First of all, I never mentioned Hell in my initial post...you only mentioned it after reading it. Secondly, I care nothing about the Catholic Church and their distortion of the True scriptures. Catholocism is an imitation to what God truly intended...it rests solely upon mysticism, idolatry, Roman imperialism and one world domination. Besides, the majority of the clergy in the Catholic Church are homosexuals. They are certainly not the authority on God's Word or Christianity (Christianity first began in Jerusalem, on the Day of Pentecost) and spread abroad by Jewish Apostles of Christ to Italy, Greece and Rome (thieves of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ).
Third, it is apparent that you know nothing about the scriptures because Hell (HADES, SHEOL) is mentioned in the Bible (not the Roman Catholic version) on a number of occassions--Hell was created as a holding place (by God) for Satan and the fallen angels. But, as the scriptures note: Hell was created for the angels that lost their first estate (meaning their dwelling place with God), but because sin abounds (sinful humans), Hell hath enlarged herself. It has now become a holding place for both fallen angels and sinful souls awaiting the Judgement. Their final holding place will be...
The place where you refer to as a place of burning torment -- the Lake of Fire...which is totally different from Hell (Death, Hell and all those in Hell will be cast into this place)....
If you're going to dispell the myths, at least know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by ChristFirst
First of all, I never mentioned Hell in my initial post...you only mentioned it after reading it. Secondly, I care nothing about the Catholic Church and their distortion of the True scriptures. Catholocism is an imitation to what God truly intended...it rests solely upon mysticism, idolatry, Roman imperialism and one world domination. Besides, the majority of the clergy in the Catholic Church are homosexuals. They are certainly not the authority on God's Word or Christianity (Christianity first began in Jerusalem, on the Day of Pentecost) and spread abroad by Jewish Apostles of Christ to Italy, Greece and Rome (thieves of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ).Third, it is apparent that you know nothing about the scriptures because Hell (HADES, SHEOL) is mentioned in the Bible (not the Roman Catholic version) on a number of occassions--Hell was created as a holding place (by God) for Satan and the fallen angels. But, as the scriptures note: Hell was created for the angels that lost their first estate (meaning their dwelling place with God), but because sin abounds (sinful humans), Hell hath enlarged herself. It has now become a holding place for both fallen angels and sinful souls awaiting the Judgement. Their final holding place will be...
The place where you refer to as a place of burning torment -- the Lake of Fire...which is totally different from Hell (Death, Hell and all those in Hell will be cast into this place)....
If you're going to dispell the myths, at least know what you're talking about.
Don't go to hell over this. 🙄
I know your myths well... I am always amazed how the child disowns the parent.
Who are you trying to convince, me or you? I know my Redeemer Lives!
Only the fool has said in his heart...THERE IS NO GOD! This implies that you have reasoned within YOURSELF before you came to this belief.
Bottom line...if there is nothing wrong with being gay...then there should also be nothing wrong with lying, stealing, adultery, incest, pedophilia or murder (which are all choices that men make, that ultimately offend another, the law, and GOD)...all sinful acts that are ultimately judged.
So, the next time a person lies to you, or steals something that belongs to you, don't look to the law to reprimand that person...because the laws of man are predicated upon the Laws of God. Since there is "No God", in your mythological existence, then there is no carnal law.
DaPreacher: Its either by your own admission or the Lord's.
Shaky, learn the history of the Christian Church, and begin first with the Hebrew texts. Roman Catholicism did not even exist then. The Church of Jesus Christ was established before He was crucified on the cross. Because He commissioned His twelve to go out and preach it to everyone. Yeah, Romans were there...their Centurions spat on Him, beat Him and nailed Him to the cross. Because, they were, at that time, worshipping Zeus, Apollo and Athena (etc.)
Get the facts straight...the Roman Catholic Church is not the foundation of Christianity (true worshippers of Christ first received this name by unbelievers in Antioch as an identification of those who followed the Apostle's Doctrine in defiance of Roman and Greek idolatry).
Originally posted by ChristFirst
Who are you trying to convince, me or you? I know my Redeemer Lives!Only the fool has said in his heart...THERE IS NO GOD! This implies that you have reasoned within YOURSELF before you came to this belief.
Bottom line...if there is nothing wrong with being gay...then there should also be nothing wrong with lying, stealing, adultery, incest, pedophilia or murder (which are all choices that men make, that ultimately offend another, the law, and GOD)...all sinful acts that are ultimately judged.
