Originally posted by Robtard
1) There is no conclusive evidence that homosexuality isn't genetic, in fact, new studies do show a brain pattern activity difference between homosexuals and heterosexual, just as there is a difference between a serial murderer and a non murderer. This study is still fairly new, so the jury has to wait. The problem here is actually getting a true homosexual and heterosexual to test repeatedly. Just wait JIA, in time science will pull through yet again.2) Homosexual sex is no more harmful or less harmful than heterosexual sex. It all comes down to education. Proof of this, Africa has the highest cases of sexual transmitted diseases (HIV-1 & HIV-2), yet studies show that homosexual activity is very low as is heterosexual anal intercourse. The majority of the desease tranferring is through penile/vaginal sexual contact, a.ka. heterosexual intercourse.
3) Refer to #1
4) & 5) Not everyone takes the Bible as the end all be all in judgement. But logically thinking, if you're born a true homosexual, then it would be against your nature to 'turn' straight.
No it won't.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That does not make him a Bible believing follower of Christ (i.e., what society refers to as a Christian). There is a night and day difference between a Mormon and a Christian.
So you're saying your faith is stronger and more valid than his... That is a jackasses response and it is petty.
I'm no Mormon, but the last time I checked, Mormons accepted Jesus as their god and savior just as you do.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You didn't provide any statistical references.
You think I am making the Africa reference up? Homosexual sex is outlawed in many parts of Africa and it is punishable by death. Also, more African women are infected with HIV than men. If there were masses of homosexual men in Africa having homosexual anal intercourse, the ratio would favor the men in respects to infection.
Originally posted by Robtard
So you're saying your faith is stronger and more valid than his... That is a jackasses response and it is petty.I'm no Mormon, but the last time I checked, Mormons accepted Jesus as their god and savior just as you do.
The strength of my faith is not the issue. I am talking about "doctrinal" differences with respect to belief systems. Mormons hold some very alarming beliefs as do Catholics relative to the Bible. Their beliefs actually contradict the Bible.
Is Mormonism Christian?
A Comparison of Mormonism and Historic Christianity
Copyright © 1999 Institute for Religious Research. All rights reserved.
Is Mormonism Christian? This may seem like a puzzling question to many Mormons as well as to some Christians. Mormons will note that they include the Bible among the four books which they recognize as Scripture, and that belief in Jesus Christ is central to their faith, as evidenced by their official name, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Furthermore, many Christians have heard the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sing Christian hymns and are favorably impressed with the Mormon commitment to high moral standards and strong families. Doesn’t it follow that Mormonism is Christian?
To fairly and accurately resolve this question we need to carefully compare the basic doctrines of the Mormon religion with the basic doctrines of historic, biblical Christianity. To represent the Mormon position we have relied on the following well-known Mormon doctrinal books, the first three of which are published by the Mormon Church: Gospel Principles (1997), Achieving a Celestial Marriage (1976), and A Study of the Articles of Faith (1979) by Mormon Apostle James E. Talmage, as well as Doctrines of Salvation (3 vols.) by the tenth Mormon President and prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Mormon Doctrine (2nd ed., 1979) by Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie and Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith.
1. IS THERE MORE THAN ONE TRUE GOD?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that there is only one True and Living God and apart from Him there are no other Gods (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10,11; 44:6,8; 45:21,22; 46:9; Mark 12:29-34).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that there are many Gods (Book of Abraham 4:3ff), and that we can become gods and goddesses in the celestial kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 132:19-20; Gospel Principles, p. 245; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 130). It also teaches that those who achieve godhood will have spirit children who will worship and pray to them, just as we worship and pray to God the Father (Gospel Principles, p. 302).
2. WAS GOD ONCE A MAN LIKE US?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that God is Spirit (John 4:24; 1 Timothy 6:15,16), He is not a man (Numbers 23:19; Hosea 11:9; Romans 1:22, 23), and has always (eternally) existed as God — all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere present (Psalm 90:2; 139:7-10; Isaiah 40:28; Luke 1:37).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that God the Father was once a man like us who progressed to become a God and has a body of flesh and bone (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-347; Gospel Principles, p. 9; Articles of Faith, p. 430; Mormon Doctrine, p. 321). Indeed, the Mormon Church teaches that God himself has a father, and a grandfather, ad infinitum (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373; Mormon Doctrine, p. 577).
