Hulk Vs. Storm [Deathmatch with a catch]

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Whether or not she can disperse a supersonic omnidirectional wavefront before it impacts upon her is questionable. Her reaction speeds aren't superhuman.
I already explained above...
"3) Real world people can dodge bullets and comic characters without super reflexes or special senses can dodge bullets or blasts occasionally when they are in a fight.
Why and under which circumstances?
Because/when they do not react in the moment the bullet or the blast are already on their way, but before that happens.
Seeing the villain raise the weapon, seeing Cyclops look your way and raise his hand to his visor and seeing the Hulk open his arms before clapping are pretty good hints that something is coming your way soon!
That is no guarantee for your dodging to be successful, but it gives you a chance...and in the case of Storm using her THOUGHT CONTROLLED SUPER POWERS to protect herself from an attack that is directly linked to her abilities, well..."

Btw...doesn't SUPERsonic mean FASTER than the speed of sound?
A thunderclap travels by definition AT the speed of sound.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That and she has a resistance to changes in air temperature by subconsciously altering her own body temperature. This immune to forces when delivered by air thing is news to me.
Agreed!
The last feat is not confirmed to my knowledge but imaginable.

GalacticStorm Smart Alec Know-It-All
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm assuming that's just paraphrased from the handbook. You're omitting that it doesn't say her body or her physiology, it says her powers over atmosphere i.e. in all likelihood when she flies she must mentally displace the air in front of her as well as propel herself with winds.

But it doesnt say that either. It says due to her powers shes protected from things such as air friction. Due to her powers shes also got a resistance to electricity. As shown in the X-men battle with Alpha Flight when walking around virtually naked and asked isnt she cold, she says i never feel the cold. She never says i make it so i dont feel the cold. Either way we dont know for sure.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Whether or not she can disperse a supersonic omnidirectional wavefront before it impacts upon her is questionable.
There is no reason to indicate that it is omnidirectional. . but your realize that such omnidirectional attacks usually lose energy naturally as they travel over a distence, as in the nature of the omnidirectional force is like an expadnding bubble. in order to cover more area it would have to spread out, as the energy spreads out it gets thinner and doesn't cover any one spot as well. . . Any way aside from that it doesn't seem to be an omnidirectional blast in the first place as it only appears to affect the area directly in front of the hulk. The scan shere he punched a hole in the brick in this maner is a pretty good indication as he only punched a hole in the wall. The building however was still standing.

Even as such the attack would probably funnel out like a cone and we are still faced with the natueral dialation process.

And anyway she wouldn't need to dispearse all of it, just the amount that would hit her as once she disperses the force that would hit her the rest of the force isn't going to track and follow her anyway.

GalacticStorm Smart Alec Know-It-All

Originally posted by Creshosk
There is no reason to indicate that it is omnidirectional. . but your realize that such omnidirectional attacks usually lose energy naturally as they travel over a distence, as in the nature of the omnidirectional force is like an expadnding bubble. in order to cover more area it would have to spread out, as the energy spreads out it gets thinner and doesn't cover any one spot as well. . . Any way aside from that it doesn't seem to be an omnidirectional blast in the first place as it only appears to affect the area directly in front of the hulk. The scan shere he punched a hole in the brick in this maner is a pretty good indication as he only punched a hole in the wall. The building however was still standing.

Even as such the attack would probably funnel out like a cone and we are still faced with the natueral dialation process.

And anyway she wouldn't need to dispearse all of it, just the amount that would hit her as once she disperses the force that would hit her the rest of the force isn't going to track and follow her anyway.

Precisely. From 450 yards away i imagine the amount of force that would reach her wouldnt be anything to worry over. Plus in seconds she can react to counter it or further increase the distance between her and the hulk.

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It says specifically "powers over atmosphere".

Of course she doesn't say "I make it so I don't feel cold" if it's a subconscious process. X-Men Unlimited v1 #01 - Her body overheats in the arctic trying to compensate for the cold.

GalacticStorm Smart Alec Know-It-All

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It says specifically "powers over atmosphere".

