On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by Draco69
I can stand the whole "homosexuality is a choice/sin/evil" whatever. But it really ticks me off when people say AIDS is punishment sent down by God or only gays will get AIDS or AIDS is largely spread by homosexuals.

This isn't ignorance. It's dangerous thinking. It's cruel thinking. It's just evil to even consider it. Makes me want to kidnap the people who say this crap and send their ass to Africa.

It's an insult to the millions of people who die everyday because of the HIV virus. It's thinking like this that's causing HIV to spread throughout Africa.

Acutally, I consider it inhuman. I'd like to see them watch their family die of AIDS.

Originally posted by Damien B
its immoral and just wrong its soposto be man and woman not same sex sicko

Brilliant response... 🙄

Let me ask you this, morality aside, wrong/right aside. Why do you care if two grown men you don't know, will never meet and will never affect you personally are having sex with each other? Also, who's really sick... Myself who doesn't care and think about what two guys are doing to each other in the privacy of their own homes or yourself, who thinks and ponders about how "sicko" it is?

Originally posted by Damien B
its immoral and just wrong its soposto be man and woman not same sex sicko

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Originally posted by Damien B
its immoral and just wrong its soposto be man and woman not same sex sicko

I think I'm going to have to post that link again.

Originally posted by Draco69
I can stand the whole "homosexuality is a choice/sin/evil" whatever. But it really ticks me off when people say AIDS is punishment sent down by God or only gays will get AIDS or AIDS is largely spread by homosexuals.

This isn't ignorance. It's dangerous thinking. It's cruel thinking. It's just evil to even consider it. Makes me want to kidnap the people who say this crap and send their ass to Africa.

It's an insult to the millions of people who die everyday because of the HIV virus. It's thinking like this that's causing HIV to spread throughout Africa.

Well...someone's got to do it so here it is:

Romans 1:27
Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/bandopubs/bandocon5/Adler.html

History and size of HIV/ADS - a global perspective: Prof Michael Adler Professor Michael Adler MD FRCP FFPHM Professor of GU Medicine/STDs, University College Medical School, London

AIDS was first recognised, even though not called this, in 1981, when clusters of cases of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia and Kaposi's sarcoma were reported in the USA. HIV was discovered in 1983 at the same time as the first cases of this infection were seen in Europe.

In 1984, a new antibody test was developed that allowed for more detailed epidemiological descriptions of the epidemic.

Transmission of the virus
Globally, approximately 80% of all HIV infection is transmitted through sexual intercourse, vaginal intercourse being the commonest way that the virus is spread. Other common routes of transmission are from mother to child in the womb, at birth and through breast milk, through contaminated blood, injecting drug use and sharing of needles and equipment.

Size of the problem
The World Health Organisation estimated that, at the end of 1997, there were 30.6 million adults and children living with HIV/AIDS. The majority of these are in Sub-Saharan Africa (20.8 million) and South and South-East Asia (6.8 million). The WHO also estimated that, during 1997, 5.8 million new HIV infections occurred - approximately 16,000 per day - and that deaths due to HIV and AIDS were approximately 2.3 million.

The epidemiology varies considerably between the developed and developing world, but also within the developed world. So in Sub-Saharan Africa and South and South-East Asia, for example, the main mode of transmission is through heterosexual intercourse, whereas in the USA and UK it is through homosexual intercourse.

YAY! The natural use of women is a "cook-me-dinner-cocksheaths!"

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well...someone's got to do it so here it is:

[B]Romans 1:27
...leaving the natural use of the woman...

God = romantic.

or romanticism?

Originally posted by Alliance
or romanticism?

Personally I would want the men to live if I had only one natural use to them. Aristophanes could have written that part of the Bible me thinks.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Personally I would want the men to live if I had only one natural use to them.

If it has a hole....

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Aristophanes

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well...someone's got to do it so here it is:

[B]Romans 1:27
Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/bandopubs/bandocon5/Adler.html

History and size of HIV/ADS - a global perspective: Prof Michael Adler Professor Michael Adler MD FRCP FFPHM Professor of GU Medicine/STDs, University College Medical School, London

AIDS was first recognised, even though not called this, in 1981, when clusters of cases of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia and Kaposi's sarcoma were reported in the USA. HIV was discovered in 1983 at the same time as the first cases of this infection were seen in Europe.

In 1984, a new antibody test was developed that allowed for more detailed epidemiological descriptions of the epidemic.