3. ARE JESUS AND SATAN SPIRIT BROTHERS?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that Jesus is the unique Son of God; he has always existed as God, and is co-eternal and co-equal with the Father (John 1:1, 14; 10:30; 14:9; Colossians 2:9). While never less than God, at the appointed time He laid aside the glory He shared with the Father (John 17:4, 5; Philippians 2:6-11) and was made flesh for our salvation; His incarnation was accomplished through being conceived supernaturally by the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin (Matthew 1:18-23; Luke 1:34-35).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that Jesus Christ is our elder brother who progressed to godhood, having first been procreated as a spirit child by Heavenly Father and a heavenly mother; He was later conceived physically through intercourse between Heavenly Father and the virgin Mary (Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 129; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 546-547; 742). Mormon doctrine affirms that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers (Gospel Principles, pp. 17-18; Mormon Doctrine, p. 192).
4. IS GOD A TRINITY?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost are not separate Gods or separate beings, but are distinct Persons within the one Triune Godhead. Throughout the New Testament the Son and the Holy Spirit, as well as the Father are separately identified as and act as God (Son: Mark 2:5-12; John 20:28; Philippians 2:10,11; Holy Spirit: Acts 5:3,4; 2 Corinthians 3:17,18; 13:14); yet at the same time the Bible teaches that these three are only one God (see point 1).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate Gods (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 576-577), and that the Son and Holy Ghost are the literal offspring of Heavenly Father and a celestial wife (Joseph Fielding McConkie, Encyclopedia of Mormonism, vol. 2, p. 649).
5. WAS THE SIN OF ADAM AND EVE A GREAT EVIL OR A GREAT BLESSING?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the disobedience of our first parents Adam and Eve was a great evil. Through their fall sin entered the world, bringing all human beings under condemnation and death. Thus we are born with a sinful nature, and will be judged for the sins we commit as individuals. (Ezekiel 18:1-20; Romans 5:12-21).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that Adam’s sin was "a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all of us" (Gospel Principles, p. 33; Book of Mormon — 2 Nephi 2:25; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 114-115).
6. CAN WE MAKE OURSELVES WORTHY BEFORE GOD?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that apart from the saving work of Jesus Christ on the cross we are spiritually "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1,5) and are powerless to save ourselves. By grace alone, apart from self-righteous works, God forgives our sins and makes us worthy to live in His presence (Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5-6). Our part is only to cling to Christ in heartfelt faith. (However, it is certainly true that without the evidence of changed conduct, a person’s testimony of faith in Christ must be questioned; salvation by grace alone through faith, does not mean we can live as we please — Romans 6:1-4).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that eternal life in the presence of God (which it terms "exaltation in the celestial kingdom"😉 must be earned through obedience to all the commands of the Mormon Church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals. Works are a requirement for salvation (entrance into the "celestial kingdom"😉 — Gospel Principles, p. 303-304; Pearl of Great Price — Third Article of Faith; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 339, 671; Book of Mormon — 2 Nephi 25:23).
7. DOES CHRIST'S ATONING DEATH BENEFIT THOSE WHO REJECT HIM?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the purpose of the atoning work of Christ on the cross was to provide the complete solution for humankind’s sin problem. However, those who reject God’s grace in this life will have no part in this salvation but are under the judgment of God for eternity (John 3:36; Hebrews 9:27; 1 John 5:11-12).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that the purpose of the atonement was to bring resurrection and immortality to all people, regardless of whether they receive Christ by faith. Christ’s atonement is only a partial basis for worthiness and eternal life, which also requires obedience to all the commands of the Mormon church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals (Gospel Principles, pp. 74-75; Mormon Doctrine, p. 669).
8. IS THE BIBLE THE UNIQUE AND FINAL WORD OF GOD?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the Bible is the unique, final and infallible Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16; Hebrews 1:1,2; 2 Peter 1:21) and that it will stand forever (1 Peter 1:23-25). God’s providential preservation of the text of the Bible was marvelously illustrated in the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that the Bible has been corrupted, is missing many "plain and precious parts" and does not contain the fullness of the Gospel (Book of Mormon — 1 Nephi 13:26-29; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, pp. 190-191).
9. DID THE EARLY CHURCH FALL INTO TOTAL APOSTASY?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the true Church was divinely established by Jesus and could never and will never disappear from the earth (Matthew 16:18; John 15:16; 17:11). Christians acknowledge that there have been times of corruption and apostasy within the Church, but believe there has always been a remnant that held fast to the biblical essentials.
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that there was a great and total apostasy of the Church as established by Jesus Christ; this state of apostasy "still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" of the Mormon Church (Gospel Principles, pp. 105-106; Mormon Doctrine, p. 44).
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Conclusion: The above points in italics constitute the common gospel believed by all orthodox Christians through the ages regardless of denominational labels. On the other hand, some new religions such as Mormonism claim to be Christian, but accept as Scripture writings outside of the Bible, teach doctrines that contradict the Bible, and hold to beliefs completely foreign to the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
Mormons share with orthodox Christians some important moral precepts from the Bible. However, the above points are examples of the many fundamental and irreconcilable differences between historic, biblical Christianity and Mormonism. While these differences do not keep us from being friendly with Mormons, we cannot consider them brothers and sisters in Christ. The Bible specifically warns of false prophets who will teach "another gospel" centered around "another Jesus," and witnessed to by "another spirit" (2 Corinthians 11:4,13-15; Galatians 1:6-9). Based on the evidence presented above, we believe Mormonism represents just such a counterfeit gospel.
It has been pointed out that if one claimed to be a Mormon but denied all the basic tenets of Mormonism — that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, that the Book of Mormon is true and divinely inspired, that god was once a man who progressed to godhood through keeping the laws and ordinances of the Mormon Church, and that the Mormon Church was divinely established — the Mormon Church would reject such a person’s claim to being a Latter-day Saint. One cannot fairly call oneself a Mormon if one does not believe the fundamental doctrines taught by the Mormon Church. By the same token, if the Mormon Church does not hold to even the basic biblical truths believed by the greater Christian community down through the ages, how can Christians reasonably be expected to accept Mormonism as authentic Christianity?
If the Mormon Church believes it is the only true Christian Church, it should not attempt to publicly present itself as a part of a broader Christian community. Instead it should tell the world openly that those who claim to be orthodox Christians are not really Christians at all, and that the Mormon Church is the only true Christian Church. This in fact is what it teaches privately, but not publicly.
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Statements of 5 Christian Denominations on Mormonism
Christian churches teach belief in God as an eternal, self-existent, immortal being, unfettered by corporeal limitations and unchanging in both character and nature. In recent years, several Christian denominations have made studies of Mormon teaching and come to the conclusion that there are irreconcilable differences between LDS doctrine and Christian beliefs based on the Bible.
Originally posted by Robtard
You think I am making the Africa reference up? Homosexual sex is outlawed in many parts of Africa and it is punishable by death. Also, more African women are infected with HIV than men. If there were masses of homosexual men in Africa having homosexual anal intercourse, the ratio would favor the men in respects to infection.
I did not say that you were making anything up did I? I said (just as I said in a previous post) that you have not provided any statistical references (something that can be validated and external to you as the source).
Originally posted by Regret
These "seducing spirits" are responsible for their actions, the individual is totally responsible for his actions. Just because someone says jump, the jumper is the only one to effect his act of jumping.I believe the Bible I do not believe [b]your
flawed interpretation of the Bible.Edit: Ahh, hell. I'll used your coloring crap with this one 😉 [/B]
Luke 13:10-12
10 Now He [Jesus Christ] was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. 11 And behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way raise herself up. 12 But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, “Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.”
This woman was bent over and could not raise herself up for nearly 20 years because of a "spirit of infirmity." This is just one example of someone's life being adversely "influenced" by a demonic spirit.
Ephesians 6:11-13
11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places .
We are in a "spiritual" contest as it were with demonic spirits just as I averred. These demons try almost incessantly to get us to sin. Not only do we have a sinful flesh to deal with and keep in line, but we also have to enforce our victory of demonic spirits daily as well. Demons can and do influence people to do wrong. I did not say that they "make" us do anything. I said they influence us to do wrong. But we do not have to submit or succumb to their bad influence. Have you ever heard of the term, "bad influence?" The only way that a demon can "make" someone do something is if that person is possessed by the demon. Furthermore, I did not disclaim a person's responsibility for their actions. They (or we) are ultimately responsible for our choices, decisions, and actions. God is not going to hold a demon accountable for our actions per se. We will each stand before God and give an account for what we do. Actually believers will stand before the judgment seat of Christ and unbelievers will stand before God the Father.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I did not say that you were making anything up did I? I said (just as I said in a previous post) that you have not provided any statistical references (something that can be validated and external to you as the source).
If I didn't make it up, where do you think I got the info from? Divine inspiration? Google HIV/Aids in Africa, you will see hundreds of links. They will confirm these few simple facts.
1) HIV/Aids is worst in Africa than in any other country,nation or continent... Asia is next though for an HIV explosion according to recent statistics.
2) More women than men in Africa have HIV/AIDS
3) HIV in Africa is spread mainly through heterosexual intercourse (see #2)
Here, I did a few quick searches for you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/background_briefings/aids/342257.stm
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/PUBLICATIONS/frtp/youngaawomen.htm
http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/bandopubs/bandocon5/Adler.html
Originally posted by Robtard
If I didn't make it up, where do you think I got the info from? Divine inspiration? Google HIV/Aids in Africa, you will see hundreds of links. They will confirm these few simple facts.1) HIV/Aids is worst in Africa than in any other country,nation or continent... Asia is next though for an HIV explosion according to recent statistics.
2) More women than men in Africa have HIV/AIDS
3) HIV in Africa is spread mainly through heterosexual intercourse (see #2)
Here, I did a few quick searches for you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/background_briefings/aids/342257.stm
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/PUBLICATIONS/frtp/youngaawomen.htm
http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/bandopubs/bandocon5/Adler.html
Now that wasn't so hard was it. Just try substantiating what you state when asked (but do it the first time). Now, one of those links reveal that hiv is mostly spread by homosexuals in the U.S.
History and size of HIV/ADS - a global perspective: Prof Michael Adler
Professor Michael Adler MD FRCP FFPHM Professor of GU Medicine/STDs, University College Medical School, London
AIDS was first recognised, even though not called this, in 1981, when clusters of cases of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia and Kaposi's sarcoma were reported in the USA. HIV was discovered in 1983 at the same time as the first cases of this infection were seen in Europe.
In 1984, a new antibody test was developed that allowed for more detailed epidemiological descriptions of the epidemic.
Transmission of the virus
Globally, approximately 80% of all HIV infection is transmitted through sexual intercourse, vaginal intercourse being the commonest way that the virus is spread. Other common routes of transmission are from mother to child in the womb, at birth and through breast milk, through contaminated blood, injecting drug use and sharing of needles and equipment.
Size of the problem
The World Health Organisation estimated that, at the end of 1997, there were 30.6 million adults and children living with HIV/AIDS. The majority of these are in Sub-Saharan Africa (20.8 million) and South and South-East Asia (6.8 million). The WHO also estimated that, during 1997, 5.8 million new HIV infections occurred - approximately 16,000 per day - and that deaths due to HIV and AIDS were approximately 2.3 million.
The epidemiology varies considerably between the developed and developing world, but also within the developed world. So in Sub-Saharan Africa and South and South-East Asia, for example, the main mode of transmission is through heterosexual intercourse, whereas in the USA and UK it is through homosexual intercourse.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveYou're asking for references when the only thing you ever cite is the Bible and websites like www.converttheheathens.com.
I did not say that you were making anything up did I? I said (just as I said in a previous post) that you have not provided any statistical references (something that can be validated and external to you as the source).
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're asking for references when the only thing you ever cite is the Bible and websites like www.converttheheathens.com.
Ahhh, grasshopper, but the Bible is an external source other than me. I say things then I substantiate them by a source other than me. That is all I wanted Robtard to do. It took a little coaxing but then he came around.
It has to be a reputable source though. Don't say something and then go and get your dog or cat to meow and bark respectively in agreement with what you just wrote. That doesn't count.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive"Citing" the Bible i.e. a work of fiction generally doesn't fly out there in the big bad world, Crazy Horse.
Ahhh, grasshopper, but the Bible is an external source other than me. I say things then I substantiate them by a source other than me. That is all I wanted Robtard to do. It took a little coaxing but then he came around.It has to be a reputable source though. Don't say something and then go and get your dog or cat to meow and bark respectively in agreement of what you just wrote. That doesn't count.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Now that wasn't so hard was it. Just try substantiating what you state when asked (but do it the first time). Now, one of those links reveal that hiv is mostly spread by homosexuals in the U.S.
Yet you dodge the main fact Capt'N Dodgy, HIV on a global scale is spread through heterosexual intercourse not through homosexual intercourse, therefore turning your "fact" that homosexual sex is dangerous to a smoldering pile of feces.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Ahhh, grasshopper, but the Bible is an external source other than me. I say things then I substantiate them by a source other than me. That is all I wanted Robtard to do. It took a little coaxing but then he came around.It has to be a reputable source though. Don't say something and then go and get your dog or cat to meow and bark respectively in agreement with what you just wrote. That doesn't count.
I have no problem citing sources, I just figured you were informed about the HIV epidemic in Africa as it is common knowledge for anyone with a grade school education.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The strength of my faith is not the issue. I am talking about "doctrinal" differences with respect to belief systems. Mormons hold some very alarming beliefs as do Catholics relative to the Bible. Their beliefs actually contradict the Bible.
Our beliefs do not contradict the Bible, they contradict your interpretation of the Bible.
Your cut and paste attack, is filled with holes.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
1. IS THERE MORE THAN ONE TRUE GOD?The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that there is only one True and Living God and apart from Him there are no other Gods (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10,11; 44:6,8; 45:21,22; 46:9; Mark 12:29-34).
Deuteronomy 6:4
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one Lord:
Does not necessitate only one God, it merely necessitates that the Lord God is one Lord. This could be interpreted as anti-Trinitarian in that it states that the Lord God is not three Lords.
Isaiah 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Mormons believe that Christ and the Father speak throughout the Old Testament, and so some references are Christ speaking, while others are the Father speaking. This is Christ speaking. Christ is the only child of God that was a God upon his forming. There were no others that were God upon being formed, before or after Christ.
Isaiah 45 21-22, 46:9
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Once again, Christ speaking, and there is no God beside him among God the Father's children, none like Christ.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
2. WAS GOD ONCE A MAN LIKE US?
Trinitarian doctrine teaches that God did change, he became a man, Christ. Given this there is no room to attack based on an unchanging God, the attack invalidates Trinitarian doctrine. The Bible does not assert conclusively as to the origin of God, any concepts as to this are not unBiblical, they are simple speculation from a Bible only perspective.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
3. ARE JESUS AND SATAN SPIRIT BROTHERS?
This attack only holds if Trinitarian doctrine is based on conclusive Biblical reference. The attack is used because of the assumption of such. The assumption is invalid, the Bible is inconclusive as to Trinitarian doctrine. Also, Trinitarian doctrine was not adopted as official doctrine until the Council at Nicaea, 3 centuries after Christ's death.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
4. IS GOD A TRINITY?
Once again no conclusive Biblical proof. And such Doctrine was not adopted as doctrine until 3 centuries after Christ's death. The idea that the early Church believed such is only assumption based on centuries of indoctrination into Trinitarian belief begun by the Catholics you refered to here:
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Mormons hold some very alarming beliefs as do Catholics relative to the Bible.
Sorry, but here you "hold some very alarming beliefs as do Catholics relative to the Bible."
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
5. WAS THE SIN OF ADAM AND EVE A GREAT EVIL OR A GREAT BLESSING?
We view it as a transgression, since sin requires understanding, and prior to partaking of the fruit, Adam and Eve did not have an understanding. We do believe that had they not partaken, they never would have reproduced, and thus man would never have come into being. The Bible itself does not state conclusively on this either.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
6. CAN WE MAKE OURSELVES WORTHY BEFORE GOD?
Man is only saved by grace through faith. The problem is that for faith to truly be present works must be present:
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Also, the Bible states that after being saved we are still judges at the Judgement Seat, a point where works are important:
Rom. 14: 10
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.2 Cor. 5: 10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
But I understand that those attacking with this prefer to ignore the scriptures that refute their claims.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
7. DOES CHRIST'S ATONING DEATH BENEFIT THOSE WHO REJECT HIM?
All are resurrected due to the Atonement. The Atonement allows men to repent. All receive some portion of the atonement. Mormons believe that to reject Christ requires an absolute knowledge of Christ, it is rather difficult for such to occur.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
8. IS THE BIBLE THE UNIQUE AND FINAL WORD OF GOD?
The Bible is not infallible, such belief is an error in interpretation. If it were, it would be impossible to interpret or translate it inaccurately, this is not the case. Also, refer to my thread "2 Timothy 3:16" for an exposition of this interpretation.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
9. DID THE EARLY CHURCH FALL INTO TOTAL APOSTASY?
So, are you a Catholic? I am sorry JIA, but this one is blatantly invalid by virtue of the oldest existing Christian system being the Catholic Church. Also, what of the apostasy spoken of here:
2 Thessalonians 2:2-3
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
There must be a falling away before the day of Christ is at hand. The apostasy occurred, and if it hasn't the day of Christ will never come.
Sorry JIA, but your attacks are based in interpretations of the Bible, not in the Bible.