Of course she doesn't say "I make it so I don't feel cold" if it's a subconscious process. X-Men Unlimited v1 #01 - Her body overheats in the arctic trying to compensate for the cold.

That scan doesnt suggest to me that its Ororos subconscious manipulation of her weather abilities as opposed to just her body regulating her temperature in accordance with the environment, just as an average humans does. Except Ororos mutation makes this process more efficient.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It says specifically "powers over atmosphere".

Of course she doesn't say "I make it so I don't feel cold" if it's a subconscious process. X-Men Unlimited v1 #01 - Her body overheats in the arctic trying to compensate for the cold.

That's kinda stupid if you think about it. . . The colder the ouside air gets the hotter her body gets. . . and then we ignore that the outside air is cold in the first place. . . She compensates for a teperature extreme, but that doesn't ean that she still not exposed to the cold. . . And then wouldn't it fix itself when in the room temperature room? Or are Xavier and Cycvlops out in air cold enough that Ororo's body would be super heating itself past tolerable levels?

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That scan doesnt suggest to me that its Ororos subconscious manipulation of her weather abilities as opposed to just her body regulating her temperature in accordance with the environment, just as an average humans does. Except Ororos mutation makes this process more efficient.
Umm.. I never said it was subconscious weather manipulation.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That and she has a resistance to changes in air temperature by subconsciously altering her own body temperature.

i.e. her temperature resistances aren't actually increased anatomical durability, so why would her resistances to air friction be? Especially if taking into account her very normal resistance to blunt force injury.

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It says specifically "powers over atmosphere".

Of course she doesn't say "I make it so I don't feel cold" if it's a subconscious process. X-Men Unlimited v1 #01 - Her body overheats in the arctic trying to compensate for the cold.

I know this incident is in a comic, so it can be considered canon.
BUT can't it be that the author got something wrong with her EARLIER stated immunity. As it is described in the posted issue it's not a benign ability at all, not even a compensation, since her body does not adapt to the environmental temp, but seems to OVERcompensate and harm her instead...a pretty useless and silly NATURAL ability this would be, would it not?

Btw... LATER (in an issue during the time the X-Men fought the insane Cerebro) Colossus, Rogue, Gambit and Storm were in the arctic ice-desert and Ororo felt perfectly well.
Peter, Rogue and Storm were even mocking the shivering Gambit for not having powers that would protect him from the cold.

So what should we think now???

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by wannabe
ISo what should we think now???
The author screwed up on the earlier one that Xmarksthespot posted. . .

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Originally posted by Creshosk
The author screwed up on the earlier one that Xmarksthespot posted. . .
... okay because something disagrees with your point - whatever it was - we'll say the author screwed up...

What do you find more plausible? That her body somehow compensates for external temperature change, or that she somehow has increased anatomical durability to temperatures while having absolutely normal anatomical durability to blunt force.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
... okay because something disagrees with your point - whatever it was - we'll say the author screwed up...
No, because the author screwed up, the author screwed up. As I said before the way that dipiction was made was stupid.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What do you find more plausible? That her body somehow compensates for external temperature change, or that she somehow has increased anatomical durability to temperatures while having absolutely normal anatomical durability to blunt force.
Obviously it would be a result of her powers. and mutants are often (but not always) either stated or shown to be immune to their own powers. Cyclops and Jubilee are immune to thier own powers, and so is storm spposed to be. . . Debris is not a natural part of weather so it fits that she's not imune to the wood trying to occupy the same space as her head.

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Originally posted by Creshosk
No, because the author screwed up, the author screwed up. As I said before the way that dipiction was made was stupid.

Obviously it would be a result of her powers. and mutants are often (but not always) either stated or shown to be immune to their own powers. Cyclops and Jubilee are immune to thier own powers, and so is storm spposed to be. . . Debris is not a natural part of weather so it fits that she's not imune to the wood trying to occupy the same space as her head.

Umm... it's not necessarily "stupid" there would likely be threshold external temperatures. If it is a stated method by which her powers may indeed work you can't simply dismiss it as non-canon without providing invalidating evidences. Hulk gains mass from an extradimensional source...I recall this is stated... but that's just stupid....

