On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Started by inimalist274 pages
Originally posted by GahLakTus
Yes it would be SPECIFIC proof if could kindly show me where same sex - sexual attraction is documented in "almost all phylums of life".

http://www.amazon.com/Biological-Exuberance-Homosexuality-Natural-Diversity/dp/0312192398

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Please don't make immature assumptions it does nothing to support your argument.

you are the one who claimed that your opinion is superior to the science of mental health, so the accusation is apt. Clearly you are not interested in what is scientifically classified as a psychiatric disorder.

Lol gays' wedding rings are each others' sphincters.

Originally posted by inimalist
[you are the one who claimed that your opinion is superior to the science of mental health, so the accusation is apt. Clearly you are not interested in what is scientifically classified as a psychiatric disorder.

Claimed my opinion is superior to the science of mental health? No I think you'll find I only expressed my opinion.

Homosexuality has already been classed as a psychiatric disorder in the past admittedly it isn't anymore so don't presume that im not interested in what is scientifically classified as a psychiatric disorder. Regardless I like you, am entitled to an opinion.

the entitlement to an opinion says nothing about its accuracy

Originally posted by inimalist
the entitlement to an opinion says nothing about its accuracy

That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it 🙂

Originally posted by GahLakTus
That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it 🙂
It's also a "fact".

Originally posted by GahLakTus
That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it 🙂

yes, but given that opinions are very much like assholes, I feel the need to go a little bit further than "That is my opinion, so there!!"

Originally posted by inimalist
yes, but given that opinions are very much like assholes, I feel the need to go a little bit further than "That is my opinion, so there!!"

Im sorry I thought this was a "discussion" forum where one would expect opinions. Clearly you believe this is a place for you to try and belittle others and make confused asumptions.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Im sorry I thought this was a "discussion" forum where one would expect opinions. Clearly you believe this is a place for you to try and belittle others and make confused asumptions.

You: if anything homosexuality should be classed as a psychiatric disorder.

Me: for something to be a psychiatric disorder, it must interfere with the normal day-to-day functioning of an individual.

You: Individual perception. Individual opinion.

Me: DSM-V and ICD-10 classifications of mental disorder, actually

You: Medical classifcation does not dictate all my perceptions and opinions thank you.

ok, this is important. Now, I'll give you that you might not know what the DSM or ICD are, but they are the world's foremost institutions in regards to the scientific diagnosis of mental disorder. You then claim they do not dictate what you think about mental disorder. This is you, saying in your own words, that you don't care what science has to say about mental disorders

Me: no, I really didn't think science would matter to you

You: Please don't make immature assumptions it does nothing to support your argument.

see, here, you get defensive for no reason. All I have done is phrased back to you exactly what you expressed to me.

Me: you are the one who claimed that your opinion is superior to the science of mental health, so the accusation is apt. Clearly you are not interested in what is scientifically classified as a psychiatric disorder.

You: Claimed my opinion is superior to the science of mental health? No I think you'll find I only expressed my opinion.

Homosexuality has already been classed as a psychiatric disorder in the past admittedly it isn't anymore so don't presume that im not interested in what is scientifically classified as a psychiatric disorder. Regardless I like you, am entitled to an opinion.

now, the defense of your point here is: I am entitled to an opinion. This is in response to me claiming that science is against what you are saying. You concede that you know science has progressed beyond thinking homosexuality is a mental disorder, then retreat into the "I am entitled to an opinion" line, which is absolutely true. However, it shows your feigned interest in science to be hypocrisy and does nothing to substantiate your point. All it does is move the onus back to you, so it is your opinion? who are you?

Me: the entitlement to an opinion says nothing about its accuracy

which is factually accurate, given that someone's belief in something is not justification enough for that thing to be true

You: That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it smile

which is also true, though my opinion can be backed up using formal logic and empirical testing, whereas your opinions are non-falsifiable.

-"Why is it a worthwhile opinion?"
-"because someone has it!"

