Hulk Vs. Storm [Deathmatch with a catch]

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You are basically saying that my evidence is not valid because it comes from 60's and 70's when "when comics were rife with such rubbish and hyperbole". And automatically deemed them all as inconsistent.

Or doesn't it same apply to Hulk then?

Given that Hulks powers are potentially unlimited strength feats he pulls off in the 60's are equally feasible now. Namor is a character limited in his abilities. All characters were written differently in the 60's during the 70's comics were written more realistically in comparison. What i was saying was come up with a recent source showing Namor pulling off feats which show he's significantly beyond the handbook stats. You couldnt do that. Case closed. Namor isnt written like that anymore. Even from the dated scans you showed me none of them showed speed feats siginificantly beyond the later handbook entries anyway. The virtually unlimited nature of hulks abilities means he isnt affected by the transition. The Namor talk isnt on topic so i'll leave it at that. Lets move on dont bring this attitude on to another unrelated thread

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre acting as if its a direct race between her thought impulses and the thunderclap. Its not. As wannabe poiinted out thought impulses have centimetres to travel in comparison to the hundreds of feet a thunder clap will. Storm fighting from a distance will have a decent amount of time to act. It will take quite a few seconds for it to reach her and when it does it would be nowhere near as intense. Given her resistance i just dont believe its a good attack. Given the condition of this thread all it will take is a thought to deal with the thunder clap.

Are you forgetting that Storm can create and control thunder claps. She is resistant to the phenomena she can create for one thing. Hulk has no real control over them and their trajectory. He just claps his hands and lets one off in a general direction. From a distance such a thunder clap would be highly ineffective. How are you gonna try and tell thats an effective attack against one who manipulates energy patterns and atmospheric phenomena.Storm is on Kick all of her assets are boosted.

And yes, the kick makes her more powerful. But does it make her 5 times faster? If it does, them maybe then she can avoid the thunderclap.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So...how far is Storm? 150 meters? 250? 350? I think she has troubles of seeing Hulk then. The sound will cross 250 meters in one second. 300 in two. 450 in three. I know she can fight from range, but half a mile is starting to sound ridicolous. You are saying that storm can concetrate and dissipate/redirect sound boom that has near-nuclear porpotions, that has knocked out beings way above Storm in durability and strength, and which is arriving to her in second/s?

And yes, the kick makes her more powerful. But does it make her 5 times faster? If it does, them maybe then she can avoid the thunderclap.

It may have knocked out people with more durability than Storm but none of them had control over that attck like Storm and none of them had resistance to atmospheric phenomena.

Fighting from a range is something Storm can do. Hundreds of feet in the air she'll still be able to see or at least perceive the hulk via the energy patterns found in and around all living things. So its completely feasible.

Hulk has no control over the direction of the thunder clap. Your talking as if its going to be following Storm. Like its a projectile hurled and locked on to her bio signature. Its not focused. Hulk just claps his hands together and the omni directional sound wave is released. Unless Storm is near his vicinity considering her resistance and the fact that she generates them herself all thats going to do is cause an irritating ringing in her ears. It wouldnt take her out.

Both opponents start out 450 yards apart in line of sight (see 1st post).

I seriously doubt the Thunderclap would hurt Storm. It's a sonic attack based on Hulk creating an omnidirectional shockwave by impacting his hands into eachother, and Storm has a high resistance to sonic related phenomona due to her mutation.

Alright then. Thunderclap is not working.

But, Thunderclap works if Storm encases Hulk in tornado. It clears it out completely. Like Hercules did.

1) Since Storms "wind field" is made of... wind.. it's a medium for the thunderclap to pass through. The sound wave will continue through the medium since there are air molecules there for the wave to continue through. The rotation of the wind may cause the wave to wave to change direction to some degree (not sure), but how much? I think the force of Hulk's thunderclap, considering he can make it stronger and stronger, would at some point be enough to keep the wave in a straight enough line to hurt Storm.

2) Since the "air field" is traveling around her equator (I think?) the top and bottom of her should be more exposed right? And since they are fighting on a solid planet with nothing to throw the ground probably reflects sound and pressure pretty well right? I can see the waves coming at her from more than one direction. This might be stretching it.. I dunno.

3) They can continue fighting for years until the radiation from Hulk ends up killing her! 😂

Originally posted by scotsmn
1) Since Storms "wind field" is made of... wind.. it's a medium for the thunderclap to pass through. The sound wave will continue through the medium since there are air molecules there for the wave to continue through. The rotation of the wind may cause the wave to wave to change direction to some degree (not sure), but how much? I think the force of Hulk's thunderclap, considering he can make it stronger and stronger, would at some point be enough to keep the wave in a straight enough line to hurt Storm.

2) Since the "air field" is traveling around her equator (I think?) the top and bottom of her should be more exposed right? And since they are fighting on a solid planet with nothing to throw the ground probably reflects sound and pressure pretty well right? I can see the waves coming at her from more than one direction. This might be stretching it.. I dunno.

3) They can continue fighting for years until the radiation from Hulk ends up killing her! 😂

2) You're talking about something like a ring. . . And you're speculating on the proerties of the material, for all we know like vibranium it could sap all kinetic movement. . .

3) Why would radiation that made tbanner the hulk (as well as other creatures gaining powers) kill Storm?

