Originally posted by Robtard
No shit, in the case of this thread, God gives you the choice between choosing to be Heterosexual or Homosexual, but if you don't choose the one God wants you go to hell, doesn't sound very free to me.That's like going to Subway and the person behind the counter telling you "You can choose any sandwich you like, but they're all poisoned except the turkey on rye."
Yes god does give you that choice.And if you pick to be gay you are mosty likly to go to hell if you pratise it.It is not fair but you have a choice.jm 😎
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Yes god does give you that choice.And if you pick to be gay you are mosty likly to go to hell if you pratise it.It is not fair but you have a choice.jm 😎
The problem with that sentence is you are accepting homosexuality is a choice.
And what is the point of giving a person of choice if using it is bad? I mean Christians will go "But it is still choice" - and? It seems sadistic really.
"God gave us free will. He wants us to use it. Use to to follow him completely. Because if you use it any other way, well, you're buggered. It's not fair, but it's still choice, so you see God isn't violating the free will clause."
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Yes god does give you that choice.And if you pick to be gay you are mosty likly to go to hell if you pratise it.It is not fair but you have a choice.jm 😎
You have no idea what you are talking about....you know nothing about sexual orientation, you know very little about your own religion, and you seem to be even less certain about your God calling him "unfair"....
Just stop talking...
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
You too have no proof what so ever or know what you are talking about.If you give me proof from a book or from someone that is not proof at all.
I will not stop talking you should go over your little proof first and facts before saying that it is not a choice and that it just happens.jm
Do you want a full argument ? Because you are talking to a full blown Bisexual right here, honey:
I know it is not a choice, because I happen to be bisexual and i KNOW i did not choose it ....ever....
1) You cannot choose to love someone you do not love...it doesn't work. Try telling me it does.
2) I have been sexually attracted to both men and women even BEFORE I started having sex.
3) You cannot CHOOSE who you are attracted to...you can only choose who you have sex....
A gay man can have sex with a woman and still be gay...if he did not enjoy the sex, then he is not straight no matter how many times he has sex with women...
There a gay men who get married and have kids, and STILL do not like having sex with women even when they have been doing it for YEARS..look at Governor McGrievey, ask the gay men online at chatrooms who have wives why they are looking for men...
BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO LIKE MEN ? Explain how....explain the logic behind that.
When did you choose to like men DarksideJedi ? When ? When did you decide that you will be attracted to men ? Did you actually choose it, or did it happen on its own ?
Now I have had many girlfreinds...and enjoyed it very much. I have had fewer boyfreinds, but I somehow like guys better....i dont know why...i just do.
I am way more attracted to men than women, and I am telling you sincerely, this is how it is. I do not know why...i did not choose this attraction....ACTUALLY...quite the contrary..
If it were up to ME...i would like women better...if I could CHOOSE to like women more, you don't think i WOULD ????
You don't think I know how much EASIER it would be for me If I could choose to like women MORE, and not have to bother with men anymore, and not have to be insulted or made fun of for my fkn sexual orientation ?
You don't think I am already under pressure form my family over the fact that im fkn bisexual, over the fact that i LOVE GUYS ? You don't think its hard already ? You dont think this hurts me, that it wouldn't be so much easier to just be straight ?
It IS easier to be straight...you don't think i would just CHOOSE a heterosexual mindset if i could ? I CANNOT DO THAT
No matter WHAT I DO, even if i choose to be CELEBATE, i will always LIKE MEN...physically and romantically....that will not change.
There are tons of gay young men who get kicked out of thier homes because they are gay, who get gaybashed, socially tormented, and EVEN COMMIT SUICIDE because of the social stigma that comes from people with bullshit like your own.....
Idiot..you don't think they would just CHOOSE to be straight ,and avoid all of this drama, IF THEY COULD ?????
Homosexuality is not defined by who you have sex with...it is defined by who you are SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO....
THERE ARE GAY VIRGINS....how did they CHOOSE to be gay ?
Can you answer me ANY OF THAT? Can you give me an INTELLIGENT ANSWER ????? Or are you going to pull a bullshitter like JesusisAlive or Soleran do, and go "you are wrong..its a choice..the bible says its wrong"
If you are going to give me an intelligent, thought out, and sincere response, then I would appreciate it...if you are going to give me a whob-sock **** of an answer, then dont waste my time...and stop talking about shit you know nothing about.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
The problem with that sentence is you are accepting homosexuality is a choice.And what is the point of giving a person of choice if using it is bad? I mean Christians will go "But it is still choice" - and? It seems sadistic really.
"God gave us free will. He wants us to use it. Use to to follow him completely. Because if you use it any other way, well, you're buggered. It's not fair, but it's still choice, so you see God isn't violating the free will clause."
It is a choice.
Lies about Homosexuality
LIE #1: Some people are born homosexual.