I know you can tell how silly that sounds

Me: yes, but given that opinions are very much like assholes, I feel the need to go a little bit further than "That is my opinion, so there!!"

You:
Im sorry I thought this was a "discussion" forum where one would expect opinions. Clearly you believe this is a place for you to try and belittle others and make confused asumptions.

1) this is a marketplace of ideas. You posted them, do not get upset when others react.

2) Opinions are not equal. An opinion with nothing to back it up aside from the fact you have it is worthless.

3) I have not belittled you. In fact, you have called my arguments confused and immature, whereas all I am saying is that you are wrong.

4) My confused assumptions come specifically from the words you have said. Feel free to clarify how telling me that you don't care about medical and scientific opinion of mental disorder is actually evidence for you being interested in it.

as far as i know there is no reference in the bible saying Gay is a sin most of it is assumed by readers and the name of sodom and gamorrah, that people attribute the name in later years to homosexuality.

if it makes anyone feel any better all sins are equal only catholics place them in some order of severity.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
as far as i know there is no reference in the bible saying Gay is a sin most of it is assumed by readers and the name of sodom and gamorrah, that people attribute the name in later years to homosexuality.

if it makes anyone feel any better all sins are equal only catholics place them in some order of severity.

The bible does say "thou shall not lie with a man yadda yadda yadda", but its only mentioned once or twice, where as say, murder, is condemned through out the bible. Obviously one is seen as worse than the other.

If sins are equal does that mean telling a little lie is as bad as murder?

Catholicism doesn't do a very good job classifying sins either. By Catholic logic shoplifters are burning in Hell right beside Hitler.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
as far as i know there is no reference in the bible saying Gay is a sin most of it is assumed by readers and the name of sodom and gamorrah, that people attribute the name in later years to homosexuality.

if it makes anyone feel any better all sins are equal only catholics place them in some order of severity.

Paul says it explicitly. You know Paul right? Son of God sent to save us from our . . . wait a second.

So if being "Gay" is a sin that means I can't be happy?

Originally posted by cococryspies
The bible does say "thou shall not lie with a man yadda yadda yadda", but its only mentioned once or twice, where as say, murder, is condemned through out the bible. Obviously one is seen as worse than the other.

If sins are equal does that mean telling a little lie is as bad as murder?

Catholicism doesn't do a very good job classifying sins either. By Catholic logic shoplifters are burning in Hell right beside Hitler.

As they should be yes...a sin's a sin. In Catholicism there is a difference though between Murder and shoplifting, lots of things including culpability are taken into account...fact is there is a judgement its not so black and white as- you stole a packet of crisps, go join the rapists and mass-murderers while the next lift arrives to take you to hell.

Also, it only needs to be mentioned once- though it is mentioned more than that...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Paul says it explicitly. You know Paul right? Son of God sent to save us from our . . . wait a second.

Paul's authority on these matters is absolute really...

Oh and by the by, the Dali Lama is opposed to homosexuality also...just for balance.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
So if being "Gay" is a sin that means I can't be happy?

If a man loves a 13 year old girl, and she loves him and they are happy together- should it be permitted?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
If a man loves a 13 year old girl, and she loves him and they are happy together- should it be permitted?

Yes. And there are plenty of homophobic pedophiles who take offense at that comparison.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes. And there are plenty of homophobic pedophiles who take offense at that comparison.

Its a valid comparison...we're talking about love right?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Its a valid comparison...we're talking about love right?

I already agreed that we're talking about love and it shouldn't matter who's in love. You tried (and failed) to set up a strawman.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I already agreed that we're talking about love and it shouldn't matter who's in love. You tried (and failed) to set up a strawman.

How is what I said a strawman?

You said some homophobic paedophiles resent the comparison- I pointed out that they shouldn't really resent it because the comparison is valid, all about love.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
How is what I said a strawman?

You said some homophobic paedophiles resent the comparison- I pointed out that they shouldn't really resent it because the comparison is valid, all about love.

You attempted to equate homosexuality and pedophilia and knew perfectly well what you were doing. I reversed it as a form of humor.