Spectre vs Thanos

Originally posted by Xplosive
Tapping into God power is something that is beyond aspect of God.
Phoenix would be nothing for HOTU (in that time, LT was thought to be the most powerful, even for you GS, if today THOTU would happen again, even if Phoenix would intefere, you know how HOTU would be stopped, again, the one with HOTU should recreate evertyhing again). Phoenix or Spectre may be aspect of God, but THOTU, like it showed, was all God power, absolute power, that is why I said, tapping into God power is beyond being an aspect, whole is more than part.
Marvel clearly showed THOTU was beyond anything, so I think they also meant beyond Phoenix.

That made no sense. What you dont seem to understand is that Spectre IS God. An aspect isnt a seperate entity with a portion of Gods power. It is just a different side of God made manifest. Spectre is God. In a crossover TOAA and Presence are one and the same. Therefore if Spectre has jurisdiction to stop Thanos who is just tapping into Gods power then of course he can. Its his power for christs sake and Thanos is misusing it. An aspect is God its a different side of the same coin. Thats what im trying to get through to you so saying tapping into gods power is beyond an aspect really doesnt make sense. Any aspect of god with jurisdiction could defeat Thanos or anyone with HOTU.

On top of that you dont know if HOTU was all of Gods power or a measure of it. Do you really think the supreme being would make his power in its totality so easily accessible? Come on XP.

The comic showed that Gods power is beyond all, beyond his servants such as LT for definite but beyond aspects definitely not.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Forget feats, HOTU was part of the Marvel only for few issues, so how to have such feats. Phoenix is someone that we will always see.
But you know why we wont see HOTU ever again, cause its far too much to be brought back again, it would be meaningless to have HOTU again.

Precisely. It has few showings and all we know for definite is that its a power beyond LT. Anything else is speculation and unfounded opinion. All it did on panel we know Phoenix is capable as has been shown on panel. Theres no denying that. Thats all im saying.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Thanos wasn't tapping inot God's power he was God. If you read the end you will see that God had set Thanos up to take over his jobe because all of theMultiverse was unraviling. Lt judges multiple realities if Thanos wiped him out with a mrere thought then he is as powerfull as the TOAA because TOAA abidcated his position to Thanos.

Incorrect. That was Thanos speculating on the matter. Do you really think the supreme being would make his power in its totality so accessible? 😉

If the feat could be achieved through Gods power why didnt TOAA do it himself? Read The End again and you will see it was Thanos' take on events. Either way Spectre IS God. By the conditions of this thread God wants Thanos stopped. Under those conditions Spectre wins. Any aspect acting within its role is unstoppable.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That made no sense. What you dont seem to understand is that Spectre IS God. An aspect isnt a seperate entity with a portion of Gods power. It is just a different side of God made manifest. Spectre is God. In a crossover TOAA and Presence are one and the same. Therefore if Spectre has jurisdiction to stop Thanos who is just tapping into Gods power then of course he can. Its his power for christs sake and Thanos is misusing it. An aspect is God its a different side of the same coin. Thats what im trying to get through to you so saying tapping into gods power is beyond an aspect really doesnt make sense. Any aspect of god with jurisdiction could defeat Thanos or anyone with HOTU.

How can be Spectre a God, I mean when Lucifer told him to move, he moved, like he was scared of Lucifer. Spectre also doenst have all the power of God.

On top of that you dont know if HOTU was all of Gods power or a measure of it. Do you really think the supreme being would make his power in its totality so easily accessible? Come on XP.

The comic showed that Gods power is beyond all, beyond his servants such as LT for definite but beyond aspects definitely not.

Precisely. It has few showings and all we know for definite is that its a power beyond LT. Anything else is speculation and unfounded opinion. All it did on panel we know Phoenix is capable as has been shown on panel. Theres no denying that. Thats all im saying. [/B]

Easiliy accesible or not, he had seemignly absolute power and it was simply said, he was God.
GS, in that time it was thought Phoenix is not an aspect and it was thought its bellow LT, no, also bellow other abstract such as Eternitiy....
Only way to solve this, it would be to ask Marvel, who would be more powerful, and that is it. We can only speculate. I still think that THOTU would make a joke out of Phoenix. And you were saying alone that Phoenix is an aspect, not all God power. You give comparison, like God and Phoenix its part, like finger lets say. That is why I said whole is beyond part.

