On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Started by Draco69274 pages

Originally posted by Alliance
Lets rephrase this to Europe is doiing fine. I bet the EU will pass legislation on it within 10 years.

Homosexuality is a major business issue. something like 75% of the Fortune 500 have company policies that offer the same benefits to the partners of homosexual companies as heterosexual companies.

These companies will leaves states that have bans on civil unions (like Wisconsin is trying to pass). Also, ststes in the US that have passes bans on gay marriage are poor, uneducated, and not financially important states. There is even evidence that many businesses are leaving these states.

AS long as we keep moving forward (even though its way to slow). It hurts me as a citizen of the US to see rights denied to other citizens. Government is very important to me. It feels as if I've been stabbed in the back. I can't imagine how homosexuals feel. (well, I know, but i have never felt their pain.)

Pretty much. Marx was right in some ways. Captialism and economic globalization is the bane of religion.

And given the non-sexual defintion...everybody is bisexual, to one extent or antoher.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is still a choice: a choice to feel that way or not and a choice to practice it or not practice it.

You can't "choose" to feel or sexually desire someone. If that were true, people could change their emotions to happieness from sadness on the fly. Depression wouldn't exist. Social anxiety wouldn't exist. If one could just alter their emotions, sexual desires or feelings by conscious choice than our culture and society would radically be different.

Sexual desire is like hunger. We can't choose to be NOT hungry can we?

You DO have a choice whether or not to act on one's desires.

But choosing between eating and starvation isn't really a choice.

Originally posted by Alliance
And given the non-sexual defintion...everybody is bisexual, to one extent or antoher.

True. If homosexuality is a "choice" than everyone is by that definition a bisexual by default as they can "choose" to be a homosexual or heterosexual when they want.

Originally posted by Draco69
You can't "choose" to feel or sexually desire someone. If that were true, people could change their emotions to happieness from sadness on the fly. Depression wouldn't exist. Social anxiety wouldn't exist. If one could just alter their emotions, sexual desires or feelings by conscious choice than our culture and society would radically be different.

Sexual desire is like hunger. We can't choose to be NOT hungry can we?

You DO have a choice whether or not to act on one's desires.

Nonsense. You can resolve (make up in your mind) to squelch deviant/sinful feelings if you truly want to. People do it every day.

Yes. I can imagine that you're an expert at reinforcing your religous deviance.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Nonsense. You can resolve (make up in your mind) to squelch deviant/sinful feelings if you truly want to. People do it every day.

Yes. That's called suppression. You STILL didn't choose to have the feelings in the first place.

I feel sad at a funeral. I suppress my sadness when I have to go to my sister's birthday party.

I'm hungry because I didn't have lunch. I suppress my hunger because I have a board meeting.

I have to urinate because I drank alot of Cola. I suppress my bladder because I'm stuck on a bus.

Feelings aren't chosen. Chosing to ignore them or to suppress them is. Which everyone does everyday.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is a choice.

[B]Lies about Homosexuality

LIE #1: Some people are born homosexual.

FACT: There is no conclusive scientific evidence for any genetic trait causing homosexuality, bisexuality, or transgendered desires. Recent news reports have focused on this lack of research (Columbus Dispatch, Feb. 14, 1999;New York Times, April 23, 1999). Yet this is the underlying assumption of many recent laws about sexual orientation. Homosexuals are not a bona fide minority group.

LIE #2: Homosexual activity is harmless, so no one should criticize it.

FACT: The consequences of homosexual behavior are devastating, and risky homosexual acts continue even when community acceptance increases. In San Francisco, the rate of sexually transmitted diseases among homosexuals remains very high, despite a tolerant climate. Substance abuse and suicide attempts are much higher among homosexuals. For in-depth information citing numerous studies, read Straight or Narrow? Clarity and Compassion in the Homosexual Debate by Thomas Schmidt (1995) and Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth by Jeffrey Satinover, M.D. (1996).

LIE #3: No one chooses to be homosexual, so it must be inborn.

FACT: While homosexual desire may feel very natural to some people, this does not mean it is inborn, positive or unchangeable. There is overwhelming evidence that homosexual desire arises from traumatic childhood experiences, such as sexual abuse or a troubled family environment. These desires can be overcome through counseling. And—people always choose sexual behavior, even if the feelings aren’t chosen, unhealthy desires don’t have to be acted upon.

LIE #4: A homosexual can never change to become a heterosexual.

FACT: Thousands of people have overcome homosexual desire. A network of ex-homosexual organizations called Exodus (206-784-7799) has several hundred affiliates around the world. Exodus helps strugglers through Christian support groups, prayer, and biblical teaching. Some psychologists can help homosexuals overcome homosexual desire through individual counseling as well. Many ex-homosexuals go on to marry and have children.

LIE #5: The Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality. Therefore, a person can be a proud homosexual and a Christian, too.

FACT: Scripture is very clear about homosexuality. There are dire warnings in the Bible about homosexual practices, both for individuals and for communities. Read Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:10, 2 Peter 2: 6-10, and Jude 6-7. Some say that because Jesus did not explicitly mention homosexuality, it must be permitted. But He never mentioned rape or incest either—are we to believe these are acceptable? And Jesus was God, who had already made His will known in the Old Testament. Jesus affirmed in Matthew 19 and Mark 10 that marriage is ordained for one man and one woman. How can those who call themselves Christians deliberately twist the word of God?

Homosexuality is sin, but it is changeable. There is hope for all of us sinners, as expressed so beautifully in 2 Corinthians 5:17: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/lies_about_homosexuality.htm [/B]

LOL, I slapped these down like a red headed step child and yet you retort with them yet again... Barnum & Baily move JIA.

Originally posted by Robtard
LOL, I slapped these down like a red headed step child and yet you retort with them yet again... Barnum & Baily move JIA.

No you did not.

Yes. He did. Don't you remember? Or were you high on the Holy Spirit again?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is still a choice: a choice to feel that way or not and a choice to practice it or not practice it.

A choice to practice, sure a gay man can choose to abstain from sex, it doesn't make him less gay though. But a choice in who you love and who you are attracted too? Let me ask you this, you made the conscience choice in being attracted to women, you were equally attracted to men and women and you chose women by your own will? Have you ever fallen in love with a woman? If so, did you have a choice in it?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No you did not.

Um yea, last time I checked, you failed to replay to this regarding your #2 "fact" as you call them...

Originally posted by Robtard
Yet you dodge the main fact Capt'N Dodgy, HIV on a global scale is spread through heterosexual intercourse not through homosexual intercourse, therefore turning your "fact" that homosexual sex is dangerous to a smoldering pile of feces.

I await your reply...

I can stand the whole "homosexuality is a choice/sin/evil" whatever. But it really ticks me off when people say AIDS is punishment sent down by God or only gays will get AIDS or AIDS is largely spread by homosexuals.

This isn't ignorance. It's dangerous thinking. It's cruel thinking. It's just evil to even consider it. Makes me want to kidnap the people who say this crap and send their ass to Africa.

It's an insult to the millions of people who die everyday because of the HIV virus. It's thinking like this that's causing HIV to spread throughout Africa.

This thread hurts.

Originally posted by FeceMan
This thread hurts.

Facts tend to hurt when they crush ones biased views...

(Not necessarily directed at anyone)

Originally posted by Robtard
Facts tend to hurt when they crush ones biased views...

(Not necessarily directed at anyone)


Not if those being crushed don't believe the facts.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Not if those being crushed don't believe the facts.

Deep down inside they know when a fact is a fact, even if they refuse to admit it.

its immoral and just wrong its soposto be man and woman not same sex sicko