"Immune to weather." is as much hyperbole as "Namor flies as fast as a meteor."

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How about Hulk gets up to speed and lauches himself full force at her? His jumping speed is incredible considering he can jump 4+ miles at a time. Could she even dodge that? Is her flying speed sufficient to move her out of the way? I don't think her speed enough to avoid him. I also don't think the power of her wind is enough to stop him. By the way, it's a little known fact that hulk can change directions in mid air 🙂

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
... okay because something disagrees with your point - whatever it was - we'll say the author screwed up...
Not at all X!
But didn't you read my post to which creshosk reacted?
The way the effect of her ability is described in your posted issue is against every other comparable situation in which her temp-adaption was necessary and worked!
That doesn't negate the fact that your case IS valid comic history, but it lowers it's credibility nonetheless and it doesn't negate the fact that all the other cases are valid comic history as well.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What do you find more plausible? That her body somehow compensates for external temperature change, or that she somehow has increased anatomical durability to temperatures while having absolutely normal anatomical durability to blunt force.
This is like comparing a vaccinated humans resistance to a flu with his resistance to a baseball bat.

Btw...PLAUSIBLE??? It's about COMIC SUPER POWERS.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Could I know the issue number of the other arctic blizzard incident?

Regardless of whether the incident accurately describes the mechanism by which she has temperature resistance "Immune to weather" is hyperbole. As Xavier asks himself... does she not get wet in rain? Bruised in hail? If she's standing there and a strong gust blows at her she doesn't feel it?

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Umm... it's not necessarily "stupid" there would likely be threshold external temperatures. If it is a stated method by which her powers may indeed work you can't simply dismiss it as non-canon without providing invalidating evidences.
You didn't read the post that I was reacting to obviously.

Yes it is "stupid", it is quite "stupid". This was a one time thing that wasn't done before and hasn't been done since.

Her body compensates for the cold and then we completely disregard what she's compensating for?

That's as bad as the movie "the day after tomorrow" where global warmiong elts the ice caps and thus esses up the jetstream that heats the northen atlantic. . and then we disregard the global warming that caused the problem in the first place to freeze the world?

Yeah. "stupid" fits quite nicely along those same lines even.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hulk gains mass from an extradimensional source...I recall this is stated... but that's just stupid....
In your opinion rather than there being a legitimate reason to call it stupid?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"Immune to weather." is as much hyperbole as "Namor flies as fast as a meteor."
No, its as hyperbole as Cyclops and his brother being immune to each other's powers and Jubilee being immune to her own . . and pretty much any other mutant beiong immune to their own powers. . . oh wait since they ARE I guess it's NOT an exageration. . . go figure.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, its as hyperbole as Cyclops and his brother being immune to each other's powers and Jubilee being immune to her own . . and pretty much any other mutant beiong immune to their own powers. . . oh wait since they ARE I guess it's NOT an exageration. . . go figure.
You've given the example of Cyclops who shunts the force back to it's source point. And Jubilee who I presume is immune to paf energy?

Tell me exactly what is Storm immune to? All weather?

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Coldest recorded surface atmospheric temperature on Earth is around -90 degrees Celsius - Vostok, Antarctica. Hottest surface atmospheric temperature on Earth is around +60 degrees Celsius - Death Valley, California. So attack her with anything between... she'll be fine right?

stormfront13 Senior Member
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
What was the payload of this nuke and how recently? 'Cause I've been seeing you flaunting that nuke thing for nearly as long as you've been on the board.

that'd be impossibe due to teh fact that i have only sort of recently learned all bout the nuke containing thing. i have talked about pressure fields, but not one containing a nuke. she has been doing pressure fields since the 90's.

the thread starter said that storm is at full potential, at full potential, storm is crazy powerful. even now with her power levels, she has never unleashed all she has, and she's still one of the most powerful. and it is believed that storm at full potential is a being made of pure elemental energy, so how would hulk even hurt her? of course it isn't confirmed or anything, and is only speculation.