Isnt Spectre a fallen angel, who is actully powered by God.

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
The HOTU = LT ............... IMO !!!

You have the answer in The End.

Originally posted by Xplosive
How can be Spectre a God, I mean when Lucifer told him to move, he moved, like he was scared of Lucifer. Spectre also doenst have all the power of God.

When that was written Spectre was a fallen angel who acted as the spirit of vengeance as a way to atone for his sins. On top of that Lucifer is gods favourite anyway is he really going to exact his power on his son?

Originally posted by Xplosive
Easiliy accesible or not, he had seemignly absolute power and it was simply said, he was God.
GS, in that time it was thought Phoenix is not an aspect and it was thought its bellow LT, no, also bellow other abstract such as Eternitiy....
Only way to solve this, it would be to ask Marvel, who would be more powerful, and that is it. We can only speculate. I still think that THOTU would make a joke out of Phoenix. And you were saying alone that Phoenix is an aspect, not all God power. You give comparison, like God and Phoenix its part, like finger lets say. That is why I said whole is beyond part.

The End came out in 2004 didnt it so New X-men had already come out so Phoenix wasnt written as just another cosmic entity but was linked with God as per the original concept. An aspect is a side of God. But its still God with his power. Aspects carry out specific tasks and have a certain role. Phoenix is the creation aspect. Spectre is the gods wrath. Just another side of the same coin.

The only speculation here is that HOTU was gods power in its totality as opposed to a measure of it. Dont you understand that if Thanos is tapping into Gods power and then Spectre with jurisdiction comes in to stop him then of course he will win. Spectre is god. With jurisdiction aspects are unstoppable.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Isnt Spectre a fallen angel, who is actully powered by God.

That got retconned apparently.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Incorrect. That was Thanos speculating on the matter. Do you really think the supreme being would make his power in its totality so accessible? 😉

If the feat could be achieved through Gods power why didnt TOAA do it himself? Read The End again and you will see it was Thanos' take on events.

So isn't that also just speculation on your part?

Originally posted by Warmonger
So isn't that also just speculation on your part?

How so? Thanos was speculating on the events he didnt know for certain. It was a monologue we had access to Thanos' thoughts so that was made quite clear.

Thanos couldnt stop the multiverse from unravelling via his power. Surely if he had become TOAA he would have been able to?

As i said before all we know is that Thanos tapped into a power which placed him above LT. Anything beyond that is speculation.

As gods power whatever the measure if God comes in to take the power away in his Spectre guise then of course he can. Thats all this comes down to. Spectre IS god a different side of the same coin. His vengeance aspect. God wants Thanos stopped so Spectre can do it. It is gods power in the first place after all. Whats there to debate here?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

The End came out in 2004 didnt it so New X-men had already come out so Phoenix wasnt written as just another cosmic entity but was linked with God as per the original concept. An aspect is a side of God. But its still God with his power. Aspects carry out specific tasks and have a certain role. Phoenix is the creation aspect. Spectre is the gods wrath. Just another side of the same coin.

The only speculation here is that HOTU was gods power in its totality as opposed to a measure of it. Dont you understand that if Thanos is tapping into Gods power and then Spectre with jurisdiction comes in to stop him then of course he will win. Spectre is god. With jurisdiction aspects are unstoppable.

I dont agree not even a little with you here. LT was said by Thanos, the most powerful. I only see THOTU crushin Spectre and Phoenix at the same time.
God alone will have to come to stop THOTU. All what was clear in The End, was that it was shown THOTU presented as the greatest power ever in Marvel, it was quite clear.
You know GS that I agree with you about Phoenix in particulary almost everything and many times supported you, you theoories, actully facts. But I am taking THOTU here, just because Marvel clearly showed it.

Thanos wins.

Spectre = Presence? Bullsh!t.

Presence = TOAA = Spectre? Bullsh!t.