So, the next time a person lies to you, or steals something that belongs to you, don't look to the law to reprimand that person...because the laws of man are predicated upon the Laws of God. Since there is "No God", in your mythological existence, then there is no carnal law.
the problem with believers is that they either cant or refuse to believe in any justice or morals OUTSIDE those dictated by their god. let me explain.
lying AFFECTS an individual other than yourself {sum1 who has rights BEYOND yours} mostly negetively, ofcourse there might be the odd time when a lie might save sum1's life, WHEN it is OK to lie{as opposed to your relegion which just terms it as WRONG}
stealing AFFECTS and unjustly takes away the EARNED livelyhood and material posessions of ANOTHER individual one who has rights over his stuff that you do not have as you did not WORK for it. ofcourse there might ALSO be the odd time when your psychotic neighbour has a gun that hes gonna kill sum1 with but u steal it so that he cant use it, thas a GOOD/right thing to do instead of what your relegion teaches and says its wrong either way
adultery messed with the rights of your wife/husband and in both instances you HURT ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL including your children, individuals who have the RIGHT to have you stay with them and NOT be with another person. its not YOUR place to make the decision whether to be or NOT be with another person, its sum1 ELSE'S right and you CAN NOT step over it, when you do you affect OTHER PEOPLE.
incest is the destroying of the rightful innocence, virginity, physical, mental, and psychological WELL BEING of a kid, he had a RIGHT over all these things but u take them away from he/she not to mention you destroy their born right to have a loving/caring father, mother, brother sister etc. YOU take away that right which was NOT YOURS TO TAKE AWAY! which is WHY its wrong
murder is the taking away of SUM1 ELSE'S LIFE! a life that you had NO RIGHT OVER. a life that the person had an inherent right over. but u take away that right from SUM1 OTHER THAN YOURSELF
NOW DO U UNDERSTAND, its not merely CHOICES, one has NO CHOICE when SUM1 "ELSE'S" RIGHTS ARE CONCERNED WHICH IS "WHY" ITS WRONG. NOT BECAUSE GOD SAID IT. MORALITY EXTENDS BEYOND SOME STUPID BOOK.
now as far as homosexuality is concerned as long as BOTH PARTIES are WILLING, then you do NOT take away ANY1 ELSE'S RIGHTS{just like when sex is concensual you do not take away the rigth of the girl to say NO to your offer, which is WHY theres a difference between sex and rape which are fundamentally the same acts} thas the basic thing, when you destrou sum1 ELSE'S well being n take away sum1 ELSE'S rights which are not YOURS to take, you are WRONG. its not choices its fact.
Originally posted by ChristFirst
DaPreacher: Its either by your own admission or the Lord's.Shaky, learn the history of the Christian Church, and begin first with the Hebrew texts. Roman Catholicism did not even exist then. The Church of Jesus Christ was established before He was crucified on the cross. Because He commissioned His twelve to go out and preach it to everyone. Yeah, Romans were there...their Centurions spat on Him, beat Him and nailed Him to the cross. Because, they were, at that time, worshipping Zeus, Apollo and Athena (etc.)
Get the facts straight...the Roman Catholic Church is not the foundation of Christianity (true worshippers of Christ first received this name by unbelievers in Antioch as an identification of those who followed the Apostle's Doctrine in defiance of Roman and Greek idolatry).
I have my facts straight. All forms of Christianity today, came from the Catholic church, but what does that have to do with this thread? Lets get back on topic or create a new thread to talk about it. 😄
Originally posted by leonheartmm
the problem with believers is that they either cant or refuse to believe in any justice or morals OUTSIDE those dictated by their god. let me explain.lying AFFECTS an individual other than yourself {sum1 who has rights BEYOND yours} mostly negetively, ofcourse there might be the odd time when a lie might save sum1's life, WHEN it is OK to lie{as opposed to your relegion which just terms it as WRONG}
stealing AFFECTS and unjustly takes away the EARNED livelyhood and material posessions of ANOTHER individual one who has rights over his stuff that you do not have as you did not WORK for it. ofcourse there might ALSO be the odd time when your psychotic neighbour has a gun that hes gonna kill sum1 with but u steal it so that he cant use it, thas a GOOD/right thing to do instead of what your relegion teaches and says its wrong either way
adultery messed with the rights of your wife/husband and in both instances you HURT ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL including your children, individuals who have the RIGHT to have you stay with them and NOT be with another person. its not YOUR place to make the decision whether to be or NOT be with another person, its sum1 ELSE'S right and you CAN NOT step over it, when you do you affect OTHER PEOPLE.
incest is the destroying of the rightful innocence, virginity, physical, mental, and psychological WELL BEING of a kid, he had a RIGHT over all these things but u take them away from he/she not to mention you destroy their born right to have a loving/caring father, mother, brother sister etc. YOU take away that right which was NOT YOURS TO TAKE AWAY! which is WHY its wrong
murder is the taking away of SUM1 ELSE'S LIFE! a life that you had NO RIGHT OVER. a life that the person had an inherent right over. but u take away that right from SUM1 OTHER THAN YOURSELF
NOW DO U UNDERSTAND, its not merely CHOICES, one has NO CHOICE when SUM1 "ELSE'S" RIGHTS ARE CONCERNED WHICH IS "WHY" ITS WRONG. NOT BECAUSE GOD SAID IT. MORALITY EXTENDS BEYOND SOME STUPID BOOK.
now as far as homosexuality is concerned as long as BOTH PARTIES are WILLING, then you do NOT take away ANY1 ELSE'S RIGHTS{just like when sex is concensual you do not take away the rigth of the girl to say NO to your offer, which is WHY theres a difference between sex and rape which are fundamentally the same acts} thas the basic thing, when you destrou sum1 ELSE'S well being n take away sum1 ELSE'S rights which are not YOURS to take, you are WRONG. its not choices its fact.
