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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Rogue, Cyclops and Storm pose no problem to the likes of the F4, in my opinion.Rachel Grey, last time I checked (because people do like to give X-Men new updates every week) was some ultra mega psychic/psionic. So probably them, if she's that powerful.
-AC
If its that easy then why did the previous F4 Vs Xmen go on for so long. Emma is a powerful telepath as well. Surely she could have done the same thing? 😕
Some people argue that Sue can block out telepathy. Is that true?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I heard Sue could block tp because of an event in the Onslaught saga. Anyone?Either way i'll swap Rachel Grey for current Psylocke with TK
What now?
Originally people were saying that Sue could deflect telepathy because she did it to Jean Grey when she emerged from the Phoenix cacoon and she took out the FF and the Avengers by herself until Sue took her down (while Jean was knocking out everybody else). The FF supporters either didn't realize (or were intentionally misleading) that it was the same issue where Jean revealed at the end of it that she'd lost her telepathic powers.
For awhile after, they said that Sue masking her presence from Apocalypse on the Astral Plane was also proof that she could block telepathy. But again, what that turned out to be was Cable masking her mental form and Sue masking her "physical" form on the Astral Plane, because in that issue, your powers worked the same way on the AP as it did in the physical world. So again...no.
Now there are some people who claim that she used telepathy block power against either Psi-Lord or Hyperstorm, but they haven't given any references, described the battle, or posted any scans of her actually blocking some form of telepathic attack. The point gets dropped every time someone asks for specifics. There may yet be proof that she's blocked telepathy there, but until it's provided, the other false examples have shown how misleading Sue supporter's "evidence" really is.
Meanwhile, Emma effortless got through Sue's shield to make a telepathic statement. Scans were posted.
Decide for yourself. 😄
Originally posted by demigawd
Oh, as for what now - without a telepath on the X-men, the fight gets more interesting. But I still give it to the X-men. My guess is that we'll get responses like, "Sue puts everybody in a forcefield and HT goes supernova" or "Sue pierced Galactus' hide" or "Sue destroyed a Celestial", etc.
I'm not saying anything about peirceing galactuses hide or killing a celstial (both of which seem farfetched.) But I can't see what's stoping her from making all their heads go "boom"
Sue used her powers of "making invisible things visible" on Onslaught. She has also blocked psionic attacks from Psi-Lord. Reed also has anti telepathy technology that he and the rest of the team use. If all it took to beat the F4 was any old telepath then I'd imagine they'd all be killed by Doom by now.
The sheer magnitude of Rachel's power makes her a threat for any team...she would make it really difficult for the F4 to win this...the other X-Men dont make a huge impact though, like AC said.
BTW when did Emma win the showdown with Sue? Sue knocked her out and made a comment about her powers not being the only one's that travelled at the speed of thought. Emma gave Sue a headache when she was breaking up the scuffle between Thing and Wolverine...thats not really a direct confrontation though because she was already distracted managing the other two.
Originally posted by sam_drugbringer
I'm not saying anything about peirceing galactuses hide or killing a celstial (both of which seem farfetched.) But I can't see what's stoping her from making all their heads go "boom"
I suppose the same thing that prevents the telekinetic on the team from making the FF's hearts stop.
I try to keep things within the context of a character's personality, which means heart-stopping techniques by psionics and nova flames are all out.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Sue used her powers of "making invisible things visible" on Onslaught. She has also blocked psionic attacks from Psi-Lord. Reed also has anti telepathy technology that he and the rest of the team use. If all it took to beat the F4 was any old telepath then I'd imagine they'd all be killed by Doom by now.The sheer magnitude of Rachel's power makes her a threat for any team...she would make it really difficult for the F4 to win this...the other X-Men dont make a huge impact though, like AC said.
BTW when did Emma win the showdown with Sue? Sue knocked her out and made a comment about her powers not being the only one's that travelled at the speed of thought. Emma gave Sue a headache when she was breaking up the scuffle between Thing and Wolverine...thats not really a direct confrontation though because she was already distracted managing the other two.
I wasn't referring to a comic showndown between Emma and Sue. I was referring to the lengthy debate over who would get the quickdraw out first. Their didn't have a real confrontation in the debate. Emma was talking to Sue and Sue knocked her out. Sue had her shield up and Emma talked to Sue through it, giving her a headache. Neither proves who would win, but it does show that Sue's shields didn't do squat to filter out Emma's "authoratative headache voice", which could have easily been "Emma's "knock you the **** out voice".
Making invisible things visible != telepathy blocking powers.
Which of course leaves us back with the Psi-Lord situation. When and where did this happen? Are there scans? A battle description? Anything? People claim Doom beat Terrax too, and it wasn't until we got scans that we realized that no such thing ever happened.
Originally posted by demigawd
Originally people were saying that Sue could deflect telepathy because she did it to Jean Grey when she emerged from the Phoenix cacoon and she took out the FF and the Avengers by herself until Sue took her down (while Jean was knocking out everybody else). The FF supporters either didn't realize (or were intentionally misleading) that it was the same issue where Jean revealed at the end of it that she'd lost her telepathic powers.
Decide for yourself. 😄
Jean didnt do anything telepathic or fight anyone I'm pretty sure thee avengers were out on a mission it was just the f4 in the avengers mansion and when jean awoke she started making everything float and allthe otheres were helpless excpet sue whos force field blocked out the TK not tp.