On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by cking
alot of prophets tried to do it by themselves and they have already disobeyed and one time a prophet did and another prophet you will be attacked by a lion and will be killed and so as soon as he left the lion came and killed him.

Tried to to what? The naughty thing?

they tried to do it on their own. They think they could prophesied without permission from god.

I think it is remarkably strange if homosexuality is a sin. Everything, supposedly, in this world exists with Gods knowledge, and to a degree he lets it exist. Now, there is a difference between choosing something, and having no choice. There are seven deadly sins and ten commandments, things not do do, that if you "choose" to do will see you committing a sin. Homosexuality is not mentioned, but then a person doesn't choose to be homosexual, nor who they love. It's not a choice. The question then would be why God would choose to doom such a large group of people based on something they have no choice over? Hardly seems fair, and if God is truly good it wouldn't happen.

And besides, the things that are sins, murder, theft, envy, anger etc harm ourselves or other people. In what fashion does homosexuality bring harm to anyone? It doesn't unless it leads to wrong acts, the same which is true for heterosexuality. So I don't think it is a sin, regardless of what Church leaders and books written by so called religious men say.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I think it is remarkably strange if homosexuality is a sin. Everything, supposedly, in this world exists with Gods knowledge, and to a degree he lets it exist. Now, there is a difference between choosing something, and having no choice. There are seven deadly sins and ten commandments, things not do do, that if you "choose" to do will see you committing a sin. Homosexuality is not mentioned, but then a person doesn't choose to be homosexual, nor who they love. It's not a choice. The question then would be why God would choose to doom such a large group of people based on something they have no choice over? Hardly seems fair, and if God is truly good it wouldn't happen.

And besides, the things that are sins, murder, theft, envy, anger etc harm ourselves or other people. In what fashion does homosexuality bring harm to anyone? It doesn't unless it leads to wrong acts, the same which is true for heterosexuality. So I don't think it is a sin, regardless of what Church leaders and books written by so called religious men say.

Good point.

God can choose to not let it happen, but it is up to the individual if they want to stop it or not.

Originally posted by cking
God can choose to not let it happen, but it is up to the individual if they want to stop it or not.

What? Do you have any concept of what you say?

God lets things happen for a reason. We don't why, but he lets them happen, but it all goes back to giving glory to God.

I realy don't see what it realy matters.According to the Bible we're all born into sin already.Now what about those who are gay yet go to church?Are they still going to hell?

if they don't repent and stop their ways, yes they will. alot of people go to church for the wrong reasons, like just to socialize. but if they don't believe in Christ, then they will, only because they choose to go there. If they come to repent, they will be saved, if they just come to just to destroy the church, then something is going to be done about that.

Yes,but what if they belive in Christ.No one can be without sin.No one is perfect.

true, but when you repent you stop the ways that still offend god and going back to him. then they are healed and they aren't homosexuals anymore and if they continue to do it then maybe they really never accepted Christ.

But your telling me that they could sincerely be trying to change their ways and in the struggle they will still not be accepted by God if they where to suddenly die?

no, if they will change their hearts and lives and repent then they will be saved. some will try, but with help from God they will change. Jesus says you must be born again to enter the kingdom. He means you must be born again of spirit.

So you're saying, that if a gay person is trying to repent his homosexuality by going to church, and he dies in a car accident on the way to church, before he can ask forgiveness, that he'll got to hell?

when a person repents, they repent. they don't try they just do it. if that person doesn't make the decision before he dies then he will go but if he repents before, he won't. it is up to that person where they want to go.

I think God has worse things to worry about than gay people. He created them too, right? In His image and all? And He loves them the same as everyoe else. I honestly don't think He gives two shits about someone's sexual preference as long as its mutual and noones being raped.

Originally posted by cking
God didn't create Adam and Steve, but Adam and eve.

🙄 wow, how original. 🙄

That would be very strange if that happened. It would go like this, so God created the heavens and the earth and so God said to Adam, it isn't good for you to be alone so God created another man and Adam named him Steve for he is just like me. the end

No, if you were going off of that rationale then the whole story would be different. Conception and birth would be done different ways, for God would still want the earth to be populated with His people, right?

Oh, and btw "being fat" isn't a sin. Gluttony is. You can be a glutton of anything, for example, I "gluttonized" (yes, I know that's not a real word) the tv in the den today because it's the only room in the house with a fan in it and our a/c is broken. I watched the tv in there for 3 hours, whatever I wanted to watch, despite what my boyfriend and roommate wanted to watch.

I was just kidding about that