On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by ChristFirst
Your philosophy sounds good, but that's all it is. Does your reasoning have anything to do with the fact that these offenses were deemed punishable by God first...no matter how they are defined. God said that they are sins...now they are the foundation of the laws of man! They make sense because man had nothing to do with them.

You limit incest to just the act of impermissible sexual relations between and adult and child, when in fact, it is an act of immoral sexual behavior between any/all family members, whether young or old. Sexual interaction between adults and youth is molestation, pedophilia and incest altogether. Homosexuality has nothing to do with consent...it's still immoral.

Nevertheless, these things extend beyond what you think you know...they are all spiritual...since you had nothing to do with setting these human and supernatural laws in motion and how they intertwine...your philosophy means nothing.

There is no way you are ever going to have a good conversation about this with someone who doesn't accept religious beliefs about God and Sin. It just never works out well. You can have the best arguments out there...but in the end, no one is going to change their point of view.

Originally posted by tlbauerle
There is no way you are ever going to have a good conversation about this with someone who doesn't accept religious beliefs about God and Sin. It just never works out well. You can have the best arguments out there...but in the end, no one is going to change their point of view.

However, they might change it against your point. 😉

Leon,

I submit to you that Christianity has been around since the creation. If Christ is God's Son, then that doctrine and principle has been around since God created the earth and gave man his word.

I just wanted to add my bit about 'Christianity not being around that long'.

And losing your cool doesn't add strength to any of your arguments either.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, they might change it against your point. 😉

All the time...Conversations like this usually go no where because people don't like to play by their own rules.

I had this insane conversation going on this very topic and one guy was saying "LDS is the most intolerant religion, and un-Christlike"...seeming to set the tone for the argument. He never once embodies tolerance or Christlike behavior because later her said he didn't have to. He wasn't religious...but yet the LDS faith was seen to be breaking these beliefs he didn't even believe in himself.

Funniest thing ever...

Originally posted by tlbauerle
All the time...Conversations like this usually go no where because people don't like to play by their own rules.

I had this insane conversation going on this very topic and one guy was saying "LDS is the most intolerant religion, and un-Christlike"...seeming to set the tone for the argument. He never once embodies tolerance or Christlike behavior because later her said he didn't have to. He wasn't religious...but yet the LDS faith was seen to be breaking these beliefs he didn't even believe in himself.

Funniest thing ever...

😱 Taking offence over something he did not believe. 😱

He still believes, but he has convinced himself that he no longer believes. He is a Christian in denial. 😆

Shaky,
So then, your lack of faith is the reason why you deny God, His statutes, laws, and ordinances. Therefore, your rejection of the truth is simply because you don't believe in God, but trust in yourself.

PVS,
Where, in God's Word, is that found?

In the same breath...they that are led by the Spirit are worthy to be called the Sons of God. It's funny how people proclaim to be "children of God", but somehow reject His teaching and live a life contrary to His Word. What He will actually say, to those who pretend to know Him, is this..."DEPART FROM ME THOU WORKER OF INIQUITY, I NEVER KNEW YOU! FOR MANY PROFESS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEARTS ARE FAR FROM ME". Let this mind be in you, that was also in Christ Jesus (Him that abhoreth sin and despiseth unrighteousness).

Now, the question was asked..."is being gay a sin?". According to the Word of God, it is. If you are a follower of Christ, and claim to be His child, then what the scriptures say should not be grievous to you. Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice, and another they will not follow; and the things I say unto you are not grievous." IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU WILL KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS!

Originally posted by ChristFirst
Shaky,
So then, your lack of faith is the reason why you deny God, His statutes, laws, and ordinances. Therefore, your rejection of the truth is simply because you don't believe in God, but trust in yourself...

😆 You should read some of my posts. 😆

Do you know how many people are going to laugh at you. 😱 😆

Originally posted by ChristFirst
Shaky,
So then, your lack of faith is the reason why you deny God, His statutes, laws, and ordinances. Therefore, your rejection of the truth is simply because you don't believe in God, but trust in yourself.

PVS,
Where, in God's Word, is that found?

In the same breath...they that are led by the Spirit are worthy to be called the Sons of God. It's funny how people proclaim to be "children of God", but somehow reject His teaching and live a life contrary to His Word. What He will actually say, to those who pretend to know Him, is this..."DEPART FROM ME THOU WORKER OF INIQUITY, I NEVER KNEW YOU! FOR MANY PROFESS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEARTS ARE FAR FROM ME". Let this mind be in you, that was also in Christ Jesus (Him that abhoreth sin and despiseth unrighteousness).