Presence =TOAA
Lucifer = HOTU
Spectre = Living Tribunal

That's more like it.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Lucifer = HOTU

THOTU would make a joke out of Lucifer.

Originally posted by Xplosive
THOTU would make a joke out of Lucifer.

I kind of agree with you.

Lucifer is one smart bastard though. He has a better chance of talking Thanos into giving up THOTU.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Lucifer is one smart bastard though. He has a better chance of talking Thanos into giving up THOTU.

You know, actully maybe, but its Thanos, but that would be actully his only chance.

Lucifer would make Thanos look like a down syndromed fetus.

The Spectre is not a aspect of God, he is a fallen angel transformed by The Presence so that he will work according to how Gods Wrath is suppose to act. The Spectre gets his power from The Spectre Force, the Spectre Force's power is connected with The Logoz/The Word GOD (Jesus in the real world and probably in DC as well). in DOV a girl took The Spectres power "The Spectre Force" away from him for a short time. She could only have his powers for a short time. Even after a short time of her having his powers they was beginning to slip away from her and back to him and while that was happening he was putting borders up so it couldn't happen again.

The Spectre still wins, hes been alive longer then almost any other beings in the universe and hes fought probably alot more then Thanos as well and bigger dangers then him (someone say The Great Beast? ) 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
It's debatable. Who's to say the power the Heart of The Universe is weaker than Spectre? Only your opinions. Everything is just an opinion. Did you read THE END saga Immortal One? Did you see what Thanos did to Living Tribunal, Infinity, Eternity, The Celestials, Etc???

LT and Spectre should be around the same power levels. LT patrols the Multiverse same as Spectre.

How can LT be equal to Thanos with the HOTU?

Your scenario on the other hand could very well happen though. Spectre could try to show Thanos the future if he wants to. That could cause him to give up the HOTU... But not likely. He's not the Messiah of the Marvel Universe. Warlock is. 🙂

So according to your logic plus my logic/theory,

Thanos with HOTU > Spectre Powered by Presence = Living Tribunal > Phoenix Force

Yup. That's the way I see it.

See this pic?

Thanos took everyone out in that pic. Blacked out the whole damn Multiverse. Then recreated it.

Originally posted by kevdude
The Spectre is not a aspect of God, he is a fallen angel transformed by The Presence so that he will work according to how Gods Wrath is suppose to act. The Spectre gets his power from The Spectre Force, the Spectre Force's power is connected with The Logoz/The Word GOD (Jesus in the real world and probably in DC as well). in DOV a girl took The Spectres power "The Spectre Force" away from him for a short time. She could only have his powers for a short time. Even after a short time of her having his powers they was beginning to slip away from her and back to him and while that was happening he was putting borders up so it couldn't happen again.

The Spectre still wins, hes been alive longer then almost any other beings in the universe and hes fought probably alot more then Thanos as well and bigger dangers then him (someone say The Great Beast? ) 😮‍💨

Heart of the Universe will nullify Spectre's experience. 🙂

It will become obsolete.

heres the deal people the tribunal and spectre are equal. The picture above shows thanos above the tribunal so therofore above spectre. the picture says it all theres no arguing with the picture. Problem solved no more debate.

Originally posted by kevdude
The Spectre is not a aspect of God, he is a fallen angel transformed by The Presence so that he will work according to how Gods Wrath is suppose to act. The Spectre gets his power from The Spectre Force, the Spectre Force's power is connected with The Logoz/The Word GOD (Jesus in the real world and probably in DC as well). in DOV a girl took The Spectres power "The Spectre Force" away from him for a short time. She could only have his powers for a short time. Even after a short time of her having his powers they was beginning to slip away from her and back to him and while that was happening he was putting borders up so it couldn't happen again.

The Spectre still wins, hes been alive longer then almost any other beings in the universe and hes fought probably alot more then Thanos as well and bigger dangers then him (someone say The Great Beast? ) 😮‍💨

A few months ago i was saying all of that fallen angel stuff but then
Juntai pointed me to a Spectre issue where it apparrently states that Spectre is the Logoz. I have yet to get hold of it but is that true or is it just that the Spectre is derived from the Logoz?

My stance on this depends on your answer so make it good lol.