On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Religion pre-dating 1000 A.D. and homosexuality will never be compatible with each other for the sole reason that homosexuality in a limited perspective flies in the face of procreation.

Babies back then died left and right and the amount of newborns that made it to adulthood were scarce. So religion dictates to make as many babies as possible or the population will die out. And it was particularly valid at some points in history.

The only "real" religion that I can think of that is "compatible" with homosexuality is Buddhism.

Anyhoo, let people believe what they want to beleive in. Public opinion of homosexuality is rapidly swaying in favor of view homosexuality as a normal sexual orientation. I predict, barring any crisises, that homosexuality will largely be approved by the world by 2100.

I will let you finish this off jesusisAlive I got to go to bed and beside it is a waste debating if no one has real facts anyway and have no proof.Goodnight.jm

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
It is not a choice?We have our feelings we know how we love!It is a choice.JM

I looked up intelligent in the dictionary and saw your picture right next to the word.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I will let you finish this off jesusisAlive I got to go to bed and beside it is a waste debating if no one has real facts anyway and have no proof.Goodnight.jm

Good night angel.

It is like you to think I am insulting you.You live your life beliveing in what ever and I do for me.The only person who was misform is you.One day you will relise this.
But for now keep believing in what you believe in you will find out in time how silly your point of views is.jm

Originally posted by Draco69
Religion pre-dating 1000 A.D. and homosexuality will never be compatible with each other for the sole reason that homosexuality in a limited perspective flies in the face of procreation.

Babies back then died left and right and the amount of newborns that made it to adulthood were scarce. So religion dictates to make as many babies as possible or the population will die out. And it was particularly valid at some points in history.

The only "real" religion that I can think of that is "compatible" with homosexuality is Buddhism.

Anyhoo, let people believe what they want to beleive in. Public opinion of homosexuality is rapidly swaying in favor of view homosexuality as a normal sexual orientation. I predict, barring any crisises, that homosexuality will largely be approved by the world by 2100.

That is one of the many things that I love about the Bible (the Word of the living God) it is not at the mercy of public opinion. It is an unchanging, absolute standard to live by. Glory to God in the highest.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
It is not a choice?We have our feelings we know how we love!It is a choice.JM

💃

Originally posted by crazy
Uh oh, feceman and JIA arguing, should be interesting.

No we are not.

Originally posted by Draco69
I predict, barring any crisises, that homosexuality will largely be approved by the world by 2100.

😆 Try 2050. Once Generation X is out.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is one of the many things that I love about the Bible (the Word of the living God) it is not at the mercy of public opinion. It is an unchanging, absolute standard to live by. Glory to God in the highest.

😆 Crushed by the Glory of Time. Yes...the Bible is very simpe for your simple mind to comprehend isnt it. You don't even need to think. How great for you.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
It is like you to think I am insulting you.You live your life beliveing in what ever and I do for me.The only person who was misform is you.One day you will relise this.
But for now keep believing in what you believe in you will find out in time how silly your point of views is.jm

I believe you're the misinformed one incapable of presenting facts. One day you will realise that you are a heteful and spiteful being who simply rants because you have NO facts to back up your argument.

You're children will ask you why you hate their gay friend, just like you would have hated other races had you been born two or three generations prior in my nation.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
It is like you to think I am insulting you.You live your life beliveing in what ever and I do for me.The only person who was misform is you.One day you will relise this.
But for now keep believing in what you believe in you will find out in time how silly your point of views is.jm

I kinda agree. As said before, public opinion of homosexuality is rapidly giving homosexuality a positive or "whatever" stance rather than a negative or condemning one.

It largely has to do with the fact the fundamentalist Christians tend to have racism, anti-Semetic and intolerance for anything different from them.

People don't like intolerance.

Fundamentalists are actually kicking themselves in the nuts by being so intolerant, condemning and outright mean. If they were compassionate and gung-ho about it than nobody would care.

Many people see homosexuality and fundamentalists at war with each other but really fundamentalists are helping homosexuals being recognized as human beings.

