Originally posted by scotsmn1) Actually sound is NOTHING but waves of COMPRESSED AIR!!!
Not sure, I still think she'd be able to hear it pretty loud. The sound has to travel through air. Unless she plans on learning not to breathe she has to release the dome eventually.
2) A pressure dome is not some kind of vague "pressure energy" but simply compressed AIR that's not moving, so Storm would never suffocate within this dome, because she could easily channel oxygen molecules in and carbondioxide out.
Originally posted by wannabe
She could easily dissolve the thunderclap before it would even reach her, or she could redirect it.
How far is she? Speed of sound is about 340 miles per second, you think she would be able to react fast enough?
People are having strange delusions about Storm's reaction speed...he is as fast as a normal human. No increased reflexes. Trained, maybe, but not increased.
I never understood the whole pressure dome thing. If she is indeed holding nitrogen and oxygen molecules in a stationary heavily compressed state, besides the fact that she doesn't really have those kinds of matter manipulating powers, how is that supposed to prevent energetic or even force attacks from passing through.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot1) She has the power to control air and its density...after all, weather phenomena like storms, hurricanes etc are nothing but the effects caused by at least two areas of different air pressure (air density).
I never understood the whole pressure dome thing. If she is indeed holding nitrogen and oxygen molecules in a stationary heavily compressed state, besides the fact that she doesn't really have those kinds of matter manipulating powers, how is that supposed to prevent energetic or even force attacks from passing through.
2) I have absolutely NO IDEA how such a pressure dome could shield her from non particle energy attacks, xmarksthespot ...IT SHOULDN'T!
However much i like the Weatherwitch, this i have to see as (unnecessary) exaggeration of her powers.
ill can you clarify whether the Kick is giving her 5x power or whether it's just allowing her to use normal power level without tiring?
The Kick puts Storm at "full potential" for the full duration of combat. She doesn't need to be 5 times as powerful if she's at full potential for the full duration, if you think about it logically.
Basically, any weather related feat conceivable is at her disposal in this conflict, and since she's without physical strain, she doesn't have her normal constraints, like over-exertion, or having to focus and straining to perform a high end feat.
She's in complete control, and all her feats are "effortless".
Like Hulk, she can go from zero to class 10+ hurricanes on a whim, just as he can go from class 100 to planet busting with a flick of his wrist in a moment.
Whether or not it's powerful enough to defeat Hulk is up for debate.
Also, Mindless Hulk is fair game as well. You can argue any incarnation that would give Hulk the win, and he can switch between incarnations at will. He's not stuck being any Hulk incarnation for the whole fight. He can be any version of Hulk that has manifested in physical reality within the books, which means no Guilt or Devil Hulks, since they are in his mind.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerSince her powers work psionically, she would only need a thought to do this, would she not?
How far is she? Speed of sound is about 340 miles per second, you think she would be able to react fast enough?People are having strange delusions about Storm's reaction speed...he is as fast as a normal human. No increased reflexes. Trained, maybe, but not increased.
And i agree completely with you that Storm only has the reflexes and reaction speed of a well trained person.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I never understood the whole pressure dome thing. If she is indeed holding nitrogen and oxygen molecules in a stationary heavily compressed state, besides the fact that she doesn't really have those kinds of matter manipulating powers, how is that supposed to prevent energetic or even force attacks from passing through.
Actually, there is kind of a precedent for it.
I have DirectTV service (satellite TV), and whenever it gets extremely cloudy or there's a thunderstorm, the reception gets bad or is lost completely because the signal can't pass through the clouds and the EM interference created by the stormfront blocks the signal.
Satellite transmissions are basically energy. It's data sent along a carrier wavelength. Polarization in thunderstorm clouds can block out their signals, just as clouds block out sunlight, and a really think cloud cover could cause eclipse like conditions.
I know it's bad mixing real world science with comics, but we overlook everyday little things like that and just how powerful the weather actually can be.
Originally posted by wannabe
Since her powers work psionically, she would only need a thought to do this, would she not?And i agree completely with you that Storm only has the reflexes and reaction speed of a well trained person.
Speed of thought is slower then speed of sound.
Besides, it takes time for something like "because she could easily channel oxygen molecules in and carbondioxide out" and controlling the sound wave caused by thunderclap to appear.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Speed of thought is slower then speed of sound.Besides, it takes time for something like "because she could easily channel oxygen molecules in and carbondioxide out" and controlling the sound wave caused by thunderclap to appear.
First off the speed of thoughts speed is debatable.
Secondly it all depends on the distance they are apart from each other. Its going to take time for a thunderclap to reach her. She would fight from a distance. With a thought shes cancelled it out. Plus her bodies resisitant o the effects of atmospheric related phenomena.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerIf you mean that the speed of sound in the medium of air (331,6 m/s at 0°C) is faster than the speed of the electric impulses of the human neural system (up to 120 m/s), YOU'R RIGHT!
Speed of thought is slower then speed of sound.
Taking into account that a "thought impulse" has to go for only a few centimeters and the thunderclap for several meters, the "thought" is faster, so YOU'R WRONG!