Originally posted by scotsmn
1) Since Storms "wind field" is made of... wind.. it's a medium for the thunderclap to pass through. The sound wave will continue through the medium since there are air molecules there for the wave to continue through. The rotation of the wind may cause the wave to wave to change direction to some degree (not sure), but how much? I think the force of Hulk's thunderclap, considering he can make it stronger and stronger, would at some point be enough to keep the wave in a straight enough line to hurt Storm.

2) Since the "air field" is traveling around her equator (I think?) the top and bottom of her should be more exposed right? And since they are fighting on a solid planet with nothing to throw the ground probably reflects sound and pressure pretty well right? I can see the waves coming at her from more than one direction. This might be stretching it.. I dunno.

3) They can continue fighting for years until the radiation from Hulk ends up killing her! 😂

Considering the distance they start off from and the fact that Storm could take off and increase the distance twofold in seconds (yet still be able to perceive hulk thanks to her mutation), plus her own resistance to such effects a thunderclap wouldnt be effective. Over such a distance the intensity would taper off rendering it insufficient.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm afraid that in these forums speed of thought is considered to be the real speed of thought...which is not speed of light. I have hard time believing that Storm is capable of concetrating on a thing that is coming to her with 150 meters...per second. It is just beyond human thinking and reaction speed ability. That is why the thunderclap will hit her before she is able to form a thought to dissolve it. Unless she is miles away, which I am assuming that she isn't, since she sees Hulk.

2) You are missing the point that i already proved (in the same post) that even WITH real world science Storms thoughts would be faster than the thunderclap would reach her...not that I think that's relevant.

3) Real world people can dodge bullets and comic characters without super reflexes or special senses can dodge bullets or blasts occasionally when they are in a fight.
Why and under which circumstances?
Because/when they do not react in the moment the bullet or the blast are already on their way, but before that happens.
Seeing the villain raise the weapon, seeing Cyclops look your way and raise his hand to his visor and seeing the Hulk open his arms before clapping are pretty good hints that something is coming your way soon!
That is no guarantee for your dodging to be successful, but it gives you a chance...and in the case of Storm using her THOUGHT CONTROLLED SUPER POWERS to protect herself from an attack that is directly linked to her abilities, well...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The dome has to be pretty strong to resist Hulk's thunderclaps.

Which I think it is not strong enough.

You know how long it took her to create the pressure field in the comic? A minute. Maybe more.

But Storm could take out the Hulk if she plays it wise. I am sure she nowadays has some method of vaporizing people.

2) I already said that she wouldn't need a dome.

3) Your sarcasm is waisted on me...i'm not voting for Sorm to win this fight, as i already pointed out earlier. I just defend her from being unnecessarily downgraded...or upgraded for that matter.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Both opponents start out 450 yards apart in line of sight (see 1st post).

I seriously doubt the Thunderclap would hurt Storm. It's a sonic attack based on Hulk creating an omnidirectional shockwave by impacting his hands into eachother, and Storm has a high resistance to sonic related phenomona due to her mutation.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I highly doubt she's impervious to force based injury.

She doesn't presumably direct the force of her weather phenomena onto her own body. Her durability is normal human durability.

Saying she's immune to force delivered via air, because it's via air, is sorta like saying if I spray her with one of those crowd control hoses she's gonna be able to just stand there because she can control humidity.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She doesn't presumably direct the force of her weather phenomena onto her own body. Her durability is normal human durability.

Saying she's immune to force delivered via air, because it's via air, is sorta like saying if I spray her with one of those crowd control hoses she's gonna be able to just stand there because she can control humidity.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She doesn't presumably direct the force of her weather phenomena onto her own body. Her durability is normal human durability.

Saying she's immune to force delivered via air, because it's via air, is sorta like saying if I spray her with one of those crowd control hoses she's gonna be able to just stand there because she can control humidity.

She generates thunder clasp herself and is unaffected and its stated she is resistant to the effects of her powers and atmospheric conditions.

Either way its clear from the distance and her abilities that a thunderclap will not be the most effective way of taking storm down.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She doesn't presumably direct the force of her weather phenomena onto her own body. Her durability is normal human durability.

Saying she's immune to force delivered via air, because it's via air, is sorta like saying if I spray her with one of those crowd control hoses she's gonna be able to just stand there because she can control humidity.

Whether or not she can disperse a supersonic omnidirectional wavefront before it impacts upon her is questionable. Her reaction speeds aren't superhuman.

Originally posted by wannabe
I myself only know for certain about her resisance against electricity.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Either way its clear from the distance and her abilities that a thunderclap will not be the most effective way of taking storm down.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Whether or not she can disperse a supersonic omnidirectional wavefront before it impacts upon her is questionable. Her reaction speeds aren't superhuman.

Her body is protected from air friction and she can breathe at any speed apparently.

As for this point considering the distance between them and the fact that shes on Kick i doubt the intensity of the thunderclap by the time it reaches her will be enough to take her out anyway , plus she has seconds to act. Its an omnidirectional wave its not focused.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Whether or not she can disperse a supersonic omnidirectional wavefront before it impacts upon her is questionable. Her reaction speeds aren't superhuman.

Btw...doesn't SUPERsonic mean FASTER than the speed of sound?
A thunderclap travels by definition AT the speed of sound.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That and she has a resistance to changes in air temperature by subconsciously altering her own body temperature. This immune to forces when delivered by air thing is news to me.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Her body is protected from air friction and she can breathe at any speed apparently.