Transmission of the virus
Globally, approximately 80% of all HIV infection is transmitted through sexual intercourse, vaginal intercourse being the commonest way that the virus is spread. Other common routes of transmission are from mother to child in the womb, at birth and through breast milk, through contaminated blood, injecting drug use and sharing of needles and equipment.

Size of the problem
The World Health Organisation estimated that, at the end of 1997, there were 30.6 million adults and children living with HIV/AIDS. The majority of these are in Sub-Saharan Africa (20.8 million) and South and South-East Asia (6.8 million). The WHO also estimated that, during 1997, 5.8 million new HIV infections occurred - approximately 16,000 per day - and that deaths due to HIV and AIDS were approximately 2.3 million.

The epidemiology varies considerably between the developed and developing world, but also within the developed world. So in Sub-Saharan Africa and South and South-East Asia, for example, the main mode of transmission is through heterosexual intercourse, whereas in the USA and UK it is through homosexual intercourse. [/B]

Updated.

GREAT!

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Updated.

You just shot yourself in the foot chief. Taken from your own post...

"Globally, approximately 80% of all HIV infection is transmitted through sexual intercourse, vaginal intercourse being the commonest way that the virus is spread"

Basically what I said to shoot down your #2 "fact" in my previous post. Game Over and you're out of quarters.

Originally posted by Alliance
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I don't know why the name Aristophanes has that effect on people.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Transmission of the virus
Globally, approximately 80% of all HIV infection is transmitted through sexual intercourse, vaginal intercourse being the commonest way that the virus is spread. Other common routes of transmission are from mother to child in the womb, at birth and through breast milk, through contaminated blood, injecting drug use and sharing of needles and equipment.

Did you notice that part of it JIA?

Don't call him "chief," it insults everyone in a branch of the armed services, public service, or law enforcement.

Originally posted by Alliance
Don't call him "chief," it insults everyone in a branch of the armed services, public service, or law enforcement.

I didn't realise I had... oh I see, it was Robtard.

Draco69

here are your words:

That's all fine..to some extent. But actively stating that certain persons or cultures are evil, sinful and aren't worth the bile of a hippo isn't.

Which is what fundamentalists Christians do. If they weren't mean, they would just say "Love the sinner, hate the sin" and treat them like a human being. But sprouting racism, hatred and prejudice like protesting at the funeral of a US. soldier is mean.

Now here are some of my posts on the subject of homosexuality just to show you what I, as a representative of Jesus Christ, have said:

Originally posted by dani_california
Men who beat their wives and deep down think they love her are either ****ed up junkies or they have something wrong in their head. And you can't compare beating someone to having sex with them. That's just idiotic. I know quite a few people who are gay and they are looking for true love just as the rest of us are, I know plenty of gay couples and they seem just as inlove as any straight couple i know. Many gay couples get married, adopt children, raise the children, and grow old together happily. That fact that you would actually suggest that they are sick in the head like wife beaters are shows how much you know on the subject.

It is obvious where you stand on the subject then press on. I have already gone out of my way to explain from the Bible's point of view that the homosexual mindset and lifestyle is an abomination. If you don't believe that then you do not believe the Bible. You may not realize this but your anger is misdirected. You are angry because I do not see things the way that you do. I see things from God's perspective (as revealed in His word) on the subject of homosexuality. I will not be persuaded otherwise. You on the other hand see things from a totally different (and unbiblical) standpoint. There really is no more reason for discussion. Homosexuals are in errror. Folks, when are you guys (and girls) going to quote what I "actually" said? It seems that you all have a penchant for putting your own words in my mouth. Show me dani...show me where I said that homosexuals are sick in the head. They may be but I don't talk like that. Not because I can't I am just more tactful. What I said is that they are sincerely in error. Big difference.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What?

I never said that God hated gays. Are you seeing things that are not there? Gay people (not their sexual orientation/choice of lifestyle) are created in God's image. I do not mean that gay people are created gay. I am not saying that at all. What I mean is that gay people are not animals but are humans. That is one of the meanings to being created in the image and likeness of God. We are not created in the image and likeness of animals, we are created in the image and likenss of God.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I think gay people are created in God's image and likeness and that God loves them as much as He loves any true believer and follower of Christ. However, what God hates is "the homosexual lifestyle." This is where the problem lies. You can love someone but not like, love, or appreciated their mindset and actions. The gay mindset is even an abomination to God. In other words, you may not even practice homosexuality (sexual encounters with the same gender) but thinking that it is okay or fantasizing about it is a sin as well. Homosexuality (in thought and action) is an abomination.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Based on God's Word (the Bible) God's will concerning marriage is that a man and woman come together together in "holy" matrimony. It is unholy for a male to have sex (sodomy) with another male. Similarly, lesbianism is also an abomination. Now let me stick a pin here, stop and come back to it.

