Originally posted by long pig
Well, I've just thought about it a lot recently, and there is no real answer.When someone asks, a Thanos fan normally shows Thanos beating Surfer or Gladiator.
But, without mentioning fights against a hero who could have been jobbing to Thanos, there is no true reason why Superman or Strange or any of the four couldn't beat him or at least stalemate him.
Oh so just becuz thanos has far greater power than surfer its now jobbin when thanos curbstomps his *******. Give me a break man superman fanboy go read a comic!
Originally posted by supremthor
people give thanos way to mouch credite thats why. thanos is not stronger then superman or gladitor. I repeat not stronger he has never ever shown that strength level. he went up against prof hulk, thing. and etc way to go that a big deal......not realy. the thing that makes thanos above characters like superman,silver surfer, gladitor and even odin is 4 the fact that they have no means of hurting him at all. the inly way to kill thanos is if that person is more powerful then death. death mad him immortal under her own power so the only way to put thanos out is if ur above death in power. thanos would kill superman in a fight thats a none fact.............. but say one day death was bored and said to superman i m gonna make u an immortal then no one would be able to fu<k with superman.. not odin not zues not even normal powered G. i m not saying he would defeat them i m just saying the wont be able to put him down cuss he would get right bac up.
thanos can increase his strength to untold levels far greater than the hulks capable of. so how the hell is superman goin to deal with everylasting increasing strength levels feed by cosmic power u daryl!
Originally posted by the Darkone
Thanos will still kick his ass, please Thanos fought a skyfather in Odin and skyfather being in Tyrant and both of these guys will stomp Any version of superman into sh**.
"there's no reason the answer needs to be black and white as regards to the speed in dos. they may well have fought much of the fight at superspeed. however, there were many places where the fight may have bogged down (if one was knocked down or away from the other, if there were places where supes just paused to catch his breath) and slowed down to regular battle levels. they may have spent time throwing uber-speed punches, cleared, slowed, then resumed at superspeed. the crowd very well COULD have watched many parts of the fight, reporters could have taken pics, but there was likely a lot of the fight they would NOT have been able to follow"
I dont agree with the could. They SAW the fight and most notably parts where they werent just slugging out. That alone shows they werent going invisible to the crowd or anything close to that.
That they wer moving faster than a human could hope for its a given, faster than the eye could perceive? Not so.
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"lol you don't know all star superman who become so powerfull that his cells begin to die because he was so overpowered he lifted a half million ton key with 1hand without makin any effort he had no strenght limit he pushed back 200 quintillion tons with one hand again without any effort"
His cells began to die because he absorsed too much from his trip to the sun. More than his body could.
With that being said he was boosted to unknown levels and so far estimated to at least three times more.
that's what i said. they were able to follow much of the fight -- they were likely thowing punches at superspeed. if guy didn't see dd charge him, clearly no 'fan' 'saw' it either. also, fans aren't shown to be watching 'every' part of the fight in that book. there were likely parts of the fight that were too fast for them to follow and parts of the fight that weren't. the end, for instance, would have been a scene they easily followed as both were tired and slowed. other sections and scenes: not so. to say otherwise calls the writer and characters in the book a bunch of liars. and then you need to decide -- what IS too fast? did they see parts as blurs? were some parts simply invisible? i don't even know what supes' 'max' speed WAS during that period, but it was a lot less than has recently been shown. whatever it was, dd was at least at times matching him using his speed.
"if guy didn't see dd charge him, clearly no 'fan' 'saw' it either"
Legit doubt. But even if the ring does give him high speeds, he wasent using it i belive.
Also, doesnt he say that the creature was "too strong for him" and thus he couldnt react?
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"fans aren't shown to be watching 'every' part of the fight in that book"
I mean the ones where we see people getting caught in the middle or when the match is being reported. For example.
When Supes and DD engage in a videostore they are perceived. And they wer moving fast. Then it shows up on TV.
Next, Lois reports whats happening when Supes spins DD creating a hurricane and then proceeds to tell what happened next. That is: where DD landed on. Jimmy is taking shots.
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"the end, for instance, would have been a scene they easily followed as both were tired and slowed."
Agreed. Altho Supes says he needs to speed up to match him, i was also stated they wer getting weaker.
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"to say otherwise calls the writer and characters in the book a bunch of liars."
Only the "hes faster than the Flash" bits. Thats high considering what happened in the whole of the story.
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"did they see parts as blurs?"
One at least as statement iirc. But still perceived.
who was saying they were moving too fast to be perceived? you can perceive a blur. not perceiving them would mean fighting at . . . ludicrous speeds.
guy did say that he didn't have TIME to react, and guy was at least prepped for battle. it wasn't a sucker punch, al la bats's hitting him. if he couldn't see the attack coming, why would some inexperienced fan see it?
you've mentioned PARTS of the fight that would have been perceiveable. i acknowledged there were parts of the fight fans could have followed. however, there were other parts fans likely could not have followed -- ie, the close, in-fighting, the 'detail'. don't forget, there have been pictures shown in newspapers in comics of flash fighting opponents. just because a picture was taken, doesn't mean they were fighting slow. and i'm not even sure how fast flash was capable of moving in that arc. not lightspeed, for sure.
another thing never taken into account is how MUCH fans or crowd could perceive. being able to see the 'macro- fight, is defferent from seeing everything. could they have counted punches thrown? i doubt it -- least not in all cases. could they have followed all motion? i doubt it -- least not in all cases. people on the street have watched the jla and flash fight before. reporters have reported on their battles in the past. does that mean they never go superspeed or that fans can follow all the action that is in their perceptual range? highly doubtful given the speed of some of the attacks.
fans could follow some of the action, but a lot of it they likley could not have followed. to say otherwise is saying they fought at very low speeds, considering fans watching a martial arts match sometimes miss individual blows that are struck.