Well said.
Is being gay a sin?
Absolutely not. The real sin is committed by those who prejudice against someone just for being different.
not really. in a sense im a better man than you. i do not follow the right path in life because any1 tells me to or offers a reward for it{quite the opposite its only given me bad stuff in return} i do it because "I" dictate my conciounce to do it, my will, my soul if u will, n this conciounce is inherently present in all humans. you on the other hand do it for heaven and because GOD, the big guy TELLS u to. n goin by your phylisify that all morals are made by god and he is the criteria. if god were to go away or die etc. youd stop following the moral path in life{which also means that your not doing the good deeds you do with a good HEART, your only doing it because your told and because your go to hell if u dont n get into heaven if u do} if god suddenly said that all who do bad will go to heaven and all who do good will go to hell, then youd DEFINATELY do bad. but if i were given a choice, id rather choose the good, virtuous path in life even if the end was hell for me. think about that for a second.
Your philosophy sounds good, but that's all it is. Does your reasoning have anything to do with the fact that these offenses were deemed punishable by God first...no matter how they are defined. God said that they are sins...now they are the foundation of the laws of man! They make sense because man had nothing to do with them.
You limit incest to just the act of impermissible sexual relations between and adult and child, when in fact, it is an act of immoral sexual behavior between any/all family members, whether young or old. Sexual interaction between adults and youth is molestation, pedophilia and incest altogether. Homosexuality has nothing to do with consent...it's still immoral.
Nevertheless, these things extend beyond what you think you know...they are all spiritual...since you had nothing to do with setting these human and supernatural laws in motion and how they intertwine...your philosophy means nothing.
Originally posted by ChristFirst
Your philosophy sounds good, but that's all it is. Does your reasoning have anything to do with the fact that these offenses were deemed punishable by God first...no matter how they are defined. God said that they are sins...now they are the foundation of the laws of man! They make sense because man had nothing to do with them.You limit incest to just the act of impermissible sexual relations between and adult and child, when in fact, it is an act of immoral sexual behavior between any/all family members, whether young or old. Sexual interaction between adults and youth is molestation, pedophilia and incest altogether. Homosexuality has nothing to do with consent...it's still immoral.
Nevertheless, these things extend beyond what you think you know...they are all spiritual...since you had nothing to do with setting these human and supernatural laws in motion and how they intertwine...your philosophy means nothing.
I alway wonder about people who say things like "these things extend beyond what you think you know" like somehow they are the all seeing eye on the forehead of god. You also don't KNOW, none of us do, that is why it is called faith. 🙄
Originally posted by ChristFirst
Your philosophy sounds good, but that's all it is. Does your reasoning have anything to do with the fact that these offenses were deemed punishable by God first...no matter how they are defined. God said that they are sins...now they are the foundation of the laws of man! They make sense because man had nothing to do with them.You limit incest to just the act of impermissible sexual relations between and adult and child, when in fact, it is an act of immoral sexual behavior between any/all family members, whether young or old. Sexual interaction between adults and youth is molestation, pedophilia and incest altogether. Homosexuality has nothing to do with consent...it's still immoral.
Nevertheless, these things extend beyond what you think you know...they are all spiritual...since you had nothing to do with setting these human and supernatural laws in motion and how they intertwine...your philosophy means nothing.
oh wow, the nice understanding, preacher christian act gone the second you cant back up your argument? im taken aback. you just go on to say that i dont know anythin and that my phylosophy means nuthing without anythin to back it up, THAS SMART 🙂 . this is what i hate about believers, the second things dont go in their favour they show you their true self. reguardless ill tyr to penetrate your thick skull.
my mindless friend, there is not ULTIMATE criteria of immorality, it depends on the individual and rightly so for they are the one who will suffer the consequences. how can you claim that these OFFENCES were deemed punishable by god FIRTS? says who, christianity hasnt even been around as long as many of the other relegions like buddhism, n THEY were pretty damn moral. were u there to witness god laying down these rules on the days of creation. NO, all u have is a book. and to FURTHER prove my point i will tell you that that MIGHT have been the case IF the bible contained nuthing other than what could universally be related to rationally MORAL, but the bible in MANY places has immoral/wrong/hateful teachings. which is why even your wild claim is proven false. your understanding is not more than any other human mind{rather less actually} so dont claim to KNOW or UNDERSTAND a higher truth that other BLIND N IDIOTIC people like us cant see.
as i have also shown, in MANY odd situations, the actions deemed wrong by christianity actually become RIGHT which further strengthens my case for their being only RELETIVE morals and not PERFECT SET ones that remain static and unchanging.
{oh n btw not ALL that god says is in law books, and many of the OTHER things that make sense are NOT in the bible, like laws to protect homosexuals and gay marriage}