I am simply reporting what the Bible says (I am action news JesusIsAlive as it were) so don't get made at me. If you must get mad, get mad with and throw a rock at God, not me. (I know that you are more mature than that dani, but I just wanted to state that for someone who is not as sensible as you seem). Now I will revisit the discussion.

[B]Genesis 5:2
He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created.

See, God made them (mankind, human kind) "male" and "female." God made a female for a reason. Man was incomplete without his helpmeet (helper, suitor, counterpart). God said that it is not good for man to be alone. Guess what happened next? Let me ask you dani: did God create an ape for Adam? What about a chimpanzee? Okay, okay, how about a gorillla? None of the above? Shucks. Well just what "did" God in His infinite, perfect wisdom make for Adam? Let us find out.

Genesis 2:21-252
1 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.
23 And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”

24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Dani, this is the will of God. That a man and a woman come together in sweet, beautiful, endless love and marriage. Based on the Bible it is unscriptural for a man to have sex (actually it is not sex it is sodomy) with, let alone marry, another man. [/B]

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Are you ready? Because God (the Creator of human beings) says so. It is not natural, normal, or acceptable to God. But God still loves them, He just hates the sin of homosexuality. His Word (the holy Bible) condemns it.

Yes, God loves the homosexual, bisexual, and lesbian but not their homosexual mindset or lifestyle. It is an abomination. God (the Creator of human beings) made us male and female for a reason. Homosexuality is not natural, norrmal, or acceptable to God. But God still loves the homosexual, He just hates the sin of homosexuality. His Word (the holy Bible) condemns it. The word "phobic" denotes "fear of" something. Hence the terms arachnaphobia (fear of spiders) and acrophobia (fear of heights). Why the suffix -phobic or -phobia is used in connection with homosexuals is a mystery to me. The two words don't even apply to the word homosexual. People say homophobic or homophobia. But these terms are misnomers. My objection to the homosexual lifestyle and mindset is not engendered by fear; it is based on God's Word (the Standard that I live by). God is not homophobic either (what would God have to be afraid of?). People are not opposed to homosexuality (the lifestyle) because of any fear, the are against it because it is a sin (it is just plain wrong). I am not afraid of homosexuals, I am opposed to their lifestyle. There is a King Kong-size difference between being "against" and being "afraid" of something. If I was afraid of homosexuality I would never so much as open my mouth in protest about it--ever. I would be to afraid to. But yet that is what the homosexual community wants us to think. That if we object to their lifestyle then we must be afraid of them. No, not at all. The word fear and homosexual have zero correlation. Similarly, people have a proclivity to use the word hate in connection with those who object to the homosexual lifestyle. In their ignorance and lack of good diction they fail to understand that not approving of something has nothing to do with hate. The only person that I hate is satan, and the only thing that I hate is sin. Hating something and objecting to something are two totally different concepts altogether. But the average person is not able to make that distinction. They feel so strongly about homosexuality that any ideas or comments in stark contrast to it must be hate or fear. I cannot help it if that person's mind (understanding) is not developed enough to make a distinction between two totally different terms. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God Condemns Homosexuality—Leviticus 18:22; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Timothy 1:10

So don't throw your rocks at me, God makes the rules and He says that homosexuality (including bisexuality and lesbianism) is an abomination. And you know what? It is.

[B]Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

Romans 1:26-27
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

1 Timothy 1:10
for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, [/B]

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The moment that a bisexual person has sexual encounters with someone of their sex it qualifies as a sin. So yes bisexuality (practicing sexual encounters with the same sex) is a sin.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.christian-faith.com/testimonies/lesbian-homosexuality.html

So then alternative lifestyle is truly a choice.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
To be more technical Rob. I believe that homosexuals are simply heeding seducing spirits. They are listening to and falling vicitm to lying, demonic spirits who are influencing them adversely. Evil spirits have different assignments. They are a root of so many of humanities problems and issues (behaviorly and emotionally). This does not mean that people are demonically possessed (although some are). It just means that humanity is constantly receiving suggestions from demons (who are invisible by nature) to do all sorts of sinful works of the flesh. Yes homosexuality is a sinful work of the flesh. But demons cannot "make" anyone sin (unless of course that person is demon-possessed) all that they can do is put the idea in your mind. We have a choice whether we will obey or act on what we entertain in our minds. We have a choice about what we do with our bodies.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Did Jesus Christ condemn homosexuality? Absolutely. Jesus does this by upholding God's standard of sex within marriage--between a man and a woman. So all sexual encounters "outside" of this is a sin.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