"who was saying they were moving too fast to be perceived? you can perceive a blur. not perceiving them would mean fighting at . . . ludicrous speeds."
Im well aware of that. But i like to make clear that it happened that way, especially after reading somewhere in this thread that they wer moving at lightspeed or something.
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"guy did say that he didn't have TIME to react, and guy was at least prepped for battle. it wasn't a sucker punch, al la bats's hitting him. if he couldn't see the attack coming, why would some inexperienced fan see it?"
He was shielded yes. Like he usually is when going against a threat. But considering i dont see him using or stating to use any high speeds, thats only probably a testament that DD was faster in reactions than HIM.
A human with a Sinestro ring that wasent using for what we saw, notable speed.
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"another thing never taken into account is how MUCH fans or crowd could perceive. being able to see the 'macro- fight, is defferent from seeing everything. could they have counted punches thrown? i doubt it -- least not in all cases. could they have followed all motion? i doubt it -- least not in all cases"
I agree with that. Its not like they counted every move, that never happened. Its only the fact that they could be perceived by regular folk that makes statements like " light speeds" and- or "faster than the Flash" ludricious.
I mean, Thor has moved with that kind of the speed demostrated here. No flight, he just moved.
And i dont see anyone saying he has high speeds or amazing ones, when in this case theres always someone who says so.
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"and i'm not even sure how fast flash was capable of moving in that arc. not lightspeed, for sure"
Sound speed most likely.
i'm really not at all sure what you're saying.
they moved with superspeed in the fight, fast enough that the people watching could perceive at least some of the fight, but almost certainly not all, and in all probablility there was motion they would have been unable to follow at all except as a blur.
were they moving lightspeed? no, certainly not as the devastation of lightspeed movement would have been catstrophic. speed of sound? i'd guess not even that as no sonicbooms (i don't recall) were indicated. but they can still be fighting at blurring speed and be going below speed of sound for much of the fight, and fighting at speeds too hard to follow if they weren't tired or if they didn't pause for a break.
and, as usual, we are off topic. 🙁
that dos fight is barely relevent anymore, in any event, given supes recent apparent upgrades. in a battle with thanos, he'd be able to fight at and attack at much greater speeds than those he displayed in that battle. even still, for some reason i have a hard time saying supes stands a chance 1on1 v thanos.
"they moved with superspeed in the fight, fast enough that the people watching could perceive at least some of the fight, but almost certainly not all, and in all probablility there was motion they would have been unable to follow at all except as a blur."
Its what im saying.
They werent moving fast enough that they couldnt be perceived by the human eye. BUT they wer faster than a human could react - run or move IMO.
Classic ninja act of i can see your going to strike me but im not fast enough to counter it.
In the end it makes those lightspeed comments damn far off. Even the one that was used comparing the Flashof the day. And im not saying your the one who use those, just a general sense it gets when this topic shows up.
If you really look at it, Superman wouldn't be able to withstand Thanos full onslaught or anybody else he face. Darkseid alone will deficate on him all day, let's be real this is the same Darkseid who scared the living sh** out of pre-crisis superman. And Thanos is Darkseid counter part in the MArvel universe who doesn't jobber at all, Thanos alone defeated a cube being which are above skyfathers in power. Thanos is eternal/titan with two upgrades from death herself, Thanos will crumb stomp superman all day and Thanos stomps Silver Surfer who is more powerful than Superman on a regular bases.
These guys in his universe should own superman everytime they see him, but they don't because Dc kisses superman ass and jobber to him everytime.
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Darkseid
Highfather
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Alan Scott
Hal Jordan
Kylie Rayner
Dr. Fate
Zantanna
Originally posted by the Darkone
If you really look at it, Superman wouldn't be able to withstand Thanos full onslaught or anybody else he face. Darkseid alone will deficate on him all day, let's be real this is the same Darkseid who scared the living sh** out of pre-crisis superman. And Thanos is Darkseid counter part in the MArvel universe who doesn't jobber at all, Thanos alone defeated a cube being which are above skyfathers in power. Thanos is eternal/titan with two upgrades from death herself, Thanos will crumb stomp superman all day and Thanos stomps Silver Surfer who is more powerful than Superman on a regular bases.These guys in his universe should own superman everytime they see him, but they don't because Dc kisses superman ass and jobber to him everytime.
Asmodel
Darkseid
Highfather
Orion w/full astro force
Alan Scott
Hal Jordan
Kylie Rayner
Dr. Fate
Zantanna
AMEN