Originally posted by Juntai
Reed Richards watched Gladiator fly "100 times the speed of light!" in the very same manner.
Originally posted by Juntai
But then again, that as well goes back to how Supes get put under a microscope because people don't want to believe he can do the things we've seen him do for years. No-one questioned the validity of Reed[and others present] doing that with Gladiator, but Supes vs Doomsday had a bystanders watching! Max saw Supes and Wonderwoman moving multiples of lightspeed! They must have slowed down to the speed of austistic children on a handful of muscle relaxers! It's the only explanation! Please, it's getting rediculous. The only indication of speed in the comic, had them moving in multiples of lightspeed, anything else is extrapolation.
Originally posted by OmegaCentennial
Superman "can" and "will" beat Thanos. Darkseid is the exact same character as Thanos, so I do not see as to how he will have any more difficulty with Thanos than he would of Darkseid.
Originally posted by Accel
Yes, but he never witnessed Gladiator fighting at those speeds. We've already established flight speed and combat speed are two different things.
True, but more-so true in the Marvel U than in the DCU, typically if a character is a lightspeeder, speedforcer, mach speed, whatever, he fights AND flies as those speeds. As can be determined by showings against other characters of calibre. That part about me mentioning Gladiator and the people watching him was more in the rediculous reply that if they were going that fast, Max COULDN'T be watching it. 🙄
The Superman vs Doomsday fight didn't occur at lightspeed either. Any indication that he fought Wonder Woman at the Sun based on the two trips to and from the Sun is pure speculation.It occured at much higher speeds than a human eye should be perceptible of. Superman was maxing himself. Ever seen a car go by going ohh... 150, or been to a raceway? Right, you probably couldn't even make it out. DD and Supes were moving at much greater speeds than that.
Anyways, it's your interpretation versus nearly everyone elses' who's read it. The information written into the comic, during that very fight scene no less, has them moving multiples of lightspeed. Your clearly extrapolating the whole ordeal. There is evidence of beyond lightspeed, there is none of slowing down.
Sorry, you're the one speculating, until the words in my comic magically change. Kind of like the picture magically changing to Venus, rather than the Sun to help support your other proof/theory/whatever. 🙄
Superman should never beat Darkseid really, considering Darkseid has made Pre-Crisis Supes his b!tch in the past. Most of Darkseid's losses have been retconned with avatars.Agreed, and true. Even his most recent loss, which has yet to be retconned is so full of PIS its rediculous. A guy who can control every direction the Omega Beams from his eyes go to go around and even through items to hit it's true target, and it bounces off of Wonder Womans bracelet[instead of around!] and shoots himself in the face. Then he slug fests it out with Superman in the middle of Superman's greatest source of power, the sun, when he could teleport himself or both of them to a more favorable position.
Originally posted by Juntai
True, but more-so true in the Marvel U than in the DCU, typically if a character is a lightspeeder, speedforcer, mach speed, whatever, he fights AND flies as those speeds. As can be determined by showings against other characters of calibre. That part about me mentioning Gladiator and the people watching him was more in the rediculous reply that if they were going that fast, Max COULDN'T be watching it. 🙄
If Superman and Wonder Woman were fighting each other at the speed of light DBZ style, no ordinary human eye should have been able to keep up with them, which Max did. They would appear to be invisible.
Originally posted by Juntai
It occured at much higher speeds than a human eye should be perceptible of. Superman was maxing himself. Ever seen a car go by going ohh... 150, or been to a raceway? Right, you probably couldn't even make it out. DD and Supes were moving at much greater speeds than that.Anyways, it's your interpretation versus nearly everyone elses' who's read it. The information written into the comic, during that very fight scene no less, has them moving multiples of lightspeed. Your clearly extrapolating the whole ordeal. There is evidence of beyond lightspeed, there is none of slowing down.
Sorry, you're the one speculating, until the words in my comic magically change. Kind of like the picture magically changing to Venus, rather than the Sun to help support your other proof/theory/whatever. 🙄
The information has them flying at light speed to the Sun and again back to Earth. In the middle, however, when they were actually fighting each other was the indication that they slowed down. Notice how Superman stops flying after WW temporarily blinds him with his own heat vision, then while while he has his hands over his eyes, WW pulls out the ring, and gets punched; THAT'S the indication that they slowed down at the Sun.
I'm referring to after WW pulled out the kryptonite ring. There was simply NO indication whatsoever that they were fighting at the speed of light- there are no words that state say so- we just see them moving around. Believe what you want, but there isn't any solid evidence to back up your claims other than the fact that they flew to the Sun faster than light.
"Superman "can" and "will" beat Thanos. Darkseid is the exact same character as Thanos, so I do not see as to how he will have any more difficulty with Thanos than he would of Darkseid."
Because the showings of both are different.
Darkseid has troubles with top tier level. And with this i make really clear that im talking of a good deal of his post crisis showings, especially in the late years.
Thanos usually smokes top tier and above in Heralds level. And he has consistantly doing so, practically since he showed up.
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"It occured at much higher speeds than a human eye should be perceptible of. Superman was maxing himself."
Are we talking DOS here? They werent moving faster than the eye could follow.
The writters intent probably was that one, but in the story itself that he wrote he practically had everything there against that notion. From the TV cameras to people taking shots to Lois commenting the whole thing, i find it just difficult to accept that they wer moving faster than that.
Unless your not talking about DOS....
there's no reason the answer needs to be black and white as regards to the speed in dos. they may well have fought much of the fight at superspeed. however, there were many places where the fight may have bogged down (if one was knocked down or away from the other, if there were places where supes just paused to catch his breath) and slowed down to regular battle levels. they may have spent time throwing uber-speed punches, cleared, slowed, then resumed at superspeed. the crowd very well COULD have watched many parts of the fight, reporters could have taken pics, but there was likely a lot of the fight they would NOT have been able to follow.
the writer's intent was clearly to have them battling at superspeed, but that doesn't mean they had to fight every moment of the fight at superspeed.
and accl -- i actually tend to agree with you about that ww/supes fight. there is that scene where they seem to stop, or at least pause. jun MAY be right, but accl is at least right in that there is not necessarily any DEFINITE proof that they were actually battling at supra-lightspeeds -- or whatever ww's max speed is. were supes TRULY fighting at his fastest, as close as they were to the sun and amped like supes likely was -- i doubt even ww could have kept up with him.
Originally posted by chris_64256
seriously people is this what its come to here , are you ****ing kidding?
Originally posted by bigbranWell Supes has beaten most of those guys you mentioned also.
supes is on thors level, and supes beats up darkseid all the time. in the meantime, thanos beats up, hulk, hercules, ss, thor,thing and so many others, so what makes you think supes and darkseid can take him.
Anyways Thanos is a second rate immitation of Darksied. Darksied is the real deal and he even told Thanos that once upon a time.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/DarkseidandThanos.jpg
Originally posted by bigbranI don't even know what the hell your talking about.
crossovers are decided on fan votes and i dought there going to make supes 1 villian lose to someone who is actully good. and thanos beat them at the same time, so i dont know where your getting at.
Crossovers are fan voted?
Originally posted by bigbran
darkseid is the real deal? thanos has destroyed the entire universe before. and under his own power defeats multiple teams. tricks gods, defeat omniessence people and destroys superhereos. darky gets beat by supes and doomsday.
All his fights with Darkseid have been ret-conned, thus the whole "avatar" thing.