[color=darkblue]Yes, God loves the homosexual, bisexual, and lesbian but not their homosexual mindset or lifestyle. It is an abomination. God (the Creator of human beings) made us male and female for a reason. Homosexuality is not natural, norrmal, or acceptable to God. But God still loves the homosexual, He just hates the sin of homosexuality. His Word (the holy Bible) condemns it. The word "phobic" denotes "fear of" something. Hence the terms arachnaphobia (fear of spiders) and acrophobia (fear of heights). Why the suffix -phobic or -phobia is used in connection with homosexuals is a mystery to me. The two words don't even apply to the word homosexual. People say homophobic or homophobia. But these terms are misnomers. My objection to the homosexual lifestyle and mindset is not engendered by fear; it is based on God's Word (the Standard that I live by). God is not homophobic either (what would God have to be afraid of?). People are not opposed to homosexuality (the lifestyle) because of any fear, the are against it because it is a sin (it is just plain wrong). I am not afraid of homosexuals, I am opposed to their lifestyle. There is a King Kong-size difference between being "against" and being "afraid" of something. If I was afraid of homosexuality I would never so much as open my mouth in protest about it--ever. I would be to afraid to. But yet that is what the homosexual community wants us to think. That if we object to their lifestyle then we must be afraid of them. No, not at all. The word fear and homosexual have zero correlation. Similarly, people have a proclivity to use the word hate in connection with those who object to the homosexual lifestyle. In their ignorance and lack of good diction they fail to understand that not approving of something has nothing to do with hate. The only person that I hate is satan, and the only thing that I hate is sin. Hating something and objecting to something are two totally different concepts altogether. But the average person is not able to make that distinction. They feel so strongly about homosexuality that any ideas or comments in stark contrast to it must be hate or fear. I cannot help it if that person's mind (understanding) is not developed enough to make a distinction between two totally different terms.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Are you ready? Because God (the Creator of human beings) says so. It is not natural, normal, or acceptable to God. But God still loves them, He just hates the sin of homosexuality. His Word (the holy Bible) condemns it.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Crazy, anti-gay.

Homosexuality is a sin according to God's Word (the Bible). Agreeing with God about this doesn't make anyone anti-gay. God is against homosexuality--the practice or lifestyle--but He loves the person and wants that person to come out of that abominable sin. I hate homosexuality too, but I DO NOT hate the person, neither does God. Can you see the distinction. It is like hating someone's drug use but loving the addict and trying to help them overcome their addiction. Well God hates homosexuality, bisexuality, bestiality, and lesbianism--the practice, but He loves the person.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Then that one person should be held accountable for her actions. That does not reflect on God. Just because some ignorant person chooses to attack a gay person that does not mean that God approved of that behavior. God does not approve of Christians taking a physically violent approach or stance against homosexuality. I am opposed to homosexuality but I will not go to blows over it. Like my Heavenly Father, I love the gay person but I hate the gay lifestyle or practice and will speak out against it.

Can you see this Trickster, sir?

Well, as to your last point, seeing as the Bible advocates the death penalty for homosexuals, it's not hard to see why some feel justified in taking a violent approach and also hard to reconcilke this idea that you love them anyway.

That is irrelevant in an case. This whole "we hate what they are but love them anyway" thing is condescending in the extreme and does not have the value you attach to it.

'Homophobia' has become a general rather than literal phrase for opposition to homosexuality, though it is well chosen because fear of what you do not understand is at the heart of nearly all such hate. You hide behind your religion for that, but the fact is the reason many religions are so opposed to homosexuality is precisely down to the fear of the people who wrote such holy books.

Opposition to homosexuality, as typified by the Christian view, is one of the greatest evils propogated by religion,m and the more time goes by, the more immoral people will see religion is for holding such views.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
"we hate what they are but love them anyway"

It makes perfect sense, actually.

For example: As a father I may hate something my son does, but in the end I still love him anyways for the fact that he is my son.

The same thing applies to what JesusIsAlive is talking about. God may resent the lifestyle of a certain individual, but he still loves him/her regardless.