Now, the question was asked..."is being gay a sin?". According to the Word of God, it is. If you are a follower of Christ, and claim to be His child, then what the scriptures say should not be grievous to you. Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice, and another they will not follow; and the things I say unto you are not grievous." IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU WILL KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS!

your faith has dulled your mind. your not making an argument there but postin your own unfounded oppinions with no REASONING n further, u quote from the bible THE VERY THING IVE PROVEN WRONG AND REFUSE TO BELIEVE.

i have a theory, when people start quoting form scriptures and chanting from the bible, theyr not trying to convince any1 ELSE, but themselves, trying to forget the other person's logical reply says and hidin under the covers, scared, with their teddys{the constant humming of god's commandments with their hands on their ears} for comfort cause theyr terrified of openin their minds up to things beyond their tiny world.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
your faith has dulled your mind. your not making an argument there but postin your own unfounded oppinions with no REASONING n further, u quote from the bible THE VERY THING IVE PROVEN WRONG AND REFUSE TO BELIEVE.

Yeah...no on the proven wrong thing. Plus, that's not his opinion.

Originally posted by tlbauerle
Leon,

I submit to you that Christianity has been around since the creation. If Christ is God's Son, then that doctrine and principle has been around since God created the earth and gave man his word.

I just wanted to add my bit about 'Christianity not being around that long'.

And losing your cool doesn't add strength to any of your arguments either.

you SUBMIT TO ME? 😕 n what reason do i have of accepting this submission?

you said it yourself "IF" christ is god's son, to which there is absolutely NO proof but empty disproven claims and written words by the hand of men which have been invalidated more times than can be counted.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i have a theory, when people start quoting form scriptures and chanting from the bible, theyr not trying to convince any1 ELSE, but themselves, trying to forget the other person's logical reply says and hidin under the covers, scared, with their teddys{the constant humming of god's commandments with their hands on their ears} for comfort cause theyr terrified of openin their minds up to things beyond their tiny world.

Way to find a way to further justify not listening to a person.

Invalidated? Please...

Originally posted by tlbauerle
Yeah...no on the proven wrong thing. Plus, that's not his opinion.

yes, PROVEN wrong, even if u dont wanna believe it n YES they ARE his oppinions as theyr not backed up by any evidence to suggest to the contrary.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes, PROVEN wrong, even if u dont wanna believe it n YES they ARE his oppinions as theyr not backed up by any evidence to suggest to the contrary.

Ahh...and this is where the conversation become moot. Faith is the antithesis of Evidence.

I believe different than you. I have a faith different than you, built upon personal experience that you cannot deny or refute.

Originally posted by tlbauerle
Ahh...and this is where the conversation become moot. Faith is the antithesis of Evidence.

I believe different than you. I have a faith different than you, built upon personal experience that you cannot deny or refute.

oh my GOD 😱 . you just lost your argument. you said it YOURSELF that faith is the ANTITHESIS evidence. meaning that evidence has NO MEANING for you as you follow your faith. also meaning that your faith is not based on evidence at all and you will continue to deny any EVIDENCE as it means nuthing to you. in short, your fath is illogical and baseless but u follow it blindly not listening to anything to the contrary which might be true.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
oh my GOD 😱 . you just lost your argument. you said it YOURSELF that faith is the ANTITHESIS evidence. meaning that evidence has NO MEANING for you as you follow your faith. also meaning that your faith is not based on evidence at all and you will continue to deny any EVIDENCE as it means nuthing to you. in short, your fath is illogical and baseless but u follow it blindly not listening to anything to the contrary which might be true.

Mystic truth requires no proof. The proof is in the person's life.

No. I am simply pointing out that there is not argument.

Religion is spiritual. Answers to religions questions, should be based in the spiritual.

In regard to 'evidence' I was pointing out the differrence between faith and physical evidence.

The proof I have is based on two realms; The spiritual, and the word built upon multiple testimonies.

tlbauerle,

Thats' exactly the point I was trying to convey...it all boils down to the natural and supernatural. IT'S ALL ABOUT FAITH (Either you will believe the Word of God, reverence it and follow it, or you will deny it, and trample it under foot). Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen....WITHOUT FAITH, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD!!

Either homosexuality is a sin or it isn't!! The continual offenders of any transgression of God's law know what's right and wrong and will have to live and die with the consequences...period (whether they believe it or not!)

the PROBLEM with that is that your RELEGION "itself" puts down NON SPIRITUAL PHYSICAL GUIDELINES for you life and which in turn affect the lives of those around you. if christianity was merely limited to FAITH i wud have no problem with it, but organized relegion openly tries to mould the PHYSICAL and WORLDLY aspect of one's life and those around him are affected by it. if faith remained as it should me, confied to the conciounce then its cool{kinda like buddhism which teaches morals and PHYLISOPHIES unlike punishment, reward and physical LAWS to follow in life like dont have sex, condemn other relegions, condemn homosexuals, preach your way of life to others{or gently FORCE it on them} etc etc.{one of the reasons why i hate islam more than even christianity, almost no spiritualism or abstract thought, morals etc, only a physical way of living without letting yourself breath or even THINK anything different}