid might overwhelm Thor with his multiversal scale and the Anti-Life Equation.

Conclusion:

Rune King Thor would win most battles, especially in a neutral setting, as his omniscience and reality-warping abilities give him tools to counter even True Form Darkseid’s conceptual attacks. However, in rare scenarios where Darkseid’s multiversal influence is fully unleashed, he could secure a narrow victory.


Darkseid wouldn't even register RKT.

According to this forum, but it’s actually the opposite RK Thor is an ascendant being, nothing can harm him that Darkseid possesses according to an AI that doesn’t do favorites.

Originally posted by Stoic
According to this forum, but it’s actually the opposite RK Thor is an ascendant being, nothing can harm him that Darkseid possesses according to an AI that doesn’t do favorites.

We go on feats, not on AI crap. Ascendent to what? What are his feats?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Using ChatGPT for fact based questions (what is the size of your mom, how fast is a jet fighter) doesn't mean questions like who beats whom in a fictional reality are valid....

FULL DISCLAIMER: [b]I do not support the following, I only post it to show that Chat GPT answers can be shit

Do not be offended!

[/B]

As a transcendent being RK Thor operates outside of causality. This is different than those who are bound to their or any reality. Darkseid’s powers affect the reality that he is in, while RK Thor operates outside of those confines. Neither death or life held power over him. According to feats, that are on panel RK Thor defeated beings on Darkseids level. Yeah, a bunch on that level. The ones who sat above in shadow. They alone existed outside of the confines of lower level beings like Odin, and fed on them. They were as far above Odin as Odin a galaxy wrecker who was above humans. RK Thor made them look like they made Odin look in scale according to what was written, but I guess that we can just ignore all of that and go with our own conclusions. The problem here is the intellectual dishonesty.

Rune King Thor scaled above Galactus and could destroy him on a whim. There would be nothing that Galactus could do, as none of his energy blasts, or punches could do any harm to him. He’s down there slightly below Cosmic King Thor. This is something that I mentioned far before ChatGPT was every a thing, and yet Abhi decided to ignore the fact that Odin was far below the Ones that sit above in Shadow and decided it wise to scale him up to RK Thor despite it being stated that RK Thor was far above those that sat above in shadow in comparison to Odin.

In neutral space RK Thor would defeat True form Darkseid with superior knowledge and unlike guys like the phantom Stranger is not subject to time, death, energy attacks or any other physical force in a living universe or reality. He effectively existed outside of causality, meaning only a being as powerful as the One Above all, or the presence itself could reach him.

I got an AI capable of understanding what the story meant in order to support the facts.

Yeah but that same AI completely shit all over you, and I wouldn't dream of using it's answer to determine if you're a good debater or not.

Re: thor vs darkseid(strongest version)

Originally posted by jesserw21
who wins?
This strikes me as asking which amped version of either character wins.

In which case, ALE Darkseid from Final Crisis stomps any amped version of Thor.

Originally posted by ODG
This strikes me as asking which amped version of either character wins.

In which case, ALE Darkseid from Final Crisis stomps any amped version of Thor.


ALE Darkseid is just Darkseid using a mathematical formula, you retard.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ALE Darkseid is just Darkseid using a mathematical formula
Exactly 👆

Originally posted by ODG
Exactly 👆


It's just a math formula, he's not more powerful than his normal true self.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It's just a math formula
DC comic's legendary Anti-Life Equation... is just a math formula?

Now how stupid does that sound? Stupid enough to be one of the dumbest things you've ever said on KMC. Flash-fact. When someone makes a Revamped abhilegend Respect Thread, that post should be near the top of the Stupid Feats Section.

Originally posted by ODG
DC comic's legendary Anti-Life Equation... is just a math formula?

Now how stupid does that sound? Stupid enough to be one of the dumbest things you've ever said on KMC. Flash-fact. When someone makes a [b]Revamped abhilegend Respect Thread, that post should be near the top of the Stupid Feats Section. [/B]


Yes, as per final crisis it is.

Read it, retard.

^ Your b1tch-made self doesn't deserve it. But you might actually be this stupid. So let's try a more constructive tact:

"2+2=4" is just a math formula. Does that math formula make you master of all existence like DC's Anti-Life Equation? Yes or no?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Your b1tch-made self doesn't deserve it. But you might actually be this stupid. So let's try a more constructive tact:

"2+2=4" is just a math formula. Does that math formula make you master of all existence like DC's Anti-Life Equation? Yes or no?


ALE didn't make Darkseid master of all existence in Final Crisis, retard. It only removed free will from individuals.

Read retard, read.

^ Good job running away from your moronic proposiiton that the ALE wasn't an amp. 👆