Really, when you have a fundamentalist like Fred Phelps spitting on the graves of US. soldiers nobody's gonna take their side on any issue....

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No we are not.

Ok, disagreeing.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is one of the many things that I love about the Bible (the Word of the living God) it is not at the mercy of public opinion. It is an unchanging, absolute standard to live by. Glory to God in the highest.

You need worshippers for Christianity to be active. If worshippers continue to deviate from what some would call Christian principles than the religion either degenerates or changes.

Seriously, when the Pope says that homosexuality is not a choice and it's just something you have to abstain from than you can see how much public opinion has an affect on religion.

Originally posted by crazy
Ok, disagreeing.

I concur.

Originally posted by Draco69
It largely has to do with the fact the fundamentalist Christians tend to have racism, anti-Semetic and intolerance for anything different from them.

People don't like intolerance.

Its alomst rediculous how much religion screws up civil rights. Every new issue is deja vu all over again.

That why America is becoming less and less religious. In many nations in Europe, the percetnage of people that describe religion as important to them is 10-20%. In ths us its 50-60%. Its an amazing difference...and a distubing one.

Originally posted by Alliance
😆 Try 2050. Once Generation X is out.

Eh. Western society is fine. Europe is legalizing gay marriage left and right. Hell, Italy is considering legalizing gay marriage. That's where the friggin Pope lives...

However I think it will take Eastern societies more time to adapt.

I find that more successful a country becomes, the more accepting they will be about homosexuality. Take India for example. They're deleting many anti-gay laws as their economy grows.

Poor countries tend to stay uneducated and conservative to their values.

Originally posted by Draco69
You need worshippers for Christianity to be active. If worshippers continue to deviate from what some would call Christian principles than the religion either degenerates or changes.

Seriously, when the Pope says that homosexuality is not a choice and it's just something you have to abstain from than you can see how much public opinion has an affect on religion.

Roc. now do you understand why I denounce Catholic leaders (or any religious leader for that matter who states that homosexuality is not a choice)? How can the Pope say that homosexuality is not a choice? It is a choice.

Lets rephrase this to Europe is doiing fine. I bet the EU will pass legislation on it within 10 years.

Homosexuality is a major business issue. something like 75% of the Fortune 500 have company policies that offer the same benefits to the partners of homosexual companies as heterosexual companies.

These companies will leaves states that have bans on civil unions (like Wisconsin is trying to pass). Also, ststes in the US that have passes bans on gay marriage are poor, uneducated, and not financially important states. There is even evidence that many businesses are leaving these states.

AS long as we keep moving forward (even though its way to slow). It hurts me as a citizen of the US to see rights denied to other citizens. Government is very important to me. It feels as if I've been stabbed in the back. I can't imagine how homosexuals feel. (well, I know, but i have never felt their pain.)

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Roc. now do you understand why I denounce Catholic leaders (or any religious leader for that matter who states that homosexuality is not a choice)? How can the Pope say that homosexuality is not a choice? It is a choice.

Why? Why is it a choice?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Roc. now do you understand why I denounce Catholic leaders (or any religious leader for that matter who states that homosexuality is not a choice)? How can the Pope say that homosexuality is not a choice? It is a choice.

Depends on your definition of homosexuality. If you define homosexuality as an act of having sexual/physical relations with a person of one's on sex than you would be correct.

If you define homosexualtiy as the sexual, emotional desire for sexual/physical relations with one's on gender than you would be wrong.

Many fundamentalists Christians go with the former.

Most people in the world however are slanting over to the latter.

Theoritically, both sides are correct...

Originally posted by Draco69
Depends on your definition of homosexuality. If you define homosexuality as an act of having sexual/physical relations with a person of one's on sex than you would be correct.

If you define homosexualtiy as the sexual, emotional desire for sexual/physical relations with one's on gender than you would be wrong.

Many fundamentalists Christians go with the former.

Most people in the world however are slanting over to the latter.

Theoritically, both sides are correct...

It is still a choice: a choice to feel that way or not and a choice to practice it or not practice it.