However, i guess we both know that in a comic the abstract concept of "thought" is considered to be even faster than light, so our scientific bubbling about it, no matter how correct it may be, is IRRELEVANT.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerTaking into account that Storm with a pressure dome up does not have to think about dissolving the thunderclap, she can give her respiration all the attention it may need as long as Hulk is thunderclapping.
Besides, it takes time for something like "because she could easily channel oxygen molecules in and carbondioxide out" and controlling the sound wave caused by thunderclap to appear.
Originally posted by wannabe
Taking into account that Storm with a pressure dome up does not have to think about dissolving the thunderclap, she can give her respiration all the attention it may need as long as Hulk is thunderclapping.
That pressure dome has to be pretty damn strong...
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/2135/thunderclap35hg.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/6572/shockwavethunderclap11a8wh.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/3624/shockwavethunderclap078zz.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/6498/shockwavethunderclap10b3rd.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/9578/shockwavethunderclap125sj.jpg
(Make sure to check the year to those comics...if they are under year 1980...INSTANT PIS!)
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerWhat kind of argument is that???
That pressure dome has to be pretty damn strong...
However, i will not debate with you about the possible strength of Storm's pressure dome, especially since authors always write the feats of superheroes just as strong as they need them to be for their stories.
Btw...since she can dissolve the thunderclap (you didn't questioned my other comments in my last post, so i take it you agree) she doesn't have to create a dome of whatever strength at all.
Originally posted by wannabe
If you mean that the speed of sound in the medium of air (331,6 m/s at 0°C) is faster than the speed of the electric impulses of the human neural system (up to 120 m/s), YOU'R RIGHT!Taking into account that a "thought impulse" has to go for only a few centimeters and the thunderclap for several meters, the "thought" is faster, so YOU'R WRONG!
However, i guess we both know that in a comic the abstract concept of "thought" is considered to be even faster than light, so our scientific bubbling about it, no matter how correct it may be, is IRRELEVANT.
Taking into account that Storm with a pressure dome up does not have to think about dissolving the thunderclap, she can give her respiration all the attention it may need as long as Hulk is thunderclapping.
I'm afraid that in these forums speed of thought is considered to be the real speed of thought...which is not speed of light. I have hard time believing that Storm is capable of concetrating on a thing that is coming to her with 150 meters...per second. It is just beyond human thinking and reaction speed ability. That is why the thunderclap will hit her before she is able to form a thought to dissolve it. Unless she is miles away, which I am assuming that she isn't, since she sees Hulk.
Originally posted by wannabe
What kind of argument is that???
It has to be pretty strong to resist Hulk's thunderclaps.
Which I think it is not strong enough.
You know how long it took her to create the pressure field in the comic? A minute. Maybe more.
But Storm could take out the Hulk if she plays it wise. I am sure she nowadays has some method of vaporizing people.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
That pressure dome has to be pretty damn strong...http://img78.exs.cx/img78/2135/thunderclap35hg.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/6572/shockwavethunderclap11a8wh.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/3624/shockwavethunderclap078zz.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/6498/shockwavethunderclap10b3rd.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/9578/shockwavethunderclap125sj.jpg(Make sure to check the year to those comics...if they are under year 1980...INSTANT PIS!)
Grow up DC youre acting like a spoilt child now just because i criticised your thread. Thats not what i said at all. Grow up.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Grow up DC youre acting like a spoilt child now just because i criticised your thread. Thats not what i said at all. Grow up.
Speculation on your part and mere plot device im afraid. All of your comic book evidence comes from the 60's/early70's when comics were rife with such rubbish and hyperbole. Come up with some recent conclusive sources. Im betting you cant. My handbook entry was published after that in the late 80's when comics were considerably less far fetched.
You are basically saying that my evidence is not valid because it comes from 60's and 70's when "when comics were rife with such rubbish and hyperbole". And automatically deemed them all as inconsistent.
Or doesn't it same apply to Hulk then?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm afraid that in these forums speed of thought is considered to be the real speed of thought...which is not speed of light. I have hard time believing that Storm is capable of concetrating on a thing that is coming to her with 150 meters...per second. It is just beyond human thinking and reaction speed ability. That is why the thunderclap will hit her before she is able to form a thought to dissolve it. Unless she is miles away, which I am assuming that she isn't, since she sees Hulk.
Youre acting as if its a direct race between her thought impulses and the thunderclap. Its not. As wannabe poiinted out thought impulses have centimetres to travel in comparison to the hundreds of feet a thunder clap will. Storm fighting from a distance will have a decent amount of time to act. It will take quite a few seconds for it to reach her and when it does it would be nowhere near as intense. Given her resistance i just dont believe its a good attack. Given the condition of this thread all it will take is a thought to deal with the thunder clap.
Are you forgetting that Storm can create and control thunder claps. She is resistant to the phenomena she can create for one thing. Hulk has no real control over them and their trajectory. He just claps his hands and lets one off in a general direction. From a distance such a thunder clap would be highly ineffective. How are you gonna try and tell thats an effective attack against one who manipulates energy patterns and atmospheric phenomena.Storm is on Kick all of her assets are boosted.
