<<Wait a minute...I just looked it up. Psychoman isn't a telepath. He possesses as device that produces rays that affect someone's emotions and mental state. OF COURSE Sue can block it - it's simply radiation. It's a physical attack that affects your mental state. It's not a telepathic attack. C'mon, now.>.
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i never claimed he was. i thought everyone knew he used tech. however, this 'radiation' still affects minds. you can't definitively state the energy from the machine is different from tp energy. nor can you (i don't think) say that tp is NOT a form of psionic energy itself. she has shown the ability to block forms of psionic energy already (you acknowledged that point already). so, if she is able to block both psychoman energy and tk energy (both forms of psionic energy), why WOULDN'T she be able to block tp?
and i could of course turn this argument around on the x-posse (🙂) and ask you to give me proof showing she CAN'T block it. it seems the ff backers are the only ones being asked to give proof of a claim. let one of the x-gang give some evidence of sue (with her shield up) being mind f'd by someone, and i'll concede that sue DOESN'T end this before it begins.
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(and demi, lest we forget about the larger issue -- at least we agree thor beats ss!) 🙂
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Telepathy isn't a form of electromagnetic radiation - it isn't physical. Are you saying the astral plane can be contained by physical means?
You're appealing for a negative proof. "Prove that aliens do not exist or else therefore they exist." I'm not going to go into the logical fallacy of that.
The FF "posse" having first brought up X4 as showing that "Sue beats Emma." or "Sue is faster than telepathy." because she suckerpunched her, and having used it for a long time in a prior thread - the part of that same example which has Sue being affected by telepathy within a forcefield is going to be disregarded. Are we going to pick and choose bits of things?
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Wait a minute...I just looked it up. Psychoman isn't a telepath. He possesses as device that produces rays that affect someone's emotions and mental state. OF COURSE Sue can block it - it's simply radiation. It's a physical attack that affects your mental state. It's not a telepathic attack. C'mon, now.>.??
i never claimed he was. i thought everyone knew he used tech. however, this 'radiation' still affects minds. you can't definitively state the energy from the machine is different from tp energy. nor can you (i don't think) say that tp is NOT a form of psionic energy itself.
There's a difference between what Psychoman does and what a telepath does, just like there's a difference between what Magneto or Purple Man does and what a telepath does, even though the effect is the same. Magneto controls electrical impulses in the brain, Purple Man emits phermones. The net effect is on the mind, but you can't assume that because the net effect is the same that there's a universal block for the cause. There isn't. An airtight metal box can block Purple Man's phermones. But that doesn't mean a metal box can protect you from a telepathic attack, right?
she has shown the ability to block forms of psionic energy already (you acknowledged that point already). so, if she is able to block both psychoman energy and tk energy (both forms of psionic energy), why WOULDN'T she be able to block tp?
Because psychoman's energy isn't psionic. It affects emotions - it's an entirely different effect. It's closer to Purple Man than Xavier. TK energy is physical. Not all telepaths have telekinesis. Not all telekinetics are telepaths. The energies aren't the same. One is physical, which is within the realm of Sue's powers, the other is mental, which is not.
and i could of course turn this argument around on the x-posse (🙂) and ask you to give me proof showing she CAN'T block it. it seems the ff backers are the only ones being asked to give proof of a claim. let one of the x-gang give some evidence of sue (with her shield up) being mind f'd by someone, and i'll concede that sue DOESN'T end this before it begins.
sure, when you prove that Superman doesn't have the power to teleport. What? Can't do it? Must be because it's impossible to prove someone doesn't have a power - the burden is to prove they DO.
(and demi, lest we forget about the larger issue -- at least we agree thor beats ss!) 🙂
hahaha....I don't think we have to disagree or agree on everything. I never have a bias against an individual, and I have great respect for you, even when we don't agree.
Even though Wyndar and I traded some insults, I'm sure he knows that I have a lot of respect for him too, being the #1 and all too often, the only supporter of the FF. It's a hard job when you're so outnumbered, but he steps up to the plate every time. No fear.
ya, ya, proving a negative . . . blah blah. i had to try! heheh. my favourite is sagan's invisible dragon in the garage.
the only scan that showed support for wyn and me was the scan showing that frank couldn't read/enter her mind until she dropped the shield. i'm still not sure why that part wouldn't be considered relevant -- i'll agree that what happened in sue's head was puzzling, but what preceded it seemed fine and in character to me. she was blocking his psi-bolts (and wouldn't those be considered mental assaults?) and he couldn't get to her mind or read her thoughts until her shield dropped. in a battle between watchers, sue shielded the team while the watchers 'battled each other on multiple planes simultaneously'. does that not indicate she is capable of blocking extra-planar energy? is tp different from THIS energy as well?
no one on your 'team' 🙂 has explained (nor can you in any way that isn't simply speculation, like it is still only considered speculation that sue's powers stem from a psionic link to hyperspace) why tp energy (it IS energy) should be considered fundamentally different from tk energy or any other energy and hence outside her sphere of influence. as regards the astral comment -- sue's fields have been proof against magic/sorcery in the past. can it be effective against astral entities? another interesting question. could strange in astral form get past her shields? beats me. again, i won't conclusively say yes or know, only that i believe it is possible she might block him.
i by no means am conceding this argument, (NO OWNAGE HERE!! 😠 😂) however it is clear it isn't going any further without definitive proof either way. i've never read the emma issue, so i've not brought it up, but if it is definitive as x claims, why is the discussion taking place? perhaps it is NOT as definitive? and if it IS please tell me now -- though i'd have appreciated it more at the START! 🙂 i could as easily label the incident where it seems emma DID get into her head as PIS based on the fact that psi-lord couldn't do so, based on the fact that she has warded many different forms of psionic energy including shielding a multi-planar battle between watchers (though yes, it was never said exactly WHAT kind of energy the watchers were unleashing, so that too is not definitive. still, impressive and telling as regards the versatility/extent of her power.) so x, who is picking and choosing?
in any event, if i find such proof as is apparently required, i guarantee you all shall be the first to know about it. thanks for the interesting discussion.