On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
God denounced what Abraham did and had Daniel renounce polygamy.

Also, are you God incarnate? It isn't that they got stoning wrong- they got it right! However Jesus' mission changed the state of the earth- his death which redeemed mankind meant the Jewish people had completed their mission of creating a society in which the messiah could be born...

Where in the Bible did God denounce polygamy? Do you have a verse?

As for that second paragraph, WTF? What did you just say?

As I was taught at Catholic school, the story of Jesus and the stoning of the adulteress was about judgement. People don't have the right to judge each other, only God can. Therefore stoning is wrong. Yet the Old Testament condones it.

If the Old Testament got it right what reason did Jesus have for changing it?

And no, I'm not God incarnate. That's my point. Neither were the men who wrote the Bible. It is very possible that they got things wrong.

Originally posted by cococryspies
Where in the Bible did God denounce polygamy? Do you have a verse?

Originally posted by cococryspies
As I was taught at Catholic school, the story of Jesus and the stoning of the adulteress was about judgement. People don't have the right to judge each other, only God can. Therefore stoning is wrong. Yet the Old Testament condones it.

If the Old Testament got it right what reason did Jesus have for changing it?

Hmm, prior to Jesus' birth the world was in a state of irredeemable sin which had to be appeased through sacrifices and very very strict living- Israel HAD to be kept as pure as possible so that conditions could be met for the delivery of the Messiah- Jesus. After that had been fulfilled the playing field changed.

Originally posted by cococryspies
And no, I'm not God incarnate. That's my point. Neither were the men who wrote the Bible. It is very possible that they got things wrong.

The people who wrote the changes didn't claim to institute them, they claimed Jesus did. He reformed the law...I think at this point I should point out that things can change and its the Church's authority to carry out that change.

In the bible it was stated that Noah's son Haim took advantage of him sexually while he was in a drunken stupor, (yes Noah was a lush) and God cursed the ground that Noah's son walked on for raping his father; Haim was a homosexual.

If God cursed Haim who was a homosexual then, would he change now?

did jesus ever condemn homosexuality?,..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
did jesus ever condemn homosexuality?,..

Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. It was Paul that have something to say on the topic.

God created man and woman. and God never told us to fall in love with the same sex.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
God created man and woman. and God never told us to fall in love with the same sex.

How do you know that?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How do you know that?

because God never said it. try to look on your bible and try to search about when God said we can fall in love with the same sex. you'll found nothing.

-edit : if God allowed us to fall in love with the same sex with us, then what's His purpose for created a man and woman? it's enough for God to create a man or woman alone.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
because God never said it. try to look on your bible and try to search about when God said we can fall in love with the same sex. you'll found nothing.

So, you got this information from the bible? Do you eat shell fish?

where else we can get God's words except from the bible itself?

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
where else we can get God's words except from the bible itself?

There are a lot of books that claim to be the word of some god. The Koran is one example.

i think god wanted us to love all things.....

and if jesus was walking around preaching a message of love and compassion, i would think paul had the message wrong IMO..

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
because God never said it. try to look on your bible and try to search about when God said we can fall in love with the same sex. you'll found nothing.

-edit : if God allowed us to fall in love with the same sex with us, then what's His purpose for created a man and woman? it's enough for God to create a man or woman alone.

God also doesn't happen to mention anything about electricity or human rights....

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma

-edit : if God allowed us to fall in love with the same sex with us, then what's His purpose for created a man and woman? it's enough for God to create a man or woman alone.

So, now you propose that you know best what God intentions are?

What was that thing Lucifer fell for, again?

well the catholic church says it was because pride and rebellion..
but if we look at the old testament or torah he never fell or was mentioned to have been anything

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Hmm, prior to Jesus' birth the world was in a state of irredeemable sin which had to be appeased through sacrifices and very very strict living- Israel HAD to be kept as pure as possible so that conditions could be met for the delivery of the Messiah- Jesus. After that had been fulfilled the playing field changed.

Seriously, where did you get this?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The people who wrote the changes didn't claim to institute them, they claimed Jesus did. He reformed the law...I think at this point I should point out that things can change and its the Church's authority to carry out that change.

But if the church chooses to change something, that means they think it is wrong. Why else would they make a change?

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
where else we can get God's words except from the bible itself?

The various other scriptures which claim to have God's word, for one. Or you can do what ancient man did before there was a written document claiming to be the culmination of God's laws and just make stuff up along the way.

E.G., if you don't like having your stuff stolen, then don't steal in return. If you wouldn't want someone to murder you, then don't murder someone else. If you wouldn't want someone beating you down or denying you rights because of something like skin color, place of birth or sexual orientation, then don't do that to someone else. In the general sense, this is a decent way about going through life.

Edit: I think there's some found scripture which supposedly has Jesus stating that God is in all of us and we not need rely on places of worship or clergy to know God. I like this idea.

Originally posted by cococryspies
Seriously, where did you get this?

But if the church chooses to change something, that means they think it is wrong. Why else would they make a change?

Its Church teachings and changing things is their prerogative- not yours, Mr. Colbert agrees with me.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Its Church teachings and changing things is their prerogative- not yours, Mr. Colbert agrees with me.

Stephen's persona agrees with you. But why would they change something if they didn't think it was wrong? Please answer this time.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What was that thing Lucifer fell for, again?

Being a dick, starting a massive civil war, trying to replace God (which is like your toe saying it should run the body), being a dick and supposedly there was a little bit of irrational pride in the mix.