FACT: There is no conclusive scientific evidence for any genetic trait causing homosexuality, bisexuality, or transgendered desires. Recent news reports have focused on this lack of research (Columbus Dispatch, Feb. 14, 1999;New York Times, April 23, 1999). Yet this is the underlying assumption of many recent laws about sexual orientation. Homosexuals are not a bona fide minority group.
LIE #2: Homosexual activity is harmless, so no one should criticize it.
FACT: The consequences of homosexual behavior are devastating, and risky homosexual acts continue even when community acceptance increases. In San Francisco, the rate of sexually transmitted diseases among homosexuals remains very high, despite a tolerant climate. Substance abuse and suicide attempts are much higher among homosexuals. For in-depth information citing numerous studies, read Straight or Narrow? Clarity and Compassion in the Homosexual Debate by Thomas Schmidt (1995) and Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth by Jeffrey Satinover, M.D. (1996).
LIE #3: No one chooses to be homosexual, so it must be inborn.
FACT: While homosexual desire may feel very natural to some people, this does not mean it is inborn, positive or unchangeable. There is overwhelming evidence that homosexual desire arises from traumatic childhood experiences, such as sexual abuse or a troubled family environment. These desires can be overcome through counseling. And—people always choose sexual behavior, even if the feelings aren’t chosen, unhealthy desires don’t have to be acted upon.
LIE #4: A homosexual can never change to become a heterosexual.
FACT: Thousands of people have overcome homosexual desire. A network of ex-homosexual organizations called Exodus (206-784-7799) has several hundred affiliates around the world. Exodus helps strugglers through Christian support groups, prayer, and biblical teaching. Some psychologists can help homosexuals overcome homosexual desire through individual counseling as well. Many ex-homosexuals go on to marry and have children.
LIE #5: The Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality. Therefore, a person can be a proud homosexual and a Christian, too.
FACT: Scripture is very clear about homosexuality. There are dire warnings in the Bible about homosexual practices, both for individuals and for communities. Read Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:10, 2 Peter 2: 6-10, and Jude 6-7. Some say that because Jesus did not explicitly mention homosexuality, it must be permitted. But He never mentioned rape or incest either—are we to believe these are acceptable? And Jesus was God, who had already made His will known in the Old Testament. Jesus affirmed in Matthew 19 and Mark 10 that marriage is ordained for one man and one woman. How can those who call themselves Christians deliberately twist the word of God?
Homosexuality is sin, but it is changeable. There is hope for all of us sinners, as expressed so beautifully in 2 Corinthians 5:17: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/lies_about_homosexuality.htm
That does not sound like proof at all.It is too long and a bunch of stuff you heard from god knows who.But it is not proof.Say what you want.Gays geting kicked out is wrong but it is a choice.They don't have to pratise it at all.
YOu are not born gay jus thinking of tht makes me laugh.I have no idea who been telling you all these lies but you believe it and that is the scary part about it.JM
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is a choice.[B]Lies about Homosexuality
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"Lies"
Where did you capy and paste that from you heathen?
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
YOu are not born gay jus thinking of tht makes me laugh.I have no idea who been telling you all these lies but you believe it and that is the scary part about it.JM
You apparently don't think much then do you.
Originally posted by Alliance
"Lies"Where did you capy and paste that from you heathen?
Well is it the truth want you saying?So far you just put whatever you hear.Do you believe everything someone tells you or reads?What happens if they made up the facts or just wrote it to get attention?Think before you say anything you may regret.jm
Originally posted by Robtard
No shit, in the case of this thread, God gives you the choice between choosing to be Heterosexual or Homosexual, but if you don't choose the one God wants you go to hell, doesn't sound very free to me.That's like going to Subway and the person behind the counter telling you "You can choose any sandwich you like, but they're all poisoned except the turkey on rye."
Rob. you have a free will about taking cyanide right? What happens if you decide to use your free will and take cyanide? Do you think perhaps that there would be some adverse consequences? But wait a minute...I thought you wanted to exercise your free will? If your only alternatives are not taking cyanide and taking cyanide and you choose the later, what do you think is going to happen to you? It is the same in reference to God. You can choose to serve Him or you can choose to reject Him (or rather His Son Jesus). But if you choose the latter (just like in the cyanide example) yes, you are going to experience the fruit of your decision. There...is...no...difference. Don't blame God for your foolishness if you opt to take cyanide--ahem, I mean choose to reject Jesus (same thing right?)
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
And I answeared them.I think alot.You dont if you think that everything you hear or read is true.And yet no proof.Maybe you should do more reseach before posting so to make sence of lies or things you may think is right but does not make any sence.jm
Ha. Its obvious that evrything that you think or read is not true.
But some of us have the mental capacity to think through things and iron out what is pure propoganda from truth.
Research is my life. Thats my business. Your little assault is just more evidence about how misinformed